Ghomeshi to sign peace bond.

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I just listened to Kathryn Borel's entire statement in response. I think that she should file civil suit ... two of them. One against Ghomeshi for a good, long list of reasons. That one may be a dry well, though, as Ghomeshi probably paid a fortune for the brilliant defence team that he hired. She should launch a serious suit against the CBC for their continuous failure to supply a safe workplace, despite repeated complaints and because Borel had to leave her job there for reasons other than just dismissal.
 
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The establishment always protects its own and here they have done it again
they don't want him gu ilty because society will be judged in having got it wrong
in the public arena.

I don't see how society factors in here, DG. I do see how a Canadian Public Broadcasting system certainly does though. Society did not hire him - the CBC did. Society did not make him a demi-god - the CBC did. Society did not aid and abet his activities - the CBC did. That said, the CBC did not have any influence what-so-ever over the previous trial or this court appearance. There have been countless lawyers address the Ghomeshi proceedings in endless detail and not one disagrees with the decision reached in the trial. So far, the jury is out on why the Crown chose to accept the apology and peace bond put forward by Marie Henein.

I just listened to Kathryn Borel's entire statement in response. I think that she should file civil suit ... two of them. One against Ghomeshi for a good, long list of reasons. That one my be a dry well, though, as Ghomeshi probably paid a fortune for the brilliant defence team that he hired. She should launch a serious suit against the CBC for their continuous failure to supply a safe workplace, despite repeated complaints and because Borel had to leave her job there for reasons other than just dismissal.

Taking on a Crown corporation will require deep, deep pockets CC, and any resolution may be a long time coming.

As for taking on Ghomeshi, that too may be hard to prove as an apology is not an admission of guilt and so far he has not once admitted any guilt what-so-ever.
 

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I don't see how society factors in here, DG. I do see how a Canadian Public Broadcasting system certainly does though. Society did not hire him - the CBC did. Society did not make him a demi-god - the CBC did. Society did not aid and abet his activities - the CBC did. That said, the CBC did not have any influence what-so-ever over the previous trial or this court appearance. There have been countless lawyers address the Ghomeshi proceedings in endless detail and not one disagrees with the decision reached in the trial. So far, the jury is out on why the Crown chose to accept the apology and peace bond put forward by Marie Henein.



Taking on a Crown corporation will require deep, deep pockets CC, and any resolution may be a long time coming.

As for taking on Ghomeshi, that too may be hard to prove as an apology is not an admission of guilt and so far he has not once admitted any guilt what-so-ever.

She has a solid workplace safety case. She could take that one to the human rights tribunal. There are lawyers out there who will gladly work for a cut of the settlement.
 

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The justice system in Canada does not lack for dentition, JLM. It may lack due diligence in that the wits in the first trail should have been vetted much, much more thoroughly. In the end, justice was served.
I think justice was 1/2 served in the first trial- the flaky women got exposed, but the perpetrator got off Scot free!

They just did. This is the end. Unless Ghomeshi breaks any of the rules of the bond in which case he will promptly be sent to jail. Personally I do not see that happening. I never took him for a stupid person just someone who felt he was entitled to run his little kingdom any way he saw fit. In that he got away with it for so long says just as much about the CBC as it does about Jian.


Yep, I'd say C.B.C. aided and abetted Ghomeshi...................at the very least kept one eye closed and looked the other way with the other and although that does NOT absolve Ghomeshi one iota, they should be on the hook for compensation to the abused women. (But absolutely nothing for any of the women who came back for "seconds" and "thirds")
 
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I think justice was 1/2 served in the first trial- the flaky women got exposed, but the perpetrator got off Scot free!

See, I have a problem with this JLM. For Ghomeshi to be a perp, he has to be proven one. He was not. The witnesses lied and colluded. So if he did or if he didn't we may never know as there is no one to tell the truth and back it up.



