2016 Presidential Campaign

[Machjo]

The one thing that can hurt Canada the most is Trump's opposition to NAFTA. If the House and the Senate back him on this, Canada had better start looking for new trade partners. It'll hurt our economy big time, but it's better to trade with far off lands than with nobody.

Another piece of goid news is that the UK is now as desperate as Canada is to find a trading partner. Marriage of convenience. Of course it won't benefit us as much as trade with a neighbour with five times the UK's population is better than transatlantic trade with a far off land, but that is still better than nothing.

 

[TenPenny]

Yes, the overall US opposition to trade deals with hurt Canada for sure.


I can't wait for the first international summit where Trump insults everyone.

 

[Machjo]

Yes, the overall US opposition to trade deals with hurt Canada for sure.


I can't wait for the first international summit where Trump insults everyone.

It's time for Canada to build trade relations abroad and fast. It will still hurt Canada but at least moderate the damage.

 

[mentalfloss]

There was a palpable sense of dread this morning as I dropped my daughter off at the bus and had to face some of my neighbours.

All of them very good, thoughtful and kind people from various other countries of origin, just like me.


All of us, now extremely grateful to be together this morning, dropping off our children at the bus.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

It's time for Canada to build trade relations abroad and fast. It will still hurt Canada but at least moderate the damage.

You'll do what you're told. You always have, we just ain't gonna be as polite about it as we were.

 

[Machjo]

You'll do what you're told. You always have, we just ain't gonna be as polite about it as we were.

You're right to a degree. You got us by the balls due to population, geography, and language.

But we could survive without the US if necessary. We could trade with Russia, Greenland, pretty much the whole Arctic region.

Beyond that, Latin America, Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australasia.

The US is still our main partner and so Trump can inflict pain on us, but moderating that pain is still within our power.

There was a palpable sense of dread this morning as I dropped my daughter off at the bus and had to face some of my neighbours.

All of them very good, thoughtful and kind people from various other countries of origin, just like me.


All of us, now extremely grateful to be together this morning, dropping off our children at the bus.

I thought you'd be happy Trump won. He's an an anti-trade protectionist who'll 'put America first.'

There was a palpable sense of dread this morning as I dropped my daughter off at the bus and had to face some of my neighbours.

All of them very good, thoughtful and kind people from various other countries of origin, just like me.


All of us, now extremely grateful to be together this morning, dropping off our children at the bus.

I thought you'd be happy Trump won. He's an an anti-trade protectionist who'll 'put America first.'

 

[DaSleeper]

The main thing about a Trump win is that this morning......Flossie is conspicuous by his absence.....:lol:

 

[Ranolds]

According to Independent - Barack Obama just took down Donald Trump...

 

[Blackleaf]

With his policies on Isil and Russia, Donald Trump will make the world a safer place

Why Donald Trump's victory could be good for the US – and the world

And here's a great reader's comment on telegraph.co.uk:

Alexander Wilkinson

9 Nov 2016 12:58PM

And what a surprise that was! They didn't see it coming; the democrats, pollsters, most world leaders, the press. Surprising indeed because Donald Trump's win blew in on the same wind of inevitability as Brexit.

Was the result, whether Donald or Brexit, foreseeable? Of course it was. History maps out time and again what happens when the establishment lose touch with the people, under any political or Governmental structure. Take your pick from many between Akhenaten, Julius Caesar, King John and the Magna Carta, Richard II and The Peasants Revolt and on and on to the Bolshevik Revolution to the rise of Hitler. The powers that be ignore and oppress people at their peril.

At least the US situation is resolved for now with a decisive vote and presidency that will run its course. Ironically, in Britain, the cradle of modern democracy, there are those who still seek to ignore the people they crave to lead, those who refuse to accept the biggest popular mandate ever, the remain activists, the media and, incredibly, the judiciary who should know better.

