The Need For Change in Our Education System

taxslave

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Just because you saw it on TED doesn't make it true.
How many of the young generation could spend a month in the bush with just a compass, knife,fishhook and a tarp?
My bet is next to none which proves they are not very intelligent.

Buddy, you have a screw loose.

Don't forget you are talking to the guy that works on a grant at the bottle depot.
 

Curious Cdn

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Just because you saw it on TED doesn't make it true.
How many of the young generation could spend a month in the bush with just a compass, knife,fishhook and a tarp?
My bet is next to none which proves they are not very intelligent.



Don't forget you are talking to the guy that works on a grant at the bottle depot.
A surprising number of Mensa members do things like that.
What can I say, I am in awe of such depth.
 

gerryh

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Just because you saw it on TED doesn't make it true.
How many of the young generation could spend a month in the bush with just a compass, knife,fishhook and a tarp?
My bet is next to none which proves they are not very intelligent.

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It proves nothing. Why would they need to know those skills? I know those skills and have not had to use them in over 40 years. It was nice to know, but they did not help me in any of my careers. Only the simpletons use stupid examples like this.
 

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Just because you saw it on TED doesn't make it true...

Of course it doesn't. The fact that none of the usual silly folk can provide anything even remotely credible to refute it gives it a lot of credibility though. I understand that, in your fantasy world, your opinion carries the same weight as Jame's but I can assure you that it doesn't. You can take solace in the fact that at least you're entertaining

It proves nothing. Why would they need to know those skills? I know those skills and have not had to use them in over 40 years. It was nice to know, but they did not help me in any of my careers. Only the simpletons use stupid examples like this.

Lots of people don't know how to shoe a horse....f'ing morons
 

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I don't think anybody is saying we shouldn't teach math. The point of the video...and the point that most seem to be missing...is that it isn't as important now as it was back then. I'm the treasurer of a couple of organizations and I use QuickBooks on one and Simply Accounting on the other. With zero accounting training, I'm able to look after the books of two organizations that have over 1/2 million dollars a year going through the bank accounts. The world is changing. Our education system needs to change as well.



I too use an accounting program and tax program and a calculator each and every day. How do I know if I've "hit" the wrong number or if something doesn't look right? I know, instinctively because the "math" doesn't make sense.


You can use those programs, and as long as the debits and credits balance each other out, it still doesn't mean its right. That's what I'm talking about.


JMHO
 

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I too use an accounting program and tax program and a calculator each and every day. How do I know if I've "hit" the wrong number or if something doesn't look right? I know, instinctively because the "math" doesn't make sense.

...and if you don't catch it, the program will. Is that anecdote supposed to refute any of the videos?
 

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...and if you don't catch it, the program will. Is that anecdote supposed to refute any of the videos?




The program won't necessarily catch it is what I'm saying. You have to be able to look and find where the mistake is and then correct it. The program won't do that because it doesn't know that it should have been $3456.00 and not $4356.00. Unless you have some damn savy programs....


Just sayin'....
 

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The program won't do that because it doesn't know that it should have been $3456.00 and not $4356.00.......

Of course it will. The accounts won't reconcile if they don't balance. Again, does your anecdote refute the message of any of the videos posted?
 

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No it doesn't because, I agree with you if you believe we want well-rounded individuals. But it still includes the basics (at the very least) of all three R's.


Unfortunately, our education system isn't set up like a few countries in Europe where each child is assessed based on their abilities and talents at a much earlier age than we do in N. A. If you are "artistically" inclined then you are encouraged to pursue those areas; if you are mechanically inclined, or academically inclined etc. etc. I think that's where we may "miss the boat" sometimes. University is not necessarily the be all and end all (or whatever the saying is). I know many individuals who were encouraged to "go to university because their parents went" and ended up hating it and not really accomplishing anything and dropping out. That's such a waste of talent.


Having said that, I work with a young person who recently graduated from H.S. where "ritin" wasn't particularly important - no one can read her writing! It's pathetic! I've asked her to email me any msg because I can't read her writing!!


Just sayin....
 

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No it doesn't because, I agree with you if you believe we want well-rounded individuals.

Since neither I nor any of the videos I've posted suggest that we not teach people to do math or read, I'm not quite sure where you would get confused.

Unfortunately, our education system isn't set up like a few countries ....

Then you should support changing it. See, that wasn't so difficult
 

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I don't believe that any generation is more intelligent than another. There has always been smart kids and stupid ones.
The thing is, there was no time wasted on trying to turn stupid kids into smart ones. Their potential was evaluated and they were educated (or not) accordingly.
The practice now of putting kids with learning disabilities in with normal kids is harmful to both. For the ones with disabilities it causes them to feel out of place and the extra attention they need takes away from the time spent on the normal ones.
There has always been kids with different talents too. Some are cut out for professions, others are more skilled at trades, each one to his natural abilities. Making education a business meant getting everyone into college whether they were suited to it or not.
Where would we be without the waiters, janitors, cooks, store clerks, etc., all those who don't need college education to do their jobs well? We would be in a pretty pickle without them.
Also, what was wrong with 4 year apprenticeships to learn a trade from a master tradesman? FGS even a life truck operator has to take a course now and get certified!

I think you are probably right. Of course each successive generation has access to more knowledge than the previous one which has little to do with intelligence. I think intelligence is tied more closely to the ability to grasp new concepts and extend them.
 

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I think you are probably right. Of course each successive generation has access to more knowledge than the previous one which has little to do with intelligence. I think intelligence is tied more closely to the ability to grasp new concepts and extend them.

That's exactly right. Intelligence is the ability to grasp new concepts, there is a vast difference between being educated and being
intelligent.

What my son, manager of a computer programming firm, has told me is that he gets new staff, graduates of programming courses, who cannot pinpoint a problem and therefore cannot correct it. They have to be walked through, shown where the problem lies and how to correct it.
That indicates to me (and to him) that the students are learning how technology works but not how to think out the logical process of analyzing. In other words, they are being told what to do, not how to recognize for themselves what to do and how to do it. Independent thinking is what is lacking. And I believe a lot of brilliant minds are going to waste because the basic principle of 'thinking' is passed over.
 

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That's exactly right. Intelligence is the ability to grasp new concepts, there is a vast difference between being educated and being
intelligent.

What my son, manager of a computer programming firm, has told me is that he gets new staff, graduates of programming courses, who cannot pinpoint a problem and therefore cannot correct it. They have to be walked through, shown where the problem lies and how to correct it.
That indicates to me (and to him) that the students are learning how technology works but not how to think out the logical process of analyzing. In other words, they are being told what to do, not how to recognize for themselves what to do and how to do it. Independent thinking is what is lacking. And I believe a lot of brilliant minds are going to waste because the basic principle of 'thinking' is passed over.
Naw they won't go to waste they'll be cypherin as they ",,,,sho me sweep de flo"
 

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I think intelligence is tied more closely to the ability to grasp new concepts and extend them.

If that's the case then, judging by this forum, the younger folks are indeed more intelligent than the older ones