2016 Presidential Campaign

hillary rodham clinton vs donald john trump who will win?

  • hillary rodham clinton

    Votes: 12 40.0%
  • donald john trump

    Votes: 18 60.0%

  • Total voters
    30

Tecumsehsbones

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I would assume that most of the members decided not to waste their time with the preponderance of drivel posted here. Since I am retired, I have lots of time to waste so I stay and glean what I can from the very few posters that are capable of thinking.


There is no use trying to discuss anything with ideologues anyway. Their ideology is too far removed from reality and they are so full of themselves. They cannot offer any logic in their arguments so they invariably resort to personal attacks.
Who needs it?
Ay-yup

Here's a news flash for you. Political Science Teachers don't get a lot of respect. That's because they teach people to be politicians; lying, evasive, conniving scoundrels.
 

Locutus

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just to take the edge off kids...some of the cucks are getting wound-up again...have a chuckle won't you:

The moment when Young Turks realize Trump won over Hillary



 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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1876 - Rutherford B. Hayes was elected, despite losing to Samuel Tilden. I'd love to hear an argument why Tilden would have been a better president. Heck, I'd love to hear from anybody who knows anything about Tilden or Hayes.

Tilden would have run circles around Hayes. I am shocked you would disagree. I have become outraged thinking about it. Where is my paint, time to make a sign and start protesting this grave injustice.
 

Bar Sinister

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Calling trump a clown after all you polsci guys just got creamed by the results of the election, and the fact that you don't get that america stood up to a system that is crooked, and so not even about politics, leads me to recall the old adage
"if you can't do, teach".

Are you teachers responsible for the idiotic butt hurt students running around yelling at buildings?

Are you actually capable of making an intelligent post or do all of your comments deteriorate into mindless insults?

I didn't notice you complaining about the electoral college in 2012 or 2008. I actually think the American system is less flawed than the Canadian one. It gives far more voice to voters in less populated areas than the Canadian one which can be considered a good feature. Raw popular votes keep the campaigning in New York and California.

And I am simply discussing things on a message board. Never have I ever claimed to be a experienced master debater.

If you haven't noticed me complaining about the state of US politics it is only because you have not read all of my posts. But I would be pleased to outline the various flaws in the US system if you can be bothered to read them.

Here's a news flash for you. Political Science Teachers don't get a lot of respect. That's because they teach people to be politicians; lying, evasive, conniving scoundrels.
And here is a news flash for you, dimwit. Political scientist explain how political systems work. They do not tell their students how to vote or how to be politicians. That is up the them. And BTW - morons don't get a lot of respect either - try not to be one.
 

JLM

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There is no use trying to discuss anything with ideologues anyway. Their ideology is too far removed from reality and they are so full of themselves. They cannot offer any logic in their arguments so they invariably resort to personal attacks.
Who needs it?


Not to mention the simple a$$holes, who are only capable of giving "thumbs down" but lack the gumption and sagacity to back it up with any logic. Hang in there D.M. there's still a few posters with a brain!

If you haven't noticed me complaining about the state of US politics it is only because you have not read all of my posts. But I would be pleased to outline the various flaws in the US system if you can be bothered to read them.


I for one would be interested in hearing them - I know there is at least one, the electoral colleges who have the ability to rule contrary to the desire of the electorate but never do.....................so what's the point of them?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Tilden would have run circles around Hayes. I am shocked you would disagree. I have become outraged thinking about it. Where is my paint, time to make a sign and start protesting this grave injustice.
Problem is you're Canadian, so by the time you finished nuancing and amplifying your message, and making sure it was politely phrased, either your sign'd be as big as a skyscraper or the lettering'd be too small to read from more'n five feet away.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Are you actually capable of making an intelligent post or do all of your comments deteriorate into mindless insults?



If you haven't noticed me complaining about the state of US politics it is only because you have not read all of my posts. But I would be pleased to outline the various flaws in the US system if you can be bothered to read them.


And here is a news flash for you, dimwit. Political scientist explain how political systems work. They do not tell their students how to vote or how to be politicians. That is up the them. And BTW - morons don't get a lot of respect either - try not to be one.
Interesting that you answered three people who chose to throw logical fallacies at you, and declined to answer the one actually making an argument.
 

Remington1

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Trump is painfully new to the political scene and he's made it more obvious now with his need to hire Bannon in the face of his already growing adversaries. Yes, he might not care, but maybe he should start caring. As far as having some balance, his son in law, Krushner, a wealthy man is his own right, comes from a family where grandparents were holocaust survivors (I'm sure Bannon must be pretending to like this one !!), and a family who appears to be well entrenched US circles, might just be able to persuade Trump to fulfill his campaign promises, but willing to compromise on some of them.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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If you haven't noticed me complaining about the state of US politics it is only because you have not read all of my posts. But I would be pleased to outline the various flaws in the US system if you can be bothered to read them.

I do not believe it is a perfect system but I would like to hear what you consider to be the flaws in the current system. I would also like to hear your solutions to fix them.
 

JLM

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We sure did!

Clinton Supporters haven't stopped crying.


Well, I don't have a hell of a lot of use for Clinton supporters and even less for the Clintons. They are living fairly high on the hog at everyone else's expense. A couple of hundred years ago in some jurisdictions they'd have been fodder for the guillotine! :) :)
 

Bar Sinister

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Not to mention the simple a$$holes, who are only capable of giving "thumbs down" but lack the gumption and sagacity to back it up with any logic. Hang in there D.M. there's still a few posters with a brain!




I for one would be interested in hearing them - I know there is at least one, the electoral colleges who have the ability to rule contrary to the desire of the electorate but never do.....................so what's the point of them?

Fine - here is a brief outline.

1. The Electoral College - it was never designed to be democratic and it certainly is not.
2. Gerrymandering - The US has the lowest turnover during elections of any democracy (less than 3% in most elections). That means the same politicians get elected again and again. This leads to a government almost completely devoid of new ideas and with no incentive to attend to any of the many problems the US faces. This is all caused by the deliberate distortion of electoral boundaries to insure the re-election of incumbents.
3. Ridiculously high levels of political spending. Incumbents spend so much on getting re-elected that they simply overwhelm any challengers. Again this leads to very low turnover in the US system - as I mentioned less than 3% on average. Compare that to Canada where an election may generate a turnover rate as high as 70%.
4. The two party system. Republicans and Democrats may pretend to be different, but two-party systems tend to pull parties toward one another, resulting in very little actual difference.
5. Election of lower level officials such as Sheriffs, judges, and district attorneys. This leads to a system where those who are supposed to impartially carry out the law are prone to catering to voters instead. This has led to a situation where the US has the highest prisoner population in the world. It also leads to judges and other officials being subject to bribes either in the form of campaign contributions or outright under-the-table payments.

There are probably a number of others, but this is a good start. The problem is that the US system is so inflexible that future reform is highly unlikely without some sort of grass roots revolution.

I do not believe it is a perfect system but I would like to hear what you consider to be the flaws in the current system. I would also like to hear your solutions to fix them.

Check my above post.

Interesting that you answered three people who chose to throw logical fallacies at you, and declined to answer the one actually making an argument.

No idea what you are talking about. Are you saying someone else actually made an intelligent comment?