Yep, I'd say C.B.C. aided and abetted Ghomeshi...................at the very least kept one closed and looked the other way with the other and although that does NOT absolve Ghomeshi one iota, they should be on the hook for compensation to the abused women. (But absolutely nothing for any of the women who came back for "seconds" and "thirds")
This is a different case as it is a workplace incident with at least one witness - don't know where you got that 20 witnesses from as I've not seen that figure anywhere. Which makes the fact that the accuser agreed to a deal that much more puzzling and weakens any case she might be contemplating against her former employer.
 

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See, I have a problem with this JLM. For Ghomeshi to be a perp, he has to be proven one. He was not. The witnesses lied and colluded. So if he did or if he didn't we may never know as there is no one to tell the truth and back it up.


I think you are right if we were speaking and acting in an official capacity where Mr. Ghomeshi's future hinged on what we arrived at. I think for the purpose of this forum (trying to arrive at fairly accurate conclusions that have no effect on Mr. Ghomeshi) after having watched the complainant speak on T.V. this morning we can safely deduct that Ghomeshi is a low life S.O.B. I guess the acid test would be would you be willing to have him alone with you in your house after dark? :) :)
 

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I think you are right if we were speaking and acting in an official capacity where Mr. Ghomeshi's future hinged on what we arrived at. I think for the purpose of this forum (trying to arrive at fairly accurate conclusions that have no effect on Mr. Ghomeshi) after having watched the complainant speak on T.V. this morning we can safely deduct that Ghomeshi is a low life S.O.B. I guess the acid test would be would you be willing to have him alone with you in your house after dark? :) :)

Hypothetically, yeah I would as I do believe that he will be much more circumspect about his sexual preferences. I never listened to or watched him - not my cup of tea. I know many of my friends thought highly of his interview skills and listened to Q regularly.

That he had/has sexual preferences that some in mainstream society find distasteful was fully disclosed in his email. I have no right to judge him on that. Whether or not he disclosed that to any of the women in the first trial we'll probably never know.

I listened to interviews that CTV did with all the witnesses in the trial after it was over. All except for Lucy DeCoutere - who came across as simply flaky - appeared quite credible too up until they tried to explain all their lack of veracity.

Is he someone I would befriend - no. Do I think he is arrogant, self-centered and egotistical - yes. Do I think he will be a threat to other women - after all this publicity? I highly doubt that.
 

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Can he mount a wrongfull dismisal thingy against his former employers? This is a potential cost to the tax paying public that they should already have benn informed by the very same CBC that fukked up Geons life. Hard core Canadian News, CBC squeek
 

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For him to go after the CBC for wrongful dismissal would be decided upon by his lawyer. How much of the original trial would be rehashed by the court and the media? Is it in his best financial interests to do so?

There are several things I noted throughout this trial.

The first has nothing to do with the accusers or the defendant. It amazes me how quickly the Internets gets out this information. The Net has supercharged how we, the great unwashed, interpret the news.

Sympathy, which is found between **** and syphilis in the dictionary, seems to go to whoever releases the story first, and gets the best media coverage. This has nothing to do with guilt or innocence; just good marketing. Twitter, email, forums like this, and other outlets spread stories like wildfire. The truth does not necessarily spread with it.

This is at odds with when the news travelled slower. Stories had to pass through newspaper, radio and television news people before we found out. Was this a good or bad thing? The good was that everyone, most importantly, the news writers themselves, got to consider their writing. They were less likely to point a finger of quilt. Do we have the facts? The bad? sometimes incidents have to be acted on quickly in order to come to a fair or safe resolution.

The second thing is the special interest groups. These days, they leap upon a story like this, and they do not know the facts. They appear on television shows and give their opinions about the matter, and they only know what the viewer knows. Their appearance can stir up hate, confuse or twist facts and generally impede the legal process. They did this years ago too, but satellites and the Internet were not available to spread half truths or ignorance as quickly. For example,

"I'm not saying Ghomeshi did that, but these women should consider his reputation within the industry and get a good lawyer. Maybe some counseling There has been talk that he has done this before, but no legal action was ever taken."

What message is being spread there?

