Hillary Clinton's lead over Donald Trump in popular vote passes 2.5 million

[JLM]

You have very selective memory. You suggested repeatedly that the only polls worth their salt (ironic choice in words) was the regional ones. Those ones were the ones which were clearly wrong. Based upon how the counts were before CA was counted, Trump had lead in rest of country. CA obviously was a Hillary hotbed and has swung the popular vote.

That is exactly right!

 

[Cannuck]

America is the perfect case for proportional representation.

There is no intelligent case to be made for proportional representation.

 

[pgs]

Pretend you're intelligent.




I don't disagree there, but most polling was done on the popular vote and that can be with any configuration of state support. There are some states where Hilary won and Trump was supposed to.

I just want to make clear that people should not allege general population polls are wrong without all of the facts.

Also, and this is the greater point here, this is just more evidence for why every country needs proportional representation and how we continue to be divided without it.

Sucks when you win and lose at the same time , eh .

 

[mentalfloss]

You can't say you won a game that wasn't played. lol

Stay salty Flossy and stay on message!

Imagine you're not a robot.


Now then:

Anti-Trump forces launch attack on Electoral College

The last-ditch effort to stop Donald Trump is gaining momentum.

Anti-Trump forces are preparing an unprecedented assault on the Electoral College, marked by a wave of lawsuits and an intensive lobbying effort aimed at persuading 37 Republican electors to vote for a candidate other than Donald Trump.

It’s a bracing stress-test for an institution that Alexander Hamilton envisioned as a safeguard against popular whims, and a direct challenge to the role that the Electoral College has evolved to play in picking the president: constitutional rubber stamp.

Behind the overt anti-Trump push is a covert agenda: If the courts establish that individual electors can switch allegiances, supporting candidates other than those who win their states, it would inject so much uncertainty into the process that states may be willing to junk the Electoral College in favor of a popular-vote winner.

“There might well be a clamor to get rid of the Electoral College altogether, a move that would have some disadvantages (like eliminating Hamilton’s safeguard) but many advantages as well,” wrote Laurence Tribe, a constitutional law professor at Harvard University, in an email. “Anyhow, clamor and anger have become par for the course in this loony election year.”

Leaders of the effort, mainly Democrats, have plans to challenge laws in the 29 states that force electors to support their party’s candidate. Those laws have never been tested, leaving some constitutional experts to argue they’re in conflict with the founders’ intention to establish a body that can evaluate the fitness of candidates for office and vote accordingly.

Several sources involved with the legal planning also confirmed that they’re preparing to roll out a coalition of lawyers prepared to defend, pro bono, any electors who vote in opposition to their party’s candidate on Dec. 19, when the Electoral College meets to cast the official vote for president.

Those efforts are parallel to a drive by at least eight Democratic electors in Colorado and Washington state who are lobbying their GOP counterparts to reject their oaths — and in some cases, state law — to oppose Trump when it comes time to cast their votes.

Because Trump won the popular vote in states making up 306 electoral votes, he would be well over the 270-vote majority he needs to become president if all of those electors vote for him. That’s why his detractors are seeking 37 Republican defections — just enough to keep Trump below the threshold, which would send the final decision to the House of Representatives.

The below-the-radar campaign to encourage and organize those so-called faithless electors has largely been ignored by Trump and his team. But if even a handful of Republican electors join their long-shot effort — they already claim to have one firm commitment and have made contact with a slew of others — it would raise alarms by disenfranchising millions of voters and invariably fuel a renewed look at the Electoral College’s place in the modern era.

Anti-Trump forces launch attack on Electoral College - POLITICO

 

[pgs]

Imagine you're not a robot.


Now then:

Anti-Trump forces launch attack on Electoral College

The last-ditch effort to stop Donald Trump is gaining momentum.

Anti-Trump forces are preparing an unprecedented assault on the Electoral College, marked by a wave of lawsuits and an intensive lobbying effort aimed at persuading 37 Republican electors to vote for a candidate other than Donald Trump.

It’s a bracing stress-test for an institution that Alexander Hamilton envisioned as a safeguard against popular whims, and a direct challenge to the role that the Electoral College has evolved to play in picking the president: constitutional rubber stamp.

Behind the overt anti-Trump push is a covert agenda: If the courts establish that individual electors can switch allegiances, supporting candidates other than those who win their states, it would inject so much uncertainty into the process that states may be willing to junk the Electoral College in favor of a popular-vote winner.

“There might well be a clamor to get rid of the Electoral College altogether, a move that would have some disadvantages (like eliminating Hamilton’s safeguard) but many advantages as well,” wrote Laurence Tribe, a constitutional law professor at Harvard University, in an email. “Anyhow, clamor and anger have become par for the course in this loony election year.”

Leaders of the effort, mainly Democrats, have plans to challenge laws in the 29 states that force electors to support their party’s candidate. Those laws have never been tested, leaving some constitutional experts to argue they’re in conflict with the founders’ intention to establish a body that can evaluate the fitness of candidates for office and vote accordingly.

