Simple question, would the world be more peaceful without the Quaran? Yes or no

Motar

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I don't see where there would be any point in asking anything of you as you have aptly demonstrated yourself to be one of those fossils I have already experienced. I have my Faith ... and it includes Christ

"And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister." (1 John 4:21 NIV)
 

gerryh

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"And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister." (1 John 4:21 NIV)



and what is your stance on ISIS fighters? Those that behead those that they feel are their enemies. Those that rape women, and kill their children? Burn Christian churches?
 

Motar

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and what is your stance on ISIS fighters? Those that behead those that they feel are their enemies. Those that rape women, and kill their children? Burn Christian churches?

"In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived." (2 Timothy 3:12-13 NIV)
 

gerryh

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"In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived." (2 Timothy 3:12-13 NIV)


answer the question.
 

VanIsle

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So let's just let Islam do to us what Christianity did to natives of America?

What happened long ago is not today. Things happened to First Nations people that should never have happened. Things happened to many people that should never have happened. I am not now, nor have I ever been responsible for any of that. It did not happen to all First Nations but they nearly all cry foul and after all this time, they still ALL not only want but expect all of us to pay. Those of us who were not responsinle should not pay and those who were not harmed personally should not receive a dime. It does not involve them.
That said, I am a Christian. I will attend my church in the morning along with several First Nations people, Chinese People, Black People and anyone and everyone. As Christians we are taught to love all and to pray for those who are difficult to love. Those who belong to ISIS are difficult to love. They are unpredictable and cruel. We pray for them to learn kindness and to learn to show love in place of anger and cruelty.
Would the world be more peaceful without the Quran? The world would be peaceful if radical personalities did not pull chapters and verses from any book considered Holy, and convert it to their own belief and then convince people to follow them. If people would pick up a book and read it instead of blindly following, most would learn they are not really in the right place. We were once a good acquaintance of an East Indian man who studied the Quran and then changed to Christianity. After a few years, he went back to the Quran. We learned from people who who worked on their house (trades) that he became quite cruel to his wife. she is considerably younger and white. We understand he has passed on now so that is over for her. I haven't read any or the Quran. Did the words in there give him permission to be like that? Did he go back to the Quran as an excuse for that way of life? I'll never know.
 

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What happened long ago is not today. Things happened to First Nations people that should never have happened. Things happened to many people that should never have happened. I am not now, nor have I ever been responsible for any of that. It did not happen to all First Nations but they nearly all cry foul and after all this time, they still ALL not only want but expect all of us to pay. Those of us who were not responsinle should not pay and those who were not harmed personally should not receive a dime. It does not involve them.

So we are led to believe that the ONLY First Nations' people who were harmed by the residential schools are/were the ones in actual attendance there?
 

gerryh

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What happened long ago is not today. Things happened to First Nations people that should never have happened. Things happened to many people that should never have happened. I am not now, nor have I ever been responsible for any of that. It did not happen to all First Nations but they nearly all cry foul and after all this time, they still ALL not only want but expect all of us to pay. Those of us who were not responsinle should not pay and those who were not harmed personally should not receive a dime. It does not involve them.
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Really....hmmmm.... define "not harmed personally".... because I'll tell you right now, the children of the children that went to the residential schools, were very much harmed. Many of their parents grew up alone, not knowing love, not knowing how to love. They were never taught how to nurture, how to parent. Many became alcohol dependant and drug dependant because of what they went through. You don't think THAT effected THEIR children? Do you not think that THAT was a DIRECT result of the residential schools? What's your answer to the children of the children.... suck it up buttercup? Is that your answer to them?
 

JLM

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Really....hmmmm.... define "not harmed personally".... because I'll tell you right now, the children of the children that went to the residential schools, were very much harmed. Many of their parents grew up alone, not knowing love, not knowing how to love. They were never taught how to nurture, how to parent. Many became alcohol dependant and drug dependant because of what they went through. You don't think THAT effected THEIR children? Do you not think that THAT was a DIRECT result of the residential schools? What's your answer to the children of the children.... suck it up buttercup? Is that your answer to them?

Some people just find it easy to down play OTHER people's problems!
 

gerryh

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Some people just find it easy to down play OTHER people's problems!


No, some people just don't have an operating brain. Some people have no empathy. Some people are just useless peices of skin.


" oh, but I'm a Christain" ......... But screw any ideas that I'm responsible for the acts of my government/country.


And people wonder why I'm such an a$$hole.
 

tay

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Then is it not clear, that any religion should not be tolerated if we want peace?

Religions are not and have not been the only source of conflicts but they do make up the majority.

My response to people living in the supposed 'first world' is "how old were you when you stopped believing in Santa Claus?"

Yes the uneducated and uninformed areas of the world will still have their superstitions and on a larger scale forced religious beliefs that are instilled in them from the earliest age possible and these people are the problem
 

Serryah

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The answer is simple: No.

Some other reason would take it's place, be it another religion, race or idea.

The hard part to answer IS the 'what to do about them' part.

We can't let them go through the growing pains that Christianity did, too much of the world would be destroyed, too many lives would be lost.

We can't fight them like we are now and expect to beat them, because the extremists are doing what they're doing because of an Idea, a Belief, a Faith and that's not something you can physically kill.

We can't do what might help lead towards a solution because too many people are making money off of this, too many people don't want to do the work to end this and too many people just really don't give a damn because it's the Middle East and "not here".

Education, sympathy, humanity, compassion; yeah it won't change them all, but it just might change some, or enough, for the idea to spread.

Ironically how their book and Christianity's own book says we should all be like. Imagine if people actually did what their prophet's said to do.
 

Ludlow

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The answer is simple: No.

Some other reason would take it's place, be it another religion, race or idea.

The hard part to answer IS the 'what to do about them' part.

We can't let them go through the growing pains that Christianity did, too much of the world would be destroyed, too many lives would be lost.

We can't fight them like we are now and expect to beat them, because the extremists are doing what they're doing because of an Idea, a Belief, a Faith and that's not something you can physically kill.

We can't do what might help lead towards a solution because too many people are making money off of this, too many people don't want to do the work to end this and too many people just really don't give a damn because it's the Middle East and "not here".

Education, sympathy, humanity, compassion; yeah it won't change them all, but it just might change some, or enough, for the idea to spread.

Ironically how their book and Christianity's own book says we should all be like. Imagine if people actually did what their prophet's said to do.
I remember a speech by Farrakan years ago. Typical rhetoric trying to fuel the fires of division among people for their own egotistical agendas. The thing that stood out for me was the man saying, " and Jesus said, in the last day perilous times will come". Thing is, those were not the words of Jesus. Those were words from Saul in one of his letters. So not only do you have people blindly following some loud mouth self appointed guru, you also have a guru that is just as ignorant as those who blindly follow him. I think the answer is not to condemn and destroy, rather to try and inspire education . Education is the only road to recovery for those indoctrinated by false teachers such as this particular clown.
 

Motar

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"But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did." (1 John 2:5-6 NIV)