Christians don't be enthusiastic about the Christ
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It is very strange among the heavenly messages: that they consider the prophet as god, because he came essentially to save them from the idolatry, so how can he tell them to worship him instead of worshiping God Who sent him!?
Quran 3: 79-80, which means:
[The Christians of Najran said that the Christ commanded us to take him as god, so we took him as a god; therefore, this aya was revealed:]
{ 79. It is not for any man that God should give him the Book, the [sound] judging [of people with justice] and the prophet-hood,
and that he should then say to people "Be my servants rather than God's servants"a,
but: rather [the Christ said to his disciples] "Be the inviters to God's worship by virtue of your [constant] teaching [people] the Book [:the Gospel] and of your [constant] studying [the Torah.]" b
80. Nor would [: the Christ] command you to take angels and prophets as gods. Would he command you to disbelieve c after your compliance [to God alone?d]}
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a So you are lying against the Christ, and he did not say that.
b i.e. Because you study and teach, you have to be the inviters of people to worship God.
c As do you claim and as are you now.
d i.e. after he invited you to worship God and to comply to His commands; but this is not correct; for the Christ did not command you to worship him; he only commanded you to worship God alone.
Christians divided concerning the Christ: some of them said he is the apostle or messenger of God; this sect is called "Jehovah witnesses"; some of them said he is the son of God, while others said: he is God, and others said three divine persons: father, son and a holy ghost, and the three are one, like that man consists of a trunk, extremities and a head but he is one.
In truth, the Christ called himself "the son of man", and if you read the Gospel you will find "the son of man" repeated in many pages which is the title of the Christ; he entitled himself "the son of man" lest they should say he is the son of God because he knew that.
Their claim is disproved in the Torah, Book of Numbers, chapter 23: 19, God said:
"God is not a man, that he should lie, Neither the son of man, that he should repent."
So while it is firmly understood by Christians that the title of the Christ is the "son of man", then won't they consider this expression and become alert to their mistakes, in spite of that they believe in the Torah [included in the Old Testament] and recognize it;
do they want a more clear expression than this sentence, which is the saying of God – be glorified: "God is not a man, that he should lie, Neither the son of man, that he should repent."
Moreover, the Christ said in the Gospel according to John 17: 21
"That the world may believe that You sent me."
And another saying of Jesus Christ in the Gospel according to John 13: 16 indicates that he is only a messenger or an apostle:
"I tell you, a servant is not greater than his lord, neither one who is sent greater than he who sent him."
In addition, the Book of Ecclesiastes 4: 8 includes more clear command of the exclusive devotion to God alone:
"There is one who is alone, and he has neither son nor brother."
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible.
Quran 3: 79-80, which means:
[The Christians of Najran said that the Christ commanded us to take him as god, so we took him as a god; therefore, this aya was revealed:]
{ 79. It is not for any man that God should give him the Book, the [sound] judging [of people with justice] and the prophet-hood,
and that he should then say to people "Be my servants rather than God's servants"a,
but: rather [the Christ said to his disciples] "Be the inviters to God's worship by virtue of your [constant] teaching [people] the Book [:the Gospel] and of your [constant] studying [the Torah.]" b
80. Nor would [: the Christ] command you to take angels and prophets as gods. Would he command you to disbelieve c after your compliance [to God alone?d]}
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a So you are lying against the Christ, and he did not say that.
b i.e. Because you study and teach, you have to be the inviters of people to worship God.
c As do you claim and as are you now.
d i.e. after he invited you to worship God and to comply to His commands; but this is not correct; for the Christ did not command you to worship him; he only commanded you to worship God alone.
Christians divided concerning the Christ: some of them said he is the apostle or messenger of God; this sect is called "Jehovah witnesses"; some of them said he is the son of God, while others said: he is God, and others said three divine persons: father, son and a holy ghost, and the three are one, like that man consists of a trunk, extremities and a head but he is one.
In truth, the Christ called himself "the son of man", and if you read the Gospel you will find "the son of man" repeated in many pages which is the title of the Christ; he entitled himself "the son of man" lest they should say he is the son of God because he knew that.
Their claim is disproved in the Torah, Book of Numbers, chapter 23: 19, God said:
"God is not a man, that he should lie, Neither the son of man, that he should repent."
So while it is firmly understood by Christians that the title of the Christ is the "son of man", then won't they consider this expression and become alert to their mistakes, in spite of that they believe in the Torah [included in the Old Testament] and recognize it;
do they want a more clear expression than this sentence, which is the saying of God – be glorified: "God is not a man, that he should lie, Neither the son of man, that he should repent."
Moreover, the Christ said in the Gospel according to John 17: 21
"That the world may believe that You sent me."
And another saying of Jesus Christ in the Gospel according to John 13: 16 indicates that he is only a messenger or an apostle:
"I tell you, a servant is not greater than his lord, neither one who is sent greater than he who sent him."
