Proof That a Price on Carbon Works

EagleSmack

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It's ironic, I have used up 1/2 a jerry can of gas removing global warming from my driveway.

... Carbon taxes haven't seemed to help

As long as there is a carbon tax on it they have very little care what you use it for or how much you use. Just feed the gravy train.

"As a British Columbian I would like to see more details of the Duke University study cited. The consensus here has been that the carbon tax has not been a disincentive. Rather, it has been just another tax you pay at the pump".
 

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As long as there is a carbon tax on it they have very little care what you use it for or how much you use. Just feed the gravy train.

"As a British Columbian I would like to see more details of the Duke University study cited. The consensus here has been that the carbon tax has not been a disincentive. Rather, it has been just another tax you pay at the pump".

Yup, like you have asked all along: 'How many bank transfers will it take to stop global warming?'
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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How has this been measured? Is the air in BC somehow special? Given that Canada as a whole contributes next to nothing to global CO2 content, you would assume BC before would be 1/10 of next to nothing nothing and the savings would be even smaller. I would contend that any difference is not without measurement sampling error ranges.

I have no doubt it looks great on the balance sheet. No wonder the incompetent premier of Ontario wants to follow suit.
 

Machjo

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Hong Kong has a 100% carbon tax and its economy was quite healthy last I'd visited.

Of course the catch is, are we willing to lower other taxes to conpensate?
 
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IdRatherBeSkiing

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Hong Kong has a 100% carbon tax and it's economy was quite healthy last I'd visited.

Of course the catch is, are we willing to lower other taxes to conpensate?

Stephan Dion's plan a couple of years ago was allegedly balanced and purported to be revenue neutral. He lowered income tax to balance the carbon tax. The latest batch of libtards have dropped the second part and are just viewing it as a tax grab.
 

Machjo

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Stephan Dion's plan a couple of years ago was allegedly balanced and purported to be revenue neutral. He lowered income tax to balance the carbon tax. The latest batch of libtards have dropped the second part and are just viewing it as a tax grab.

The Green Party's proposal was revenue-neutral too, which might explain why so many New Democrats vilify it.

A carbon tax is actually a very conservative idea when we consider how user-pay and potentially regressive a tax it is.

It actually surprises me sometimes that its fiercest proponents are usually left-leaning and its fiercest antagonists right-leaning.
 

EagleSmack

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And all of the ecotards are screaming for another gas tax now that oil and gas are inexpensive. Of course when prices shoot back up the tax will naturally stay in place.
 

Machjo

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BC is proof that carbon taxes do not work. It is an unfair burden to anyone living outside the large population centers and is not revenue neutral as claimed.

How is it not fair? Given that rural it's use the roads much more than urbanites do, should they not also pay more for those roads?

Now you might say that rural it's use those roads to bring food and resources into the cities. Fine, pass the cost on then so that urbanites can see the real cost in terms of road maintenance to bring food to the cities.

This would incite rural it's to grow food closer to the cities and urbanites to buy food that is grown more locally.

Living hundreds of miles from everyone else is a choice, and the rest of us who choose to depend less on roads should pay less. That's how an economic conservative would think, anyway.

And all of the ecotards are screaming for another gas tax now that oil and gas are inexpensive. Of course when prices shoot back up the tax will naturally stay in place.

Then you scrap the GST and income taxes. The Government has lowered taxes in the past and continues to enjoy the power to do so today.
 

Machjo

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Perhaps we should learn from a truly free-market economy like Hong Kong's.

I doubt even many CPC candidates would go for such a user-pay tax system.

So when do we start leveling the suburbs for farm land?

We let the market decide that. That's why it's called a free market. If suburbanites want to maintain the suburbs, then they'll just have to pay for them themselves. Why should urbanites and rural it's subsidize suburbanites?