Brexit will happen one way or another. If frustrated now it will only rebound bigger and angrier than before. It is inevitable. Why? Because when the status quo or direction of travel becomes so unpopular, it becomes unsustainable and no matter what efforts are expended to maintain 'stability' in following the current course, it will result in only one thing; change. The longer the unsustainable path is adhered to and the more it runs counter to the interests of the people, the greater the force behind the change. With Brexit and Donald, the pressure valve of democracy has allowed change, that while some see as calamitous, is actually relatively gentle compared to what can really happen.

And to the point; The Five Presidents of the EU need to heed the warning. They can kick the can down the road for only so long. If they don't change, change will be forced upon them. The longer they ignore the inevitable, the more fractious and violent the change will be and doesn't Europe have a colourful history in that respect.

Instead of pillorying the UK for making a change, they should take a leaf from the book and look to themselves. Their own actions, the deliberate hoodwinking of populations across Europe as to the intentions of the European Union, stubbornly ignoring the backlash against it and the economic pressure cookers of Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece et al, the unsustainability of their currency and their inability to act in unison on the world stage, all conspire to the inevitability of the fall of the EU.

European leaders should not be worrying themselves about a 'Hard' or disorderly Brexit or harbouring crazy ideas of punishing Britain. They should be considering the changes they need to make themselves to avoid a disorderly collapse of the European Union and a crash into violent conflict.

 

[JLM]

The good news is that a Republican Senate and House of Reps will resist most of Trump's policies. Four years of Republican stalemate.

If in fact Trump's policies should be resisted!

 

[Machjo]

If in fact Trump's policies should be resisted!

For the sake of Canada's economy, we better hope it resists Trump's NAFTA-revision policy.

 

[JLM]

Wow, I for one was wrong, I'm just very happy I don't live in the US. I do have to say that his promise of many things, like the big wall, stopping Muslim from entering the US, change in immigration policies, the huge job growth, NAFTA, jailing of Hillary, and jailing some women for having an abortion, and ISIS - he will bomb the **** out of them soon, plus so much more should make the next few months very interesting for the world watching. I wonder if Putin, Farage and Assange sent their congrats?

Did you watch Trump's victory speech at about 2:30 E.S.T.?

 

[Remington1]

As president he has the authority to scrap NAFTA (with some notice obviously). His proposed 35% tariff imposed on Mexico would need to include all countries because companies outsourced to Mexico for cheap labor will simply move to China for example. Canada would counterattack by increasing their tariff, which is already at a higher rate than the US. Manufacturing jobs coming back to the US needs to be seen, it is possible? I don't see why not and Trump might be the one to take on the fights this would ensue.

No, was gone by then, was it good?

 

[mentalfloss]

I thought you'd be happy Trump won. He's an an anti-trade protectionist who'll 'put America first.'


I thought you'd be happy Trump won. He's an an anti-trade protectionist who'll 'put America first.'

I'm not anti trade.


We've already had this discussion and I had to explain why Trump is an extremist leftist many times.

 

[Machjo]

If this comes down to a trade with the US, I would suggest exploiting Canada's strength. We should impose an export tariff-by-weight. The US does need some Canadian resources, so this would push the cost if Canadian raw-naterial exports to the US way up, push the CAD down, and so allow us to undersell the US in finished products.

But even then, we'd need to build trade relations with other states and it would still hurt Canada. It would just be an effective way to hurt the US too while inflicting minimum pain on Canada.

 

[tay]

For the sake of Canada's economy, we better hope it resists Trump's NAFTA-revision policy.

We will see .......

Article 2205

A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.

NAFTA - Chapter 22

 

[JLM]

No, was gone by then, was it good?

I thought so. We saw the other side of Donald last night, the battle façade was off. Given Hillary's body language during the three debates, I didn't see a lot of surprises.

 

[mentalfloss]

The old bait and switch.

Honestly, we will likely need at least a few days to truly see how the direction of the country changes.

 

[JLM]

The old bait and switch.

Honestly, we will likely need at least a few days to truly see how the direction of the country changes.

The stock markets open in about 20 minutes and methinks there will be a Sh*t kicking! The good news is they will be back in two or three days. The Canadian dollar too!

 

[Remington1]

True, markets will go down, but rebound. Found the speech and yup he certainly did sound much more subdued last night, a new Trump perhaps?