New Ontario Impaired Laws are another cash grab for the Insurance Folks

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Nice try. I take it you now agree with me take sleep deprivation can be as bad as alcohol impairment. Well done. There's hope for you yet.
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I never said it wasn't. I took issue with you stating that the government treated them different. I have proven you wrong. The government has the law on the books treating them the same. It is people like you, in the public service, that do not take it seriously and actually do something about it.
 
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gerryh said:
I never said it wasn't. I took issue with you stating that the government treated them different.
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Of course the government treats them differently. That's obvious. The only thing you've proven is that I was right. Thanks but I didn't really need your help. My claims are really, self evident.
 
gerryh

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Of course the government treats them differently. That's obvious. The only thing you've proven is that I was right. Thanks but I didn't really need your help. My claims are really, self evident.
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The law is on the books treating it the same. That is the end of the governments involvement. It is now up to the appropriate service to enforce and then prosecute. You seem to be having a problem recognizing who is responsible for what.
 
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gerryh said:
The law is on the books treating it the same. That is the end of the governments involvement. It is now up to the appropriate service to enforce and then prosecute. You seem to be having a problem recognizing who is responsible for what.
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The laws on the books are irrelevant if the aren't enforced. They're clearly treated differently.
 
gerryh

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The laws on the books are irrelevant if the aren't enforced. They're clearly treated differently.
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and the "government" doesn't enforce ANY of the laws they put on the books.

Do try and keep up with who's responsible for what..... it's like blaming the police chief for you being too drunk to put out a fire that you were called to.
 
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gerryh said:
and the "government" doesn't enforce ANY of the laws they put on the books.

Do try and keep up with who's responsible for what..... it's like blaming the police chief for you being too drunk to put out a fire that you were called to.
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Hehehe....
 
gerryh

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Hehehe...You can play all the games you like Gerry, it's clear they are not treated the same. I was right...Of course I knew that
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You STATED that they were treated differently by the government. By the law that was introduced by the government, they are not treated differently.

Moving the line on a forum, is not an easy thing to do since everything you have said is in black and white.


Maybe you should have been a little more careful in who/what you blamed for the mistreatment.
 
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gerryh said:
I haven't said they weren't. Again, I have taken issue with your statements since they have been inaccurate.
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No they werent. Nice try

So, anyway. Now that we edumacated Gerry on that issue, let's get back to the main point. Given that age, alcohol, sleep deprivation and a number of other things can cause impairment, it still comes down to whether or not that level of impairment is a hazard on the road.
As I've said previously, there is no disputing that seniors driving abilities are impaired however, they have a lower accident rate so clearly...and I do mean CLEARLY...there is no simple connection or correlation between impairment and hazard. As the study I read years ago indicated, the hazard level drops as BAC rises to 0.10 then increases significantly. It would be interesting to see some data on shifworkers to see if they are involved in a higher rate of accidents.

In any event, we shouldn't be sanctioning anybody that isn't hurting any other individuals and it appears that is what we are doing with our current drunk driving laws
 
JLM

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Surely to Christ there must be statistics showing the number of accidents caused at each level of impairment, probably from 0.01 right up to 0.30 at least.
 
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If you don't want to fall victim to this Ontario cash grab, then stay the **** sober while driving.
 
TenPenny

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I think this is more reasonable:
First offence: 6 months no licence
Second offence 2 years no licence
Third offence: lifetime ban
Impaired driving causing accident: 2 year no licence
Impaired driving causing death: lifetime ban and five year jail sentence


If caught driving while suspended under any of the above: lifetime ban and 1 year jail sentence.
 
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JLM said:
Surely to Christ there must be statistics showing the number of accidents caused at each level of impairment, probably from 0.01 right up to 0.30 at least.
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I've been trying to find the Australian study that did just that. It seems counterintuitive at first but when you consider how seniors change their driving habits when their abilities become impaired, it really isn't all that surprising.

JamesBondo said:
If you don't want to fall victim to this Ontario cash grab, then stay the **** sober while driving.
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Yes, it is a cash grab but shouldn't it be about safe roads
 
petros

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He has a drinking problem and is worried his feeble world will collapse around him after losing his license.

Bummer.
 
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