Especially when the leaders make themselves exempt from change. They'll still have their stacks of green and a house in the country.
Smile! You’ve Got Socialized Healthcare!
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Especially when the leaders make themselves exempt from change. They'll still have their stacks of green and a house in the country.
Illinois said policyholders will be able to purchase alternative coverage before their plans terminate. Though the exact termination date is unclear, policyholders will need to find a new plan by year's end. Ms. Dowling said she will help establish a special enrollment period through the Illinois exchange.
of course, the Republicans can finally come up with their own plan - after all, they have had 7 years to do it but have done nothing
of course, the Republicans can finally come up with their own plan - after all, they have had 7 years to do it but have done nothing
About 5%. Too many controlling S.O.B.s (mostly bureaucraps) have to meddle with sh*t, just so their "stamp" gets on things. If something works and isn't causing problems leave it alone- at least until it's been very closely scrutinized.
As Joe Wilson said, "You lie."
http://duckduckgo.com/?q=republican+alternatives+to+obamacare&t=hb&ia=web
How I lost my fear of Universal Health Care
When I moved to Canada in 2008, I was a die-hard conservative Republican. So when I found out that we were going to be covered by Canada’s Universal Health Care, I was somewhat disgusted. This meant we couldn’t choose our own health coverage, or even opt out if we wanted too. It also meant that abortion was covered by our taxes, something I had always believed was horrible. I believed based on my politics that government mandated health care was a violation of my freedom. -
See more at: How I lost my fear of Universal Health Care
When I moved to Canada in 2008, I was a die-hard conservative Republican. So when I found out that we were going to be covered by Canada’s Universal Health Care, I was somewhat disgusted. This meant we couldn’t choose our own health coverage, or even opt out if we wanted too. It also meant that abortion was covered by our taxes, something I had always believed was horrible. I believed based on my politics that government mandated health care was a violation of my freedom. -
See more at: How I lost my fear of Universal Health Care
The ACA is the Republican plan. Obama adopted it because the Republicans refused to do anything better for the American people. It took a few years but when it first started it was seen as a bit of a success so Obama was urged to adopt it and accept the name Obamacare.
Despite what the misleading title of this thread indicates, it was never considered Socialized Healthcare by anyone in the USA.
Anyone who lives in Canada understands the difference....
The best argument for a single-payer health plan is the recent decision by giant health insurer Aetna to bail out next year from 11 of the 15 states where it sells Obamacare plans.
Aetna’s decision follows similar moves by UnitedHealth Group, the nation’s largest insurer, and Humana, one of the other giants.
All claim they’re not making enough money because too many people with serious health problems are using the Obamacare exchanges, and not enough healthy people are signing up.
The problem isn’t Obamacare per se. It’s in the structure of private markets for health insurance — which creates powerful incentives to avoid sick people and attract healthy ones. Obamacare is just making the structural problem more obvious.
In a nutshell, the more sick people and the fewer healthy people a private for-profit insurer attracts, the less competitive that insurer becomes relative to other insurers that don’t attract as high a percentage of the sick but a higher percentage of the healthy.
Eventually, insurers that take in too many sick and too few healthy people are driven out of business.
Robert Reich
Aetna’s decision follows similar moves by UnitedHealth Group, the nation’s largest insurer, and Humana, one of the other giants.
All claim they’re not making enough money because too many people with serious health problems are using the Obamacare exchanges, and not enough healthy people are signing up.
The problem isn’t Obamacare per se. It’s in the structure of private markets for health insurance — which creates powerful incentives to avoid sick people and attract healthy ones. Obamacare is just making the structural problem more obvious.
In a nutshell, the more sick people and the fewer healthy people a private for-profit insurer attracts, the less competitive that insurer becomes relative to other insurers that don’t attract as high a percentage of the sick but a higher percentage of the healthy.
Eventually, insurers that take in too many sick and too few healthy people are driven out of business.
Robert Reich
VA, the ultimate in socialized medicine.
Awful: Another Veteran Commits Suicide After Reportedly Not Receiving Proper Medical Care - Matt Vespa
Awful: Another Veteran Commits Suicide After Reportedly Not Receiving Proper Medical Care - Matt Vespa
the rate of suicides for veterans has increased since 2001 when your hero traitor Bush was president:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/suicide-rate-among-veterans-has-risen-sharply-since-2001.html
Obamacare has nothing to do with that.
Since VA hospitalization and medical care is paid for by taxpayers are you saying it is socialized medicine and should therefore be eliminated?
Yes I do and anyone who was paying attention at the time would understand as it was no secret .
I recall Progressives dissing Obama for doing so and not adopting a Universal Plan.
It was in response to Hillary's plan in the early 90's. Not everything that is in the ACA is from the GOP but they came up with their own option to which the only way Obama could get what was later called Obamacare was by adopting the main GOP points...
