Freedom of speech and thought and equality is what the West is and Islam forbids it.

[French Patriot]

You might want to check into the Talmud to be an equal opportunity slammer

As I mentioned above, post 131, