Trudeau draws big Alberta crowd in traditional Conservative riding

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Actually, it does.

I'm a liberal, I'm just not a LIberal.

The party you love so much has debased the term.


Actually, it doesn't.

You're not a liberal, you're a Liberal.

The party you hate so much has based the term.

(I know, you didn't actually say anything either and I was in a fun mood).

Trudeau is. . .


HITLER!

Don't you ever compare Trudeau to Trump again, sir.
 

bobnoorduyn

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The Trudeau Liberals can hardly be considered socialists, just a different, let's say sunnier bobble head who is distracting from the rest of the Liberals agenda, which by the way is much the same as the Harper agenda.......


The Trudeau Liberals are still Liberals, and they are a socialist lot. This is an evolution starting at least from Trudeau Номер Один who was an avowed socialist. Societies tend to drift left as they make more demands on government, the Liberals thrive on that and accelerate it because what it does is grow government and increase government's involvement in everyday life thus empowering them even more.


Chretien succeeded where PET couldn't in criminalizing firearms ownership, (and yes it is criminalized, ask any lawyer who is knowledgeable in the field) which is needed as a measure of control. It is said too that a people cannot truly be free unless they are allowed to own property, a right deliberately left out of the Charter and Constitution which was in the 1960 Bill of Rights, (apparently through a backroom deal to gain Ed Broadbent's support for PET).


Then we had Paul Martin's vehement defense of social programs and spending during his tenure. Now we have JT's promise to spend into deficit in the tens of billions of $$ for who knows what, but includes a probable $1B to Bombardier because they want it.


JT's buddy Ralph Goodale insists that he will allow the RCMP to continue to classify firearms as they see fit, something the Harper Government ruled against. It may sound like small potatoes to some, but all the RCMP have to do is re-classify all firearms as prohibited and they have effectively turned two million folks into criminals or disarmed them. Allowing the police, those who are supposed to serve at the public's pleasure, to make the laws they themselves enforce is a clear road to tyranny.


Society has grown rather accustomed to government's hands on approach to their day to day living through nearly five decades of evolving leftist policies, Conservatives tried to stem the flow, but its pretty hard to move backwards when you have generations no longer able to think for themselves without government guidance. Yes the Conservatives were less than perfect, bad in some cases, (Kim Campbell comes to mind) but Mulroney and Harper did things that angered me and many others too. But the Liberals anger me every day, I wish they would just get out of our faces, but I know they won't.


Sure the Liberals are continuing or maintaining some of Harper's agenda as is suits them. Yes JT is a sunny bobble head, irritating as it may be, kind of the syrup to help make the arsenic the Liberal machine is feeding us taste better.
 

Cannuck

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They've had 5000 out to a PC nomination meeting in Alberta. 1300 for Trudeau is a bit of a slap in the face.

It was a win win all around though. For the Liberals, it was nice to know that Justin can come to Alberta and not get shot. For the Conservatives, they'll be able to point to the ineffectiveness of the Trudeau magic when then walk away with the byelection
 

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They're all statist parties lol
Are you labelling?
This is so none Liberal,
Smarten up!

Trudeau is. . .


HITLER!
FUNNY!LOL!
Who is afraid of the big bad wolf?

The Trudeau Liberals can hardly be considered socialists, just a different, let's say sunnier bobble head who is distracting from the rest of the Liberals agenda, which by the way is much the same as the Harper agenda.......

A union is calling for a review of the impact the temporary foreign worker program has had on the construction industry in Western Canada, saying a federal government report ignored the issue.

The Western Canadian arm of the Labourers’ International Union of North America says a report released last month by a House of Commons committee fell short, and failed even to acknowledge a 123-page submission from the union.

Mark Olsen, the manager of the union’s regional office, said on Monday that concerns include the effect of the temporary foreign worker program on the prevailing wage and how it is enforced.

“Companies should have to pay whatever the going rate is for construction in a given area, because if they’re allowed to advertise at a much lower rate and they’re allowed to pay at a much lower rate, then they won’t have as many Canadians applying, maybe none,” he said in an interview.

“And on top of that, they will be depressing the wage rates of companies that are competing for the same work, and workers that are competing for the same work.”

Mr. Olsen said that in some instances, a Canadian worker could be paid significantly more than a temporary foreign worker for the same task, which is discriminatory.

Tom Sigurdson, executive director of the B.C. and Yukon Territory Building and Construction Trades Council, said his organization supports the union’s call for a separate review.

“Contractors who are trying to beat the system and essentially just have a much lower-paid work force, they ought to be penalized from even operating in Canada,” he said in an interview.

The government committee on the temporary foreign worker program began its review in May and released its report two weeks ago. It recommended, among other things, that the program be amended to make it easier for temporary foreign workers to become permanent residents in Canada. Mr. Olsen said his union supported that recommendation and had called for a pathway to full citizenship.

The committee also recommended the elimination of a rule that ties a foreign worker’s permit to a specific employer based on testimony that this can create a power dynamic that leads to abuse.

A statement on Monday from Employment and Social Development Canada did not address the union’s call for a separate review.

Union calls for review of temporary foreign workers program - The Globe and Mail
Reviews,inquiries,team playing is good!
Contracts,public policies are meant to be reviewed,
this is good partnership

That's pretty funny because the term "conservative" is abused by Liberals as a deliberate tactic to put anyone who disagrees with them in a box.

How's the letter coming



Ralph Klein was a liberal and Flossy hated him and everything he stood for. I don't think he's fooling anybody
There are multiple types of Conservatives,this by design,come to Alberta and I can take you on a walking tour of example get different type of Conservatives.
Regardless by design the Conservatives have made their own box,now it is all theirs,
As I information audited Conservatives they would make me angry ,then I gathered a new approach on how I was going to engage with Conservatives,particularly the confused ones,once I started to engage in new techniques of individualized Conservative assessment,the hope disappeared and auditing became easier,my knowledge flourished.
Big Conservative movement in rural Alberta

BINGO!

I have voted in lot of elections in my sixty years and have known a few Liberal party activists and the whole point of the Liberal Party of Canada ... the only point ... has been to get elected, since Pearson's time anyway.

They are an "elect me" machine with no ideological foundation.
I am a Constitutional lover,a romantic Liberal,does this count for ideological foundations in Liberalism

I think I need to go to the Hat,then again minimal spare time
 

Cannuck

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There are multiple types of Conservatives,this by design,come to Alberta and I can take you on a walking tour of example get different type of Conservatives.
Regardless by design the Conservatives have made their own box,now it is all theirs,
As I information audited Conservatives they would make me angry ,then I gathered a new approach on how I was going to engage with Conservatives,particularly the confused ones,once I started to engage in new techniques of individualized Conservative assessment,the hope disappeared and auditing became easier,my knowledge flourished.
Big Conservative movement in rural Alberta

First off, I live in Alberta. Secondly, are you drunk?
 

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Maybe you haven't been correctly oriented to the different type of Conservatives,don't get me wrong I have extreme right wing friends,nothing negative intended,do you belong to the Conservative movement in Alberta?Good on you!stand for something
 

Cannuck

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Maybe you haven't been correctly oriented to the different type of Conservatives,don't get me wrong I have extreme right wing friends,nothing negative intended,do you belong to the Conservative movement in Alberta?Good on you!stand for something

There is no real meaningful "conservative" movement in Alberta. What there is is an anti-Liberal movement.
 

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There is no real meaningful "conservative" movement in Alberta. What there is is an anti-Liberal movement.
Wrong!
A pro Conservative movement,where you been?

That English is even your second. I'm not pickin' up what you're layin' down. I think you're driving on the shoulder. That chicken ain't layin' eggs.



Sexually speaking? I've tried my best
One hand or two?
 

Cannuck

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Nope. Look at the policies of successive governments over the last 50 years. Big governments, highest levels of program spending in the country and power centralized in Edmonton. Nobody with s smidgeon of objectivity would call Alberta government policy over the past 50 years "conservative". The only reason Albertans vote Conservative is because they hate the Liberal brand. That's understandable, given the Trudeau legacy. It's also why it really wasn't all that surprising that the Dippers got in
 

Cannuck

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Then let's look at rural Alberta. Given that farmers are the worst lot for looking for government handouts when things aren't going their way, it's pretty difficult to claim that they are "conservative". It costs the government far more per capita to provide services in rural areas but try to close a school or some hospital bed and rural folks whine like a vegan at a cattle auction.
 

bobnoorduyn

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Nope. Look at the policies of successive governments over the last 50 years. Big governments, highest levels of program spending in the country and power centralized in Edmonton. Nobody with s smidgeon of objectivity would call Alberta government policy over the past 50 years "conservative". The only reason Albertans vote Conservative is because they hate the Liberal brand. That's understandable, given the Trudeau legacy. It's also why it really wasn't all that surprising that the Dippers got in


It depends on your perspective, Don Getty's PC's were pretty conservative compared to Ontario at the time as were the PC's under Ralph Klein. The PC's in NS under John Hamm were farther left than SK Premier Roy Romanonw's NDP. As a matter of fact when the NDP defeated the PC's in NS I hardly noticed a difference, but I guess they were too far left even for Bluenosers, they only lasted one term. Rachel Notley is well on her way to bringing Alberta down to Nova Scotia's level, but she hasn't got there yet. I've lived with a lot of provincial NDP governments and as bad as some PC's are they are still my first choice (the PC's that is).


You also have to remember, they must call themselves PC's for a reason. I remember as far back as high school, us questioning the branding; how can you be both progressive and conservative at the same time? The term itself is an oxymoron. So you are right that true conservative parties are pretty rare.