What happened to the disbelievers who died?

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Only Mohammad will be silent on that day.

Every sect has forged many fabrications that God did not say; but only found in distorted books and fabricated words ascribed to prophets and saints or imams.

Once, I attended the Friday prayer in one of Baghdad mosques together with Abu abd-Allah; the orator told some hadiths or words ascribed to Prophet Mohammed; it was like this

"On Judgment Day, people are in a great terror: fearing lest they may go to Hell.

And they saw Noah and cried out to him: Noah you worshiped God and preached his religion for 950 years, so now intercede for out behalf!
Noah replied: Go away, God is so angry today, and I have a sin that I prayed against my people! So go away from me!

Then they saw Abraham, they cried to him in the same way; but he said: Go away from me, God is so angry today.
Then they saw Moses, they said: "God spoke to you, so intercede for our behalf!
But he answered the same answer and refused.
Then they saw Jesus, and asked him in the same way, and he said: Go away from me ..etc.

Then they saw Mohammed: and he said: "Yes, today, my intercession will be granted to me, and so by means of his intercession, Muslims will go to Paradise.

After the end of the prayer, Abu abd-Allah objected to the orator, and said to him: So all Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus do not intercede, and only Mohammed will intercede?

I was beside him, and said: Each prophet will intercede for his nation [ before the coming of the next prophet or messenger.]

Abu abd- Allah agreed and said: Yes, each prophet will intercede for his nation [ who were before the coming of the following prophet or messenger]."

Hour with Ghosts

Now I know that you are primitive barbarians. Human evolution has passed you by, it would seem.

Woe to you when the Barbarians will come on you. You will not be able then to chew your pork.

They become the grains of sand in your desert mind ... and here you are obsessing on them

Pah, it is never according to your choice.
 

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Ron in Regina, I am not wrong.

You are more worthy to think: if what I am telling you according to the Quran and the inspired interpreter of the Quran and the Bible (Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly) is true, what's your outcome then?

So by stirring doubts in others you want to turn the truth of God and the afterlife upside down.

The belief in God prompts the belief in the afterlife.

Such stirring of doubts concerning God and the Next Life was said by the idolaters of Mecca, and God said, in reply to their words:

Quran 67: 29, which means:
{Say, [Mohammed, to the disbelievers]: "It is He the Most Gracious: we have believed in Him [alone, as having no associate nor any son or daughter], and in Him we put [all] our trust [in preaching the religion of the Islam]; then [after your death] you will know which [of us] is in manifest error [: we or you.]}

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
Well the translation according many is the diagnosis of schizophrenia. Anyway, as far as I know none have come back except in dreams to give comfort to the living, oh wait.... there are children born who sometimes remember their previous families and lives. Moreover, many of these came up with stories, information that upon investigation were found to be accurate.

Jesus supposedly stated "In my Father's mansion, there are many rooms" It would be rather marvelous if the whole afterlife scenario begins or manifests, what the soul/entity or person believes upon their demise. Being a decent creator, I would think, after spending some time in the afterlife scenario of their beliefs, they would be introduced to a more logical and moderate solution to evolution of their Spirit.

Since I have no particular belief, I am free to pick and choose. Shouldn't one investigate the very best of what of a Universe Creator could conceive of, rather than choose most repugnant one??
 

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Exactly the same thing that happened to the believers. I think it's time the Bible thumpers forgot all these myths. If they want to start being useless they could start giving money to the poor and quit being a f**king nuisance.
 

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As I said each sect imagine things that were not in fact told to them by God, but only they found it in the distorted books and so they embraced such illusions.

E.g. Jews think (according to their rabbis) that they are the 'Chosen People of God' and God prefers them to other creatures: so they are intelligent, and having more wealth and cunning more than others ... and so in the Next Life they will go to Paradise in heaven and will not be punished in the fire of Hell but only for several days (7 days maximum according to the days in which they worshiped the calf in Siani.)

Christians say that Jesus Christ was crucified and so he suffered for their behalf and that was to redeem them, and so God will admit them to heaven because He loves them as the fathrer loves his children.

Muslims also have such illusion that the 'great intercession' will be given to Prophet Mohammed, who will intercede for them before God and they will enter Paradise and will not suffer the punishment in Hell, save only the idolaters and the disbelievers.
Even some Shia think that Imam Ali will spread out his two arms and lead his lovers: the Shia into Paradise.

While God in the Quran said that the intercession as a whole is up to God alone, and none can intercede unless He allows him to intercede, and the intercessor will not intercede but only for the one whom God allows him to intercede for.

Well the translation according many is the diagnosis of schizophrenia. Anyway, as far as I know none have come back except in dreams to give comfort to the living, oh wait.... there are children born who sometimes remember their previous families and lives. Moreover, many of these came up with stories, information that upon investigation were found to be accurate.

Jesus supposedly stated "In my Father's mansion, there are many rooms" It would be rather marvelous if the whole afterlife scenario begins or manifests, what the soul/entity or person believes upon their demise. Being a decent creator, I would think, after spending some time in the afterlife scenario of their beliefs, they would be introduced to a more logical and moderate solution to evolution of their Spirit.

Since I have no particular belief, I am free to pick and choose. Shouldn't one investigate the very best of what of a Universe Creator could conceive of, rather than choose most repugnant one??

What's all this mixture and confusion: scenario manifesto schizophrenia and reincarnation?
Anyhow, praise be to God that the matter is not up to you, or else everything will be corrupted.

Exactly the same thing that happened to the believers. I think it's time the Bible thumpers forgot all these myths. If they want to start being useless they could start giving money to the poor and quit being a f**king nuisance.

nuisance words .. exactly. :lol:
I am not surprised that God is wrathful against Jews.
 

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Woe to you when the Barbarians will come on you. You will not be able then to chew your pork.


The barbarians have already turned up in the form of Middle Easterners who are stuck in the early Bronze Age and are not fit for the modern world.
 

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Ron in Regina, I am not wrong.

You are more worthy to think: if what I am telling you according to the Quran and the inspired interpreter of the Quran and the Bible (Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly) is true, what's your outcome then?

So by stirring doubts in others you want to turn the truth of God and the afterlife upside down.

The belief in God prompts the belief in the afterlife.

Such stirring of doubts concerning God and the Next Life was said by the idolaters of Mecca, and God said, in reply to their words:

Quran 67: 29, which means:
{Assorted Quotes from the Quran in place of a valid argument
that can stand on its own [: Jews are Evil. We get it.]
}

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.


Selfsame. What makes you or Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly any
more or less right than anybody else? How do you (YOU!, not your
book as interpreted by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, but YOU!
)
justify telling others here that they are Barbarians, or that they are
wrong while only you (& those that think only the same as you) can
possibly be correct?

How can you with a clear conscience tell others here that they are
going to boil in lava and other veiled threats to be dealt out upon
them in an afterlife, because they don't believe exactly as you do,
as interpreted by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly..

How do you, Selfsame, in your own words (not interpreted by
Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly
) justify your pompous arrogance?



I question those who preach without allowing any question or dissent.

You allow no questions without threats of violence in some afterlife
upon those who question what you decide is unquestionable by others.

What on Earth makes your thoughts (someones thoughts, as interpreted
by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly I guess) any more valid or correct than
anybody else here? Can you not think for yourself? Can you not stand upon
your own words (and not the words of someone else as interpreted by
Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly)? Does that go to far from your programming?
 
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JLM

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Exactly the same thing that happened to the believers. I think it's time the Bible thumpers forgot all these myths. If they want to start being useful they could start giving money to the poor and quit being a f**king nuisance.


Fixed it.
 

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Free will and mumbo jumbo and god is going to get me.
I am not worried in the slightest . If you truly believe this
then you are saying god is a bully and need therapy
 

selfsame

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Selfsame. What makes you or Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly any
more or less right than anybody else? How do you (YOU!, not your
book as interpreted by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, but YOU!
)
justify telling others here that they are Barbarians, or that they are
wrong while only you (& those that think only the same as you) can
possibly be correct?

How can you with a clear conscience tell others here that they are
going to boil in lava and other veiled threats to be dealt out upon
them in an afterlife, because they don't believe exactly as you do,
as interpreted by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly..

How do you, Selfsame, in your own words (not interpreted by
Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly
) justify your pompous arrogance?



I question those who preach without allowing any question or dissent.

You allow no questions without threats of violence in some afterlife
upon those who question what you decide is unquestionable by others.

What on Earth makes your thoughts (someones thoughts, as interpreted
by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly I guess) any more valid or correct than
anybody else here? Can you not think for yourself? Can you not stand upon
your own words (and not the words of someone else as interpreted by
Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly)? Does that go to far from your programming?

Ron in Regina, I surprise from you: Who said the word 'barbarian', was it I who said it first, or I said it only in reply to the one who said to me: Barbarian?
So this is the best explanation of your bias: in stead of telling that one who started telling me such word, you came to tell me: that I accused everyone here as barbarian.

Moreover, see your words: you insist that I should not tell others the words of Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly; why is that? Why should I not tell the words of the interpreter and I believe in such words? See your cunning!? You try by such way to strip me from my belief to say my own words and such words should be different from the words of the interpreter!
While the interpreter himself did not speak of his own accord, but what he heard from the angel he told others about it.
 

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Free will and mumbo jumbo and god is going to get me.
I am not worried in the slightest . If you truly believe this
then you are saying god is a bully and need therapy

You are not worried, but I am worried, and you don't fear, but I dread God and hope for His mercy and forgiveness.
 

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You are not worried, but I am worried, and you don't fear, but I dread God and hope for His mercy and forgiveness.
How is it to carry that tremendous load on your back your whole life? Tote that barge lift that bail Selfslime and when you're done there get your a$$ movin over here and shine me shoes. :).
 

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Get to work you don't measure up and you need to improve immeasurably to qualify by gawd now move it, move it, MOVE It!

And you best be dreading you made way too many mistakes in this life and all you deserve are the fires of an eternal lake of flames!
 

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The title of this thread is: What happened to the disbelievers who died?
So I continue to tell others who want to know, and I pay no attention to those shouting: only to stop or distract me from the original topic.

This is about the disbelievers in Doomsday, while they are about to enter Hell and after they enter into it:

Quran 37: 19-21, which mean:
[Then God – be glorified – explained that it is not as do they imagine of resurrecting the dead bodies and bringing them back to life again; but souls are everlasting and do not die, so when the angel of death will shout at them with one shout, they will get out of their bodies and will be by Our capture; therefore, this is the ‘sending forth’: it is the getting of souls out of bodies, so they will be sent to the Barzakh world [or the Afterlife]. This is indicated by His saying – be glorified – in this aya:]

19. It will only be one ‘compelling cry’ a [of the angel of death]; and behold, they will be waiting [for the judgment and punishment!] b

20. And they [will] say c: "Woe to us! This is the Day of Judgment. d "

21. [Then the angels will say to them:] "This is the Day of Decision e that you denied [in the life of the World.]”
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a The ‘compelling cry’ is that of the angel of death, as told in His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 6: 93, which means:
("Get your souls out [of your bodies]; today you shall be recompensed with the chastisement of humiliation; for that you said [lies] against God [and words] other than the truth, and that you were arrogantly proud over [believing in] His signs [of revelation.])

b Similar to this aya is His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 79: 13-14, which means:
(But surely, it will be but a single [compelling] cry; when they will immediately be in the sleepless [world.])
This means: With one ‘compelling cry’ of the angel of death, they will go from their bodies to a world in which they will keep vigil and will not sleep afterwards; because souls do not sleep.

c When they see the angels of death, and see the souls around them.

d i.e. the day of accounting and punishment in which we resign to the Lord of the worlds.

e In which it will be judged between believers and disbelievers.

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Quran 37: 22-25, which mean:
[Then God – be glorified – will say to the angels:]

22. "Gather those f who wronged [their people g] together with their wives [: the associaters] and [the devils] that they served [in the Barzakh world h],"

23. "apart from God, and direct them to the path of Hell." i

24. "And stop them; for they are to be questioned [concerning their followers.]"j

25. [It will be said to them in rebuke:] "What ails you that [now] you help not one another k [to avert the chastisement!?]"
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f They are the chiefs and the leaders of the religions of falsehood.

g With deception, and who ordered them to worship the idols and barred them from worshipping the Most Gracious.

h i.e. the Afterlife.

i Know then that the punishment in the Fire is two kinds:
The first is in volcanoes, in the world of the Barzakh, i.e. the Afterlife following death.
While the second will be on Doomsday in the fire of Saqar, which is the sun that will attract our present sun after it is cut up into nineteen pieces.
As in His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 74: 27-30 that means:
(But can you imagine what Saqar is!?
It does not leave [anyone]; it does not spare [anything.]
It is [nowadays] looming to mankind.
Imposed upon it [the attraction of] nineteen [planets.]
)

As such when the sun tears up, it will be planets which will also have volcanoes, and such volcanoes will be the place of chastising the disbelievers and associaters.

j I say: This is not exclusively special for the past religious leaders, but it includes most of the contemporary religious scholars of our time, to whom God gave knowledge in their religion, authority on their followers and influence of their words.

And they see their followers associate with God, plunge in the darkness of ignorance and proclaim the disbelief, while the ‘ulama’ or religious scholars are silent about them: do not guide them to the correct way and do not forbid them from their disbelief and association, because they fear that their leadership and wealth may be lost, but they do not consider about their Next Life, neither do they hope for the reward of God.
If you say to one of them: “Why don’t you proclaim and expose the truth?” he will answer you: “I don’t do anything of that, or else people will hate me; and in fact I am not to be blamed for this, but the sin is of the one who invented such innovation and walked according to this program.”
So with such excuse, he thinks that he will be saved of God’s punishment, and he will not be taken to account about that.
I say: No, at all; the ‘ulama’ or religious scholars are responsible and will be questioned and the leaders will be detained.
For God – be glorified – said in the Quran 16: 25, which means:
(So let them bear in full the burden [of their sins] on the Judgment Day, in addition to some of the burden of those whom they lead astray [away from the truth] without knowing [about the consequence] – how evil a burden will they bear!?)

k As you used to do in the life of the World.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.

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Quran 37: 26, which means:
[Then God – be glorified – said:]
26. No, indeed; but today they resign themselves in submission [to the doom l.]
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l And they cannot defend themselves or others.

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Quran 37: 27-33, which mean:
27. And they [will] come together asking each other. a

28. [The followers will] say [to the leaders]: "You came to us [with deception, and promising us] with prosperity." b

29. [The leaders will] say [to their followers]: "But you in fact were not believers [even before we spoke to you.]"

30. We had no authority over you c; no, you were an arrogant people."

31. So the word of our Lord [to punish us] has now been fulfilled against us; and surely we are about to suffer [the torment.]"

32. "Therefore, we perverted you, for we [ourselves] were perverters [for the purpose of leadership and wealth.]"

33. Truly, that day, they will [all: the leaders and their followers] share in the doom.
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a It means: The followers will come to their chiefs and leaders asking and blaming them.

b And for this reason, we yielded to you and followed your program.

c Or compelling force with which to prevent you from believing in the messengers.

So the leaders will keep up on their denial until they altogether will enter the Fire, and then they will admit their fault, because the denial will then be useless, so they will say: “… you were an arrogant people…"

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Quran 37: 34, which means:
34. As such shall We deal [in the future] with the guilty [among your nation, O Mohammed.]

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.