When I hear or read similar statements like the above, I question the media outlet. These shows have to titillate the audience, but if no news is released because the Crown or the defendant's lawyer says nothing, why do they allow this sort of story telling? In the US , they yell, "FOX News!"

Third is that fact that the lawyers from both sides came up with the peace bond idea. It was an agreement the lawyers worked out. Ghomeshi and the women had no say in this. It's legal wrangling.

Fourth was the judge's assessment after the trial. In a nutshell, insufficient evidence and lying by the women involved and some witnesses. That was not Ghomeshi's fault.

Fifth, when you suggest that the legal system is broken because Ghomeshi was not found guilty, please just shake your head. The vast majority of people that say this were not in court to hear the evidence, were not involved in any way with the accused or the women. None are lawyers.

This kind of loose talk is a loop back to my first point about the Internet and instant communication.

I truly hope we get a handle on this Twitter, forum, youtube stuff somehow.

The only thing I do know is there was insufficient evidence to convict him.

Is he a jerk? Dunno, I've never met him. Is he a perv or sex pig? Dunno, he's never hit on me and I'm not in his circle of friends. Why was he silent through most of this? Because his lawyer told him to shut up.

By saying that I agree with the decision makes me a male chauvinist in some people's eyes. I prefer to let the courts do their job. Despite what they say about lawyers, there are some that DO know their way around a courtroom.
 
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I think justice was 1/2 served in the first trial- the flaky women got exposed, but the perpetrator got off Scot free!

They weren't flaky, they perjured themselves. I'm sorry, but this was a cop out on the part of the plaintiff. If you accuse somebody of something in a public arena you should go all the way. The first trial was a joke, the plaintiffs outright lied to the court and now this woman is a hero because she got Ghomeshi to say he's sorry. That apology saved him thousands, possibly tens of thousands in Lawyer fees.

I listen to these women saying, they hope he will be punished, but they aren't willing to go all the way.

This is a mouse fart.
 

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I would suggest that if they were proven to have colluded or lied, they should be punished.
 

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I am not sure, legally speaking, what the presiding judge could do. I suspect not much, but if you read his decision, he was ticked at some of the witnesses. To accuse someone of an illegal act, and then to ensure a conviction, embellish or even lie about facts, is just as bad.
 
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I am not sure, legally speaking, what the presiding judge could do. I suspect not much, but if you read his decision, he was ticked at some of the witnesses. To accuse someone of an illegal act, and then to insure a conviction, embellish or even lie about facts, is just as bad.


It absolutely is, but they get special consideration because our Prime Minister is now a proud feminist. I'm joking of course, but if a judge makes these allegations, the witness who colluded and gave false testimony should be punished.
 

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See, I have a problem with this JLM. For Ghomeshi to be a perp, he has to be proven one. He was not. The witnesses lied and colluded. So if he did or if he didn't we may never know as there is no one to tell the truth and back it up.

JLM has already tried him in his mind and determined his guilt. The rest of the justice system is not really required ya know. It is really strange sometimes who JLM will think innocent and who he thinks is guilty.
 

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Is he someone I would befriend - no. Do I think he is arrogant, self-centered and egotistical - yes. Do I think he will be a threat to other women - after all this publicity? I highly doubt that.


I'm pretty sure he's not even going to think of engaging in any unwanted sexual activity for at least a year. Maybe not for three years. But sooner of later memories fade including his own, so I'd guess once that happens anything is possible. Sort of ties in with a leopard not changing his spots! :)
 

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I'm pretty sure he's not even going to think of engaging in any unwanted sexual activity for at least a year. Maybe not for three years. But sooner of later memories fade including his own, so I'd guess once that happens anything is possible. Sort of ties in with a leopard not changing his spots! :)

I doubt the he will be employable, here. Maybe, he will move down the US, become a shock-jock and someone else's problem.
 

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I doubt the he will be employable, here. Maybe, he will move down the US, become a shock-jock and someone else's problem.


I think he'll be pretty much persona non grata everywhere! Anyway he did it to himself, some people are just too f**King stupid to know when then they have a good thing going.