In addition, the Book of Ecclesiastes 4: 8 includes more clear command of the exclusive devotion to God alone:
"There is one who is alone, and he has neither son nor brother."
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible.
Is that the interpretation that you follow when you excuse goat raping, child molesting, murderous Muslims?
You've become very predictable Selfstench. When you're called out on your ignorance, you always revert back to your comfort zone of quoting your book. Your supreme authority. It's your appeal to authority. You have no entity that you follow or are devoted to. You worship a stupid book written by nomadic arabs' who walked around trying to think of ways to seem important. That's what you follow. A stupid book.
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You may want (or not) to pay particular attention to definitions 2 and 4 - meaning hillbilly could very well be off the mark half the time....
No one excuses the fornication, adultery and God's disobedience.
So if you are true, why do you disbelieve in God's messenger Mohammed and in the Quran revealed to him, as had your ancestors disbelieve Moses and Jesus and the other prophets?
See how they killed the prophets in the book: The Disagreement of the Quran and the Bible, and from the list of Contents see They killed the prophets.
The Disagreement of the
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Oh I know there are no excuses. But you excuse the raping of goats and children, the murder of Joos and non believers.
That's all on you and your religion.
Jews and others who do not transgress, no transgression should be on them.
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Quran 5: 59, which mean:
{Say: "People of the Bible [Christians and Jews in particular], do you disavow us, for anything but that:
we believe in God [alone a]
, and [in the Quran] that has been revealed to us
and [the Books] that had been revealed [to the prophets] before b,
and that most of you are 'rebellious and disobedient'." c}
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a i.e. we do not associate with Him anything, as did you, Jews, associate so that you worshipped the calf in the time of Moses and the Baal after him;
and we do not say about any trinity, as have you, Christians, claimed about a Trinity and worshipped the statues of the Christ and his mother;
and moreover, We believe in all the prophets of God.
b But you disbelieved and associated others with God, and therefore you [now] deny our belief in God alone.
c In addition to your disbelief and association.
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Quran 5: 60, which means:
{Say [Mohammed d]: "Shall I tell you [Jews] about something worse than that [you mock at, of our religion]e – concerning a reward from God [that will be for us?f]
They are those [your ancestors and you] whom God cursed g, and His wrath was kindled against them h,
and He made out of their [dead bodies] the apes and swines i [in Palestine, after the coming of Nabuchodonosor],
and [those who] served the Taghoot: the tyrant [: Nabuchodonosor, and Pharaoh before him.] j
Those [who served Baal and Astaroth] are [today] worst in abode and farthest [than others] astray from the right way."}
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d To these Jews who mocked your prayers and denied your belief.
e Because we believe in God alone and we do not associate anything with Him.
f And we will not have evil as do you claim, but the evil will be for you and your ancestors who associated with God, and worshipped the calf, Baal, and Astaroth.
g i.e. God shifted him away from His mercy, and humiliated him.
h Because of their disbelieving and worshipping the idols.
i i.e. He created the apes and swines, in the country of Palestine, out of their dead corpses, and that was after the event of Nabuchodonosor.
j i.e. God caused them to be slaves of Nabuchodonosor who enslaved them for seventy years, as had Pharaoh enslaved them for two hundred years. This is in the in the life of the World; while in the Next Life, the spirits of the associaters and idolaters among them serve the devils in the Barzakh world (or the spirit world or the afterlife world.)
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible.
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you are tree stump. A regular person would consider the possibility of being in the wrong. A tree stump can't reason or consider anything but the ground he's planted in. You are treestump aka turnip head.
Stop spouting your crap about that Satanic flim-flam paedophile that you call the Prophet Mohammed.
Filthy barbarians.
Selfsame, are you a terrorist planning an attack? Just wondering.
I mean you're pretty much a whack job, so I'm not putting it past you.
I mean you're pretty much a whack job, so I'm not putting it past you.
I actually find bible quoting fanatics as offensive as quran quoting fanatics...
Faith is a personal thing.....proselytizers should be horsewhipped!
Faith is a personal thing.....proselytizers should be horsewhipped!
You'd like to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and put it to ignorance or stupidity but I think you are right. Pretty deceptive no question about it,
It saddens me to no end that there is no one to speak for the goats.... They are subjected to suffering in abject silence (except maybe for the occasional bleating)
Kudos
Very well put
This is the same old stuff that is regurgitated constantly to the point
where anyone who would believe this stuff should line up to buy the
Brooklyn Bridge.
I don't give a fig about religion as a product brand name anymore I
want my God to do what I want instead of having all these damn rules.
What this person needs is a night out on the town with drinks women
and a party atmosphere to top off the evening. No books no regrets
just one hell of a good time.
where anyone who would believe this stuff should line up to buy the
Brooklyn Bridge.
I don't give a fig about religion as a product brand name anymore I
want my God to do what I want instead of having all these damn rules.
What this person needs is a night out on the town with drinks women
and a party atmosphere to top off the evening. No books no regrets
just one hell of a good time.