Open Carry-A Stupid Concept

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I thought he died of colon cancer. Oh well.The Duke was overrated anyway.

And an a-hole and also a coward who only made movies about war instead of actually fighting in one and also as I understand it Walter masturbates regularly while watching True Grit, which explains why he gave me a red. LOL

 

[Bar Sinister]

The thing is, those stats don't really tell the entire story. There's no clear or convincing evidence in those statistics that shows more gun laws lead to more or less gun crime. Look at Chicago. It ranked tenth overall in gun homicide rates in 2009-2010. And that was when there was a total ban on handguns in the city. Washington D.C. is pretty ridiculous too. In a city where only 3.6% of the population owns a firearm they have homicide by firearm rate of 16.5/100,000. That sure is one busy 3.6 % of the population.


The other problem is your list refers to gun deaths, not homicide by firearm. Many of the states that claim to have low "gun death rates" actually have comparatively high rates of homicide by firearm, New Jersey being a prime example. New Jersey had a higher rate of homicide by firearm than Idaho.
What really skews the numbers though is suicide. That list of gun deaths by state you linked to factors in all deaths by firearm, including suicide. Massachusetts I believe is ranked second lowest for gun deaths, including suicide. But there are also quite a few bridges in the state that have 15+ft tall chain link fencing along the side because too many people were committing suicide by jumping off of them. So, it would be interesting to see a comparison in suicides by state and find how much of a difference in suicide rates there is between heavy gun law states and those with little to no laws.

I am well aware that statistics can be manipulated, but there is one question no supporter of firearms has ever been able to answer satisfactorily and that is if gun ownership and open carry actually do lead to fewer gun deaths then why isn't the United States the safest country on the planet?

 

[Jinentonix]

I am well aware that statistics can be manipulated, but there is one question no supporter of firearms has ever been able to answer satisfactorily and that is if gun ownership and open carry actually do lead to fewer gun deaths then why isn't the United States the safest country on the planet?

Of course the other question is, if gun laws are so effective, then why do so many states with gun laws that have low rates of death by firearm also have significantly higher rates of homicide by firearm?


The point was, there's nothing in the current stats that indicates gun laws, or a lack of, make any real difference in the US.

 

[DaSleeper]

Population demographics may be the elephant in the room that nobody wants to see.....

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I am well aware that statistics can be manipulated, but there is one question no supporter of firearms has ever been able to answer satisfactorily and that is if gun ownership and open carry actually do lead to fewer gun deaths then why isn't the United States the safest country on the planet?

And the answer is "That's not relevant to our support for gun ownership."

 

[Curious Cdn]

I guess that really, they don't wasn't to be safe. They want to be "empowered".

 

[petros]

Ban rap music.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I guess that really, they don't wasn't to be safe. They want to be "empowered".

Precisely. My whole take on it is if he's got one, I want one too.

I'd love to hear your plan for rounding up the quarter of a billion guns in private hands in the U.S. if you achieve your consideration of banning guns. I'll even ignore the fact that you have no legitimate interest and no say in the matter.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Precisely. My whole take on it is if he's got one, I want one too.

I'd love to hear your plan for rounding up the quarter of a billion guns in private hands in the U.S. if you achieve your consideration of banning guns. I'll even ignore the fact that you have no legitimate interest and no say in the matter.

I have no legitimate interest in disarming Americans as long as their (specifically handguns) stay on the southern side of the border. We have built a different society here that functions very well without a pistol in every pocket and when and where they do creep into our country, there is usually trouble. Inner city minority kids who feel marginallized often use them in the same manner as Americans do ... go give them personal power. It is unwelcome and problematic and it is a thoroughlly poor way of empowering teenagers.

 

[MHz]

It should be open and unloaded carry so the shooter has to at least put the clip in before emptying it at the school crosswalk.

I have no legitimate interest in disarming Americans as long as their (specifically handguns) stay on the southern side of the border. We have built a different society here that functions very well without a pistol in every pocket and when and where they do creep into our country, there is usually trouble. Inner city minority kids who feel marginallized often use them in the same manner as Americans do ... go give them personal power. It is unwelcome and problematic and it is a thoroughlly poor way of empowering teenagers.

How about open carry on tranq-darts, enough for a 20 minute nap. (day-glo paint)

 

[skookumchuck]

I have no legitimate interest in disarming Americans as long as their (specifically handguns) stay on the southern side of the border. We have built a different society here that functions very well without a pistol in every pocket and when and where they do creep into our country, there is usually trouble. Inner city minority kids who feel marginallized often use them in the same manner as Americans do ... go give them personal power. It is unwelcome and problematic and it is a thoroughlly poor way of empowering teenagers.

Functions very well? Perhaps you have an explanation regarding my and many others growing up with full access to firearms from age 10-12. No "empowerment" happened, other than, Bobby has a better .22 than i do, and no shootings.
Why do "inner city people" feel "marginalized"? Something new to play with your emotions huh? All the so called progressives cannot explain why we were so successful and they are not. Odd, them being so smart and all.

 

[gerryh]

I have no legitimate interest in disarming Americans as long as their (specifically handguns) stay on the southern side of the border. .

The americans have no hand or responsibility in keeping those guns out of Canada. That is OUR responsibility. If American weapons are getting across the border into Canada, then our Border services are not doing their job.

 

[MHz]

Or they need a bigger bribe than the gun-runners are giving them.