Justin Trudeau says abortion rights trump MPs' freedom to vote their conscience

bluebyrd35

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Huh that is silly. The world is round and there is much to prove it, well more or less. ,. I believe it is determined to be rather pear shaped.


However, is no scientific consensus as to when human life begins. It is a matter of philosophic opinion or religious belief. Human life is a continuum---sperm and eggs are also alive, and represent potential human beings, but virtually all sperm and eggs are wasted. Also, two-thirds of human conceptions are spontaneously aborted by nature.


Your religion may say life begins at conception, but I am unaware of a Christian Biblical verse that supports that view.
 

JamesBondo

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All i know is it is rude to go up to a woman and say 'congratulations, i hear you are having a fetus, is it kicking you yet?'.
 

bluebyrd35

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All i know is it is rude to go up to a woman and say 'congratulations, i hear you are having a fetus, is it kicking you yet?'.
Actually it would be rude to say "Congratulations" to any woman on a pregnancy unless you knew for certain it was a planned one. It may not be a wanted pregnancy she may not be married or have a reliable partner, she may have been raped. Perhaps, birth control failed. Or maybe she has religion and it is her 10th, 15th or like one lady I worked with her 22nd!! I completely understood, her children having none or at most 1 child.
 

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Actually it would be rude to say "Congratulations" to any woman on a pregnancy unless you knew for certain it was a planned one. It may not be a wanted pregnancy she may not be married or have a reliable partner, she may have been raped. Perhaps, birth control failed. Or maybe she has religion and it is her 10th, 15th or like one lady I worked with her 22nd!! I completely understood, her children having none or at most 1 child.

I think that one flew over your head.
 

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I think that one flew over your head.
He's crasy of course , the best babies are wild babies. You can't plan babies and expect superlativ
e results, they say yoiu have to start with pure Aryan stock,hard to find now, they say. I am mostly Aryan I guess, I just like to copulate, .
All of my babies so far, are perfect. They all like boobies.
 

bluebyrd35

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I think that one flew over your head.
No it didn't I choose to answer a rather bizarre remark as I would for anyone with a seeming disability..

He's crasy of course , the best babies are wild babies. You can't plan babies and expect superlativ
e results, they say yoiu have to start with pure Aryan stock,hard to find now, they say. I am mostly Aryan I guess, I just like to copulate, .
All of my babies so far, are perfect. They all like boobies.
That last sentence probably is an acceptable state for a fetus to graduate to being classed as a baby.
 

JamesBondo

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This is Trudeau trolling. He knows that if it becomes a national campaign issue it is one that Harper cannot win. Harper won't take the bait, or at least won't like to.

I would like to see that debate.

Trudeau " You are against abortion"

Harper " Nope"

Trudeau " if you ever form a majority government, abortions will be made illegal"

Harper " I have a majority government, and that has not happen"

Trudeau " But it will because you have a hidden agenda "

Harper " Where is this hidden agenda?"

Trudeau " Well, it is hidden"

Harper " Have you seen it?"

Trudea " No, but your actions are loud and clear"

Harper "What actions?"

Trudeau "The ones you won't make"

Harper "hahahaha"

Trudeau "I am the son of a great man, how dare you laugh at me"
 

bluebyrd35

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So is granting rights to the fetus against human rights?
A fetus is a fetus and a live child totally different. You do realize there are spontaneous abortions, what do we do then, stuff the fetus back in!! When science comes up with a method whereby men are able to carry the fetus to term and they step up to the plate and volunteer to do so, they have no say in a women's rights to choose whether they wish to bear a child.
 

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A fetus is a fetus and a live child totally different. You do realize there are spontaneous abortions, what do we do then, stuff the fetus back in!! When science comes up with a method whereby men are able to carry the fetus to term and they step up to the plate and volunteer to do so, they have no say in a women's rights to choose whether they wish to bear a child.
So you are comparing an abortion to a miscarriage ? Wow quite a stretch .
 

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A fetus is a fetus and a live child totally different. You do realize there are spontaneous abortions, what do we do then, stuff the fetus back in!! When science comes up with a method whereby men are able to carry the fetus to term and they step up to the plate and volunteer to do so, they have no say in a women's rights to choose whether they wish to bear a child.

My personal; view is moderate....there should be a time limit.

That is how it is in most of the civilized world.

20 weeks?

22 weeks?

Something like that.

BTW, in the killing of human beings, everyone has a say.
 

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When science comes up with a method whereby men are able to carry the fetus to term and they step up to the plate and volunteer to do so, they have no say in a women's rights to choose whether they wish to bear a child.

Funny that the legal system seems to have some pretty strong ideas on men's (lack of) rights on the issue.... Interesting that you are silent on this
 

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A fetus is a fetus and a live child totally different. You do realize there are spontaneous abortions, what do we do then, stuff the fetus back in!! When science comes up with a method whereby men are able to carry the fetus to term and they step up to the plate and volunteer to do so, they have no say in a women's rights to choose whether they wish to bear a child.


Right, because women should have the right to kill their baby's.
 

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So you are comparing an abortion to a miscarriage ? Wow quite a stretch .
It is exactly the same. It is the sloughing off of a pregnancy. One method has a little help that is the difference!! As I said when men can be made capable of carrying that fetus to full term and then keep it in food, clothing etc until it is adult enough to look after itself, then they may have an input on whether or not a woman chooses to use her body for that purpose.

My personal; view is moderate....there should be a time limit.

That is how it is in most of the civilized world.

20 weeks?

22 weeks?

Something like that.

BTW, in the killing of human beings, everyone has a say.
Yes there should be a time limit with certain exceptions.....ie, woman's life is in danger. There are a few other valid reasons as well.

Funny that the legal system seems to have some pretty strong ideas on men's (lack of) rights on the issue.... Interesting that you are silent on this
That is because even the law, does very little to find missing fathers and forget about child support!! Since I have a niece who's husband did such a disappearing act, I know some men feel no obligation at all. Many years later, he turned up married with a son. Reason for contact?? Needed niece's daughters for babysitting services!! No use relying on laws that are unenforceable.

You should have quit before you got to the end of that sentence! Which parts does a fetus have that a child doesn't?:) :)
If a fetus was able to survive outside of the body of a women, it is a baby. It isn't you see, that is the difference.

Now if your argument is based on religion, it becomes even more interesting The Catholic church says life begins at conception but how do they know?? After all early Christians believed the first breath was the time of ensoulment. And how about ensoulment??? Is that what makes a fetus worthy of saving at all costs??