Obama’s original health care agenda prominently featured the idea of a public option. Obama’s public option would be a new government run health care program akin to Medicare, whose cost would be low and overhead even lower. One of the main functions of the public option would be to serve as competition to HMOs and private health insurance companies, having the effect of driving down the cost of insurance across the board. This would have been great.
But Obama abandoned the idea. Why? Precisely because he’s a bipartisan president. Abandoning the public option cost him dearly among his own base, but for Obama, cooperation with the other side in order to get something that would do the job pushed through congress was a higher priority.
So, he developed the Affordable Care Act, all the pillars of which were Republican ideas from the start. This is what bipartisanship looks like.
The unpopular individual mandate, which would later be challenged and upheld by the Supreme Court, was an idea concocted by the right-wing think tank, The Heritage Foundation.
The individual mandate was touted by Republican presidential candidate Bob Dole in the 90s, was implemented by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts and was touted by him as a “model for the nation,” and was praised by Newt Gingrinch from the 90s to as late as 2011, until it came time for him to make his presidential bid. But when Obama adopted the individual mandate, it became anathema to the Republicans. All who once embraced it would come to reject it, including the Heritage Foundation, the very group that invented it in the first place! A Republican, private sector response to universal health care became in the Republican alternate universe “Stalinism,” “socialism,” “the death of freedom” itself. In the world of Republican politics, Obama is the anti-Midas.
oh yes there's more
Obama: The Most Partisan President in U.S. History | Religion at the Margins
Still, Obama sought to remind Republicans that some of the most contentious parts of Obamacare incorporate ideas they once endorsed.
Read more: Obama takes an Obamacare victory lap - POLITICO
Obama care most definitely was (HUMOUROUSLY at the time ) called Romney care in homage to Romney care
like a led zepplin homage...er, what we musicianal type s call a "lift".
some might call it cloned...copied...stolen....
Obamacare vs. Romneycare:
President Obama has said that the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) borrows heavily from similar legislation at the state level (aka Romneycare) implemented in Massachusetts in 2006 and passed by then governor Mitt Romney.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Obamacare_vs_Romneycare
There you have it right from the horses a$$
Well, anyway Obama care, like Romney care, was at the time written by the same insurance lobbyists, so why wouldn't it be the samish?
lol...
But comparing item one to the item two it was borrowed, copied, or stolen from, was decreed inherently RACIST
( actually the critics, when they saw the MASSIVE fail, quit comparing it to Romney care at that point, to distance themselves from the rank smell of flop sweat
Don't leave anyone's health care in the hands of killers and profiteers ( pierats)
please:
doing so is way beyond a lowdown dirty shame
and if accidental, is a sign that the mental illnesses start at a level which might be construed as the opposite of grunt, but which still drags knuckles
If done on purpose:
A firing squad with the same accuracy stats as the rest of the US army:
{US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed )
US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
a nice sloooow lingering death...by ricochets and starvation
See, even when a government runs socialized death care, it sucketh at it big time, and it's way easier to kill then to save
like a led zepplin homage...er, what we musicianal type s call a "lift".
some might call it cloned...copied...stolen....
Obamacare vs. Romneycare:
President Obama has said that the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) borrows heavily from similar legislation at the state level (aka Romneycare) implemented in Massachusetts in 2006 and passed by then governor Mitt Romney.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Obamacare_vs_Romneycare
There you have it right from the horses a$$
Well, anyway Obama care, like Romney care, was at the time written by the same insurance lobbyists, so why wouldn't it be the samish?
lol...
But comparing item one to the item two it was borrowed, copied, or stolen from, was decreed inherently RACIST
( actually the critics, when they saw the MASSIVE fail, quit comparing it to Romney care at that point, to distance themselves from the rank smell of flop sweat
If, for no other reason then the VA worse then doesn't work...
Don't leave anyone's health care in the hands of killers and profiteers ( pierats)
please:
doing so is way beyond a lowdown dirty shame
and if accidental, is a sign that the mental illnesses start at a level which might be construed as the opposite of grunt, but which still drags knuckles
If done on purpose:
A firing squad with the same accuracy stats as the rest of the US army:
{US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed )
US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
a nice sloooow lingering death...by ricochets and starvation
See, even when a government runs socialized death care, it sucketh at it big time, and it's way easier to kill then to save
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I'll just give you my edit button
news to me
lol
like I said before
hehe
smart people don't use spell check
bot do
thanks for showing everyone the wisdom of why
the difference betwen then and then is an "A"...?
news to me
lol
like I said before
hehe
smart people don't use spell check
bot do
thanks for showing everyone the wisdom of why
Yet not one Republican voted for it! Obamacare was made by Democrats 100%. Because it is an absolute failure they are trying to say it was a GOP plan. It was the one piece of legislation that the GOP could not stop during the first two years of the Obama Administration when the Democrats had complete control of Congress.
THEY OWN IT!