Keystone pipeline shut down after crude leak in South Dakota

EagleSmack

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Of course. I thought that went without saying.


 

mentalfloss

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The hypocrisy argument only strengthens the fact that there needs to be carbon pricing.
 

Nick Danger

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So we can put more taxpayer $ into general revenue . Who will this help and how will it save the world ?

Isn't the general idea of carbon taxing to get the industrial sector to make the connection between pollution and financial costs? Doesn't there come a point where cleaning up their act is cheaper than paying the carbon tax?
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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Isn't the general idea of carbon taxing to get the industrial sector to make the connection between pollution and financial costs? Doesn't there come a point where cleaning up their act is cheaper than paying the carbon tax?

Whatever the cost, it will be passed on to the consumer so there is no cost to them. There is also no incentive to them to change anything.
 

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Whatever the cost, it will be passed on to the consumer so there is no cost to them. There is also no incentive to them to change anything.
That's not strictly true. Companies can also decide to take the additional cost out of profits, basing the decision on their calculation of what passing on the cost to consumers (i.e., raising prices) will do to sales.
 

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The hypocrisy argument only strengthens the fact that there needs to be carbon pricing.

Agreed.... Eco-crites like Leo should be heavily taxed.

Isn't the general idea of carbon taxing to get the industrial sector to make the connection between pollution and financial costs? Doesn't there come a point where cleaning up their act is cheaper than paying the carbon tax?

Since when is carbon pollution?
 

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Interpret as you like if you're not into reasonable discussion. I don't see much difference between a fast fire and slowly being poisoned by oil in the groundwater from a leaky old pipe - but neither really matter in the pursuit of profit
You're slowly being poisoned by water fluoridation too, but I rarely see anyone get themselves worked up about it.
As for not seeing much difference between a leak and an explosion, well, here's the difference. If there's a leak and it gets into the groundwater, you have some choices, including moving or start buying bottle water in bulk. Yes I know, neither seem particularly appealing.
A several thousand ton bomb gives little warning if/when disaster strikes. It's a lot easier to move on if/when your water has been contaminated than it is when your home has been flattened and everything in it destroyed. Assuming you survive the disaster that is.
 

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The hypocrisy argument only strengthens the fact that there needs to be carbon pricing.

No it only proves carbon pricing is a scam. Carbon is already priced in Canada. It is just called royalties, everything else is just taxes.

That's not strictly true. Companies can also decide to take the additional cost out of profits, basing the decision on their calculation of what passing on the cost to consumers (i.e., raising prices) will do to sales.

It has already been proven that raising the price of fuel does nothing to cut consumption.
 

Jinentonix

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Keep telling yourself that.
He's not wrong. 30 years ago the Brits were paying around $5/gallon. Today they're paying more like $10/gallon. Hasn't cut the traffic down any.
25 years ago, gas was around 25-30 cents/liter in Canada(that's around $1-$1.20/ gallon). At one point in the last couple of years it hit around $5/gallon. Didn't see much reduction in traffic as a result. It's been proven time and time again too. People initially feel the pinch, then as time goes by they adjust to it and it's life as usual, again. To put it another way, the price of gasoline in Canada has increased by about 400% over 25 years and there's more cars and trucks than ever on the roads.