Religion is like a boat

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He's a scientist and educator who cares about what's true, and he knows that the only justification for believing any proposition is the evidence for it and the conclusions that can be logically drawn from that evidence. He also knows that because of the influence religion has in the world and the claims it makes about the world that you cannot be indifferent to religion if you care about what's true. That's what motivates him.
 
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It is taboo to blow someone's cover. Maybe you should private message him.
Thanks Cliffy,
I am new to this etiquette of forums.
I guess I was making a statement rather then intentions of blowing anyone's cover,or more so placing anyone in an embarrassing or compromising position.
More so Don is my cousin,
The statement I was so foolish to attempt to project from my subconscious is that certain groups of people share the same presentations,lots of my fellow Canadians sing the same song particularly the songs of cousin Dons of the world,so predictable and so boring.
Verns,Dons etc, they are all the same
Give me a home where big thinkers roam
Thanks Cliffy

He's a scientist and educator who cares about what's true, and he knows that the only justification for believing any proposition is the evidence for it and the conclusions that can be logically drawn from that evidence. He also knows that because of the influence religion has in the world and the claims it makes about the world that you cannot be indifferent to religion if you care about what's true. That's what motivates him.
This gentleman looks a little on the crazy side,like intelligent crazy,crazy eyes?
Atheist or not as my dad would say,"there is something wrong with him"
I bet he is socially impaired and a great conversation partner.
I love these types.
 

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Well of course ISIS is crazy, all that end times stuff from fundamentalist Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, is crazy, but the number of links you can provide in support of your claims is irrelevant.
I don't think so Dex, like I said that is a small number of links and there are many more. That still out does your version that has zero links so you words are your own and carry zero weight as you know nothing about the place.

Anyone can find any number of links in support of pretty much any position at all, there are millions of morons posting all kinds of absurdities and citing each other in support of their nonsense. At least 90% of what's out there is crap, quantity doesn't add up to quality or credibility.
Again you need to backup your theory. How about Putin, is he one of the 'morons'?


How about Obama, think he knows who ISIL is?

Uh... you do know who that is, don't you?
A failed academic who is writing books to make a living off the religious conflict. It is opinion rather than fact.
If you want to promote some of his better talking points, go for it, they aren't hard to debunk.

He's a scientist and educator who cares about what's true, and he knows that the only justification for believing any proposition is the evidence for it and the conclusions that can be logically drawn from that evidence. He also knows that because of the influence religion has in the world and the claims it makes about the world that you cannot be indifferent to religion if you care about what's true. That's what motivates him.
You forgot writer of fiction. lol
Do you even know what his points are in the books?? (in that he is apparently a hero of yours)

BTW, nice to see you replying to the posts.
 

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Do you even know what his points are in the books?? (in that he is apparently a hero of yours)
Yes, I've read all his books, I'm thoroughly familiar with his ideas, and I think he's right about most things, but he's no hero of mine. I respect his intellect and erudition, as I do Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett, Steven Pinker, Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov, Bart Ehrman, Michael Shermer, Victor Stenger, John Allen Paulos, Lawrence Krauss, Ben Goldacre, and many others, those are just names that came to me off the top because I've read stuff of theirs recently, but I have no heroes. Nobody's that good.
 

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You must still have some idea about what his main points were.

Those look like atheist names, is that why they are on the tip of your tongue. Carl Sagan didn't believe in God but he send out gold plated records into space hoping 'aliens' will find it. You are aware that angels in the Bible would qualify as aliens right?

Here is a page to some of his quotes, pick a few of your favourites and I'll show you how weak his argument really is.
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3044365-the-god-delusion
 

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I like alternative views. Not saying I believe this but it is more hopeful than what is being peddled by religion.