Several sources involved with the legal planning also confirmed that they’re preparing to roll out a coalition of lawyers prepared to defend, pro bono, any electors who vote in opposition to their party’s candidate on Dec. 19, when the Electoral College meets to cast the official vote for president.

Those efforts are parallel to a drive by at least eight Democratic electors in Colorado and Washington state who are lobbying their GOP counterparts to reject their oaths — and in some cases, state law — to oppose Trump when it comes time to cast their votes.

Because Trump won the popular vote in states making up 306 electoral votes, he would be well over the 270-vote majority he needs to become president if all of those electors vote for him. That’s why his detractors are seeking 37 Republican defections — just enough to keep Trump below the threshold, which would send the final decision to the House of Representatives.

The below-the-radar campaign to encourage and organize those so-called faithless electors has largely been ignored by Trump and his team. But if even a handful of Republican electors join their long-shot effort — they already claim to have one firm commitment and have made contact with a slew of others — it would raise alarms by disenfranchising millions of voters and invariably fuel a renewed look at the Electoral College’s place in the modern era.

Anti-Trump forces launch attack on Electoral College - POLITICO

It sure sucks when you win and lose at the same time , eh .

 

[tay]

 

[mentalfloss]

:lol:

 

[mentalfloss]

Word on the street is that Clinton will soon have more votes than Obama and her lead is currently at 2.7 million.

That's gonna be one helluva a failed administration for Trump if that's the case lol

 

[Curious Cdn]

See? Trump was right. The election was rigged.

 

[Danbones]

Election Recount is Hillaryous Failure
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTdqUsCm5Ls
The election 2016 recount launched by desperate liberals still in denial that Hillary Clinton lost is an epic failure and has been canceled in one of the three states Jill Stein wanted to do it in.

Game changer: Wisconsin recount has already uncovered 3 more votes for Hillary (and 5 for Trump)
...And now, after two days of recounting, the big news is … drum roll, please … Hillary Clinton has picked up three votes!
Game changer: Wisconsin recount has already uncovered 3 more votes for Hillary (and 5 for Trump) – twitchy.com

 

[DaSleeper]

 

[Danbones]

Trump Picks Up Dozens of Votes in Wisconsin Recount...
The recount effort underway in Wisconsin is turning out to have some disappointing results for former Green Party nominee Jill Stein and former Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton...

By the end of the fifth day, and after more than 1 million votes were recounted, Trump grew his lead by just over two dozen votes.
Trump Picks Up Dozens of Votes in Wisconsin Recount - Leah Barkoukis

 

[JLM]

Word on the street is that Clinton will soon have more votes than Obama and her lead is currently at 2.7 million.

That's gonna be one helluva a failed administration for Trump if that's the case lol

The thing you don't seem to understand is it doesn't mean anything!

Trump Picks Up Dozens of Votes in Wisconsin Recount...
The recount effort underway in Wisconsin is turning out to have some disappointing results for former Green Party nominee Jill Stein and former Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton...

By the end of the fifth day, and after more than 1 million votes were recounted, Trump grew his lead by just over two dozen votes.
Trump Picks Up Dozens of Votes in Wisconsin Recount - Leah Barkoukis

Typical bitches!

 

[mentalfloss]

Of course it means something.

It means that the current system needs to be reformed so that there is proportional representation.


Obviously.

 

[JLM]

Of course it means something.

It means that the current system needs to be reformed so that there is proportional representation.


Obviously.

What I've been trying to get across is voter representation is only one criteria. Land area is also important, 3 Colleges votes for Alaska which is about 17.5 % of the total area is also very unfair. What does a person have to do to get this across? Use a f**king sledge hammer?

 

[Hoof Hearted]

mentalfloss...

For better or for worse, everyone gets their say on this website. Just be thankful this forum isn't run by the 'popular vote' which you so lovingly endorse. You and Cannuck would have to find another playground.

 

[damngrumpy]

So more people voted for Clinton but Trump will be President interesting for Democracy
I think Trump will destroy himself before the four years is up but the laughingstock of the
world will be America for a long time to come

 

[darkbeaver]

No human would have voted for either candidate so the result is inconsequencial to humanity. The planet has evolved beyond the American problem. Thank the Gods.

 

[MHz]

Since Trump will be in for more than 2 terms the Military ought to just hold a coup and hand him the reigns as his words are being taken that way already.

With the fake news thingy making the news perhaps we need some button that rate the link as F or T.

 

[Danbones]

The Michigan Court of Appeals has ruled that Jill Stein is not an aggrieved candidate and the recount must stop after a hearing today.

...The ruling comes after it was revealed that nearly half of over half of Hillary Clinton’s Detroit votes face disqualification because recount officials have found that the machine vote counts are not matching sealed counts in several areas across the state that voted heavily for Hillary.
Michigan AG: Appeals Court Rules Recount Must Stop | HNN – Higgins News Network