Trudeau says pipelines will pay for Canada's transition to a green economy

petros

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He's mostly just playing devil's advocate.

Nooooooo. He is playing with you. You are a toy that gets played with until boredom sets in and someone else pull you off the shelf.

Most of the time you just jump off the shelf or crawl out of the toybox all by yourself.

If he gets the pipelines in I'll vote for him for the next three elections. Anything in the way of expansion for the fossil fuel industry is just going to get harder and harder as time goes on.

It will only get easier.
 

Nick Danger

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It will only get easier.

Times are changing. There is a growing segment of society, a voting segment of society that would just as soon see the fossil fuel industry die a quiet death. The right or wrong of that position takes second place to the fact that they are a political force to be reckoned with. Prime Minister Trudeau knows this as clearly as he knows the urgency of the economic need to get these pipelines through. A politician's world is one of compromise and media spin, he's looking for a way to get the oil to market without alienating the green folk.
 

MHz

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The only market available for Canadian oil/ng is other Canadians, in this case Canadians in the east who are shelling out money to Saudi for oil that could be piped from the Prairies, in good times and bad. That is not an option with imported oil from Saudi.
 

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Trudeau says pipelines will pay for Canada's transition to a green economy

Steadfast in his commitment to getting Canadian oil to market, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said putting pipelines in the ground will pay for the country's transition to a greener future.

Opening the Globe 2016 Leadership Summit in Vancouver on Wednesday — which deals with tackling climate change and sustainability in business — the Liberal leader dodged questions about whether building controversial energy projects like the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain expansion and Energy East pipeline would directly contravene his commitment at COP21 in Paris to keep global warming below two degrees this century.

“We want the low-carbon economy that continues to provide good jobs and great opportunities for all Canadians," he told a crowd of hundreds of business, civil society, and science innovators.

"To get there, we need to make smart strategic investments in clean growth and new infrastructure, but we must also continue to generate wealth from our abundant natural resources to fund this transition to a low-carbon economy.”

The answer however, wasn't enough for Discovery Planet's Daily Planet host Ziya Tong, who had the privilege of grilling him on stage before conference participants. Given the 28,666 oil pipeline leaks that have occurred in the last 37 years, she asked him how he could even consider projects like Energy East while trying to move towards a clean, green future:

“We have hundreds and hundreds of pipelines across this country carrying all sorts of different things," he answered, "and we need to make sure that we’re getting the reassurance of communities, Indigenous people, environmentalists and scientists that we’re doing it responsibly.

"It’s what Canadians expect of their government and industries, and that’s what we’re going to be working very hard to deliver.”

Trudeau says pipelines will pay for Canada's transition to a green economy | National Observer

Laugh out loud

Trudeau could sell snow to a esquimo.

He's pitching a pipe line to the eco idiots. laugh out loud

Quite the used car sales man we got as pm.
 

Nick Danger

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The only market available for Canadian oil/ng is other Canadians...

Existing pipelines to the west coast and into the US are running at capacity now, if we could move more it would sell too. The low prices mean we have to move more oil to stay profitable, either through new pipelines or by upgrading existing routes. CNRL, one of the bigger producers in the oilsands, said just a few days ago their breakeven point is around $28/barrel, which puts them in a fairly decent spot, good enough that they are continuing with plant upgrades worth billions this year. But all that doesn't help if their crude is going to sit in a holding tank somewhere waiting for their turn at the pipe.
 

MHz

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Trudeau could sell snow to a esquimo.
We want somebody with that talent to be holding the reins, we also want somebody who knows how restrain that sort of authority so it helps rather than hinders the situation. Selling Eskimo sea ice to Mexico is what he should be chasing (via oil tankers that are sitting idle)
 

Nick Danger

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The only market available for Canadian oil/ng is other Canadians...

Existing pipelines to the west coast and into the US are running at capacity now. The low prices mean we have to move more oil to stay profitable, either through new pipelines or by upgrading existing routes. CNRL, one of the bigger producers in the oilsands, said their breakeven point is around $28/barrel, which puts them in a fairly decent spot, good enough that they are continuing with plant upgrades worth billions this year. But all that doesn't help if their crude is going to sit in a holding tank somewhere waiting for their turn at the pipe.
 

mentalfloss

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People who voted Trudeau for environmental reasons are going to elect him for a pipeline?

Are they the same ones who voted because of legal weed too?

Did you see his numbers going down after they announced the pipeline review?

They didn't.

And by all means, keep playing with me.

I like it.
 