There is an increased level of Dark being felt on the planet during this period. It is manifesting as chaos and loss of control with a very manipulative pull into fear. It feels like one has no control at times over what is happening. Things may feel very out of whack for no reason. People are acting hostile and strange. This is a combination of the new moving in with the struggle of the old to hold on to control.
The best thing is to be awake and aware of the interference and hold space in the heart for the new to be born. It is birthing, Now. There is no stopping the heart of Love from its victory.
Time is changing and there is a bleed through of timelines and again a struggle for the negative to rule. Now more than ever, we must give our own dark to the Inner Light to be repurposed. We cannot fight this fight from our own personality. We need the Fullness of our Being to relieve us from the dark that attaches to us and moves through us.
There is a pure Stream of Light and Wisdom finding it's way to those who have an open heart. This Stream is qualified by our intention. When we are in need of help, our Inner Christ can take the burden and guide us through the Labyrinth of confusion and into Divine Truth.
Many are doing the deepest work that has even been done on this planet. Send out love and blessings to those who are working with you and the Unity of the Light will uplift all of us.
Shannon Port



 

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There is an increased level of Dark being felt on the planet during this period. It is manifesting as chaos and loss of control with a very manipulative pull into fear. It feels like one has no control at times over what is happening. Things may feel very out of whack for no reason. People are acting hostile and strange. This is a combination of the new moving in with the struggle of the old to hold on to control.
Repeat after me, the Rothschild bankers have been fuking people over for 500 years or more and they will continue to pull the strings from their hideouts.

Gawd, the ones on Harleys qualify as aliens!
No..
 

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Religions like a boat.......

Boat full of **** :lol:

I like alternative views. Not saying I believe this but it is more hopeful than what is being peddled by religion.

There is an increased level of Dark being felt on the planet during this period. It is manifesting as chaos and loss of control with a very manipulative pull into fear. It feels like one has no control at times over what is happening. Things may feel very out of whack for no reason. People are acting hostile and strange. This is a combination of the new moving in with the struggle of the old to hold on to control.
The best thing is to be awake and aware of the interference and hold space in the heart for the new to be born. It is birthing, Now. There is no stopping the heart of Love from its victory.
Time is changing and there is a bleed through of timelines and again a struggle for the negative to rule. Now more than ever, we must give our own dark to the Inner Light to be repurposed. We cannot fight this fight from our own personality. We need the Fullness of our Being to relieve us from the dark that attaches to us and moves through us.
There is a pure Stream of Light and Wisdom finding it's way to those who have an open heart. This Stream is qualified by our intention. When we are in need of help, our Inner Christ can take the burden and guide us through the Labyrinth of confusion and into Divine Truth.
Many are doing the deepest work that has even been done on this planet. Send out love and blessings to those who are working with you and the Unity of the Light will uplift all of us.
Shannon Port




Alternative views are great, you can pick and chose the ones that most justify your stupidity :lol: That way you never actually have to deal with reality. It's great :lol:
 

Angstrom

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You and reality are hardly ever on the same page.

Because I'm relatively diffrent. ;).

I come from parents that were like Cliffy. :lol: Cherry pick the beliefs you want. You end up with some really mixed up people :lol:

Coming from that backround, I fully understand the pitfalls.

No wonder you think I'm all screwed up :lol:
 

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Then why cherry pick? I've looked at Dawkins quotes and none of them are the 'smoking gun' that Dex is promoting. Don't get me wrong, organized Churches are a cash cow and that is why the boo is misunderstood. They would get zero money in donations if they let it be known that the book promotes that every person ever born will be alive when the new earth starts.
 

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Then why cherry pick? I've looked at Dawkins quotes and none of them are the 'smoking gun' that Dex is promoting. Don't get me wrong, organized Churches are a cash cow and that is why the boo is misunderstood. They would get zero money in donations if they let it be known that the book promotes that every person ever born will be alive when the new earth starts.

**** that!!! My parents let me cherry pick whatever beilifes I wanted and so that's what you get. And I'm not coming back to this **** whole that's for ****ing sure.
 

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You must still have some idea about what his main points were.
I've already said so, I've read all his books and I know exactly what his arguments are.
Here is a page to some of his quotes, pick a few of your favourites and I'll show you how weak his argument really is.
And how do you propose to do that, by citing long passages of scripture in your usual fashion? No thanks, I have no expectation that your refutations of Dawkins will have any real substance or understanding because, as I've said before, I'm convinced that your literalist view of scripture is completely wrong.