You only see it as muddying because my comments contradict your agenda. I've seen it before. Carry on as they say
Okay, yeah, my agenda.:lol:
You are a first class wimp when it comes to debate.
You only see it as muddying because my comments contradict your agenda. I've seen it before. Carry on as they say
Okay, yeah, my agenda.:lol: ...
I don't remember saying that it was. I'm just saying that anyone that tries to say that the rise in homeless veterans has nothing to do with being a vet and everything to do with mental health and addiction is out of touch.
I have two Afghan veterans in my family, know at least a a few hundred from my military family and by extension have seen the effects of PSTD brought on by the war and not just Afghanistan, but the Balkan war as well. (Cough cough, I mean Peacekeeping).
It's is a huge contributing factor, but some like to lump it in with the present state of homelessness to muddy the waters.
Somebody gets blown up, sees their best friend die, is witness to atrocities and rather than treatment and support VAC cuts them a check and says, "See ya." Certainly it raises the possibility of that individual falling between the cracks.
Civilian mental health facilities can't take care of the civilian demographic, so who would expect them to understand veterans issues?
And yes, you don't have to see combat to suffer from mental health issues. I was a peacetime veteran and when I left the military on a medical discharge there was essentially no place on civilian street for me to seek help for the deep depression I suffered for over a year. Thankfully, my military insurance program, not VAC, had a descent counselor who got me some help from a retired military psychologist who was able to help me make the transition.
That psychologist coincidentally was at the forefront of getting PTSD recognized after the Balkans.
I thought there was an issue until I reread it and saw the word "hypothetical".
As some others have said, the Housing First idea has been a raging success everywhere it has been tried, improving delivery of services, improving outcomes for the homeless of all types, and reducing the cost of providing social services by at least half, and usually much more.Having worked, at one time, with individuals with mental health issues, what often happens is when they get the help they need (i.e. on medications, counselling as needed), often times they don't like the way the medication makes them feel so they go off their meds and then, of course, the symptom(s) of their illness return(s). It's can be a vicious circle. Trying different medications so that they don't make them feel like listless zombies is time consuming and likely takes some time and patience. Unless the person completely understands their illness and is firm in their commitment to keep trying different medications until they get the right one, the cycle keeps happening. Some of those drugs are pretty powerful. I sometimes wonder If the drugs cause (or result) of some individuals committing suicide. Also, you can't force people to take their meds.
If the individual is homeless, it guarantees failure in assisting them. They need a roof over their heads and stability in their lives and that won't happen unless they get on the proper medication and have the supports they need. Again, a vicious circle. It's not an easy thing to deal with but we need to assist them as best we can.
Oh, what the heck do you know about it, Retired Can Sol. . . oh.Boy are you out to lunch.
It has a great deal to do with being a veteran.
As some others have said, the Housing First idea has been a raging success everywhere it has been tried, improving delivery of services, improving outcomes for the homeless of all types, and reducing the cost of providing social services by at least half, and usually much more.
It's a very simple concept. You have a home, no matter what. You will not be kicked out on the streets for using drugs, or not using drugs you should use, or for "misconduct," or for any other reason. It has done wonders for the hardcore homeless population.
The data are in. Anybody who doesn't support Housing First is a blithering idiot.
Oh, what the heck do you know about it, Retired Can Sol. . . oh.
Never mind.
Get over it. Move on.I've suffered the symptoms of transgenerational trauma since as far back as I can remember and it only got worse throughout my childhood. Without getting into detail, I'd lived in fear of my father throughout my childhood.
I'm now diagnosed with PTSD though the therapist believed I might also suffer OCD and BPD too. I just didn't have the money to continue any further. All he was good for was diagnosing me, not offering solutions, so I quit.
How is suffering PTSD my fault?
No lie, man.Not to mention that homelessness itself probably contributes to trauma.
Get over it. Move on.
You got over it and moved on.You dodged the question. I'm gainfully employed, thank you very much.
I'll repeat the question for you. How is PTSD my fault?
To clarify, I'm not talking actions. Should I choose to drink, gamble, do drugs, get hooked on computer games, porn, pay for sex, overeating, smoking, etc. Etc. Etc. Yes, I should accept responsibility for my actions. My question is not about any action, but rather about my state of mind. How is the PTSD itself my fault, and how do I just get over the PTSD?
Actually it has very little to do with veterans as everything to do with substance abuse, mental health and the inability to force people to seek help or in many case to offer help. Homeless veterans are no different than homeless mechanics, homeless waitresses or homeless sales people.
You got over it and moved on.
Your words, not mine.
My agenda. LOL
The title of the Thread: At least 2,250 of Canada’s veterans are homeless due to alcoholism, drugs and mental health issues.
It would be refreshing if you didn't just simply ignore the things you say, when you can't substantiate them.
Silly me, what was I thinking. You're a first class wimp in the arena of debate.
You should run for a political seat.
Well? Did you find?Do you believe that veterans are at greater risk for homelessness than the general population and if so, do you have any stats that back it up?
Well? Did you find?
I asked if you did. Are you just pulling sh-t from your as$?