MHz

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. . . if we could move more it would sell too. The low prices mean we have to move more oil to stay profitable, either through new pipelines or by upgrading existing routes.
How many of the lines are going to reach and 'end of life' sticker before the east is not reliant on imports, imports that are subject to many outside influences. 2 new high capacity lines for crude and ng that go hand in hand with a new heavy rail line

CNRL, one of the bigger producers in the oilsands, said just a few days ago their breakeven point is around $28/barrel, which puts them in a fairly decent spot, good enough that they are continuing with plant upgrades worth billions this year.
That is the most expensive product on the available shopping list. Local products also go down to $8/bbl so that would be the product to be using and selling inside the country. There are no international markets for any products we have that does not have a cheaper foreign source already. By going after the local market we save the country several $B that can be spent on other useful projects

But all that doesn't help if their crude is going to sit in a holding tank somewhere waiting for their turn at the pipe.
How much are the shipping fees for that oil from Saudi? That alone would pay for the lines at no increased expense to the taxpayer and at some point a savings would kick in for as long as the lines last.
When the oil part slows down the research and development in other areas should begin if there is a desire to keep most of the population doing something. We need 'robots' to solve the 'labor problems'





Are they the same ones who voted because of legal weed too?
Hemp has been legal for a few decades, why has there been very little do in the R&D part of that fledgling industry? (when projected profits exceeds that of the oil industry?)

Since it conditions the soil Sask would still be shutting down the pot-ash plants, perhaps that is why.
 

petros

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Did you see his numbers going down after they announced the pipeline review?

They didn't.

And by all means, keep playing with me.

I like it.

And that is supposed to mean what?

No carbon tax, no budget balancing itself. Who knew Wall wasn't alone in saying it's a stupid idea.

Now how will the budget balance itself?

You like being made fun of and called a SpEd?
 

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This guy is so incompetent. If he used his fathers economic nationalism as a model he'd realize that shipping unprocessed oil to foreign refineries ships jobs and tax revenues off shore as well... and colonializes the economy. But he's such an airhead.. a chip off the old flowerchild, tree hugger Maggie.. that he'd much rather go tip toeing through the tulips (and the pansies) than govern the country.
 
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This guy is so incompetent. If he used his fathers economic nationalism as a model he'd realize that shipping unprocessed oil to foreign refineries ships jobs and tax revenues off shore as well... and colonializes the economy. But he's such airhead.. a chip off the old flowerchild, tree hugger Maggie.. that he'd much rather go tip toeing through the tulips than govern the country.


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Mowich

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Oh, well, if they're creating a committee, everything's sure to be OK!

Yessirree, Bob, nothing like a committee to guarantee peace, freedom, prosperity, and sunny weather!

Go, committee!

"A committee is the only form of life in the universe with three or more bellies and no brain."
--Robert Heinlein

The Liberals are all about committees, Tec...........they love them, couldn't live without them. It's their way of saying 'see we're doing something' even if they absolutely are not.

This guy is so incompetent. If he used his fathers economic nationalism as a model he'd realize that shipping unprocessed oil to foreign refineries ships jobs and tax revenues off shore as well... and colonializes the economy. But he's such an airhead.. a chip off the old flowerchild, tree hugger Maggie.. that he'd much rather go tip toeing through the tulips (and the pansies) than govern the country.

You Rock, Coldstream. Hit the nail right on the head, you did.
 

petros

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Times are changing. There is a growing segment of society, a voting segment of society that would just as soon see the fossil fuel industry die a quiet death. The right or wrong of that position takes second place to the fact that they are a political force to be reckoned with. Prime Minister Trudeau knows this as clearly as he knows the urgency of the economic need to get these pipelines through. A politician's world is one of compromise and media spin, he's looking for a way to get the oil to market without alienating the green folk.

It's like going swimming. It only takes one to say the water is fine then the rest jump in.
 

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Hemp has been legal for a few decades, why has there been very little do in the R&D part of that fledgling industry? (when projected profits exceeds that of the oil industry?)

Since it conditions the soil Sask would still be shutting down the pot-ash plants, perhaps that is why.

I was looking into hemp last year, it looks very good, it makes real good fuel pellets. Real good return on an acre. What a fukkin stupid country we are. This stuff should be everywhere. You can build houses with it and eat it and run combustion engines and medicine. It's bee a crime against humanity to have banned the plant. The cost to civilization must be huge.
 

Kreskin

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He better build pipelines because, if he doesn't, down the road Canada will end up with its own version of Donald Trump. Canadians will have had enough of the goodie-two-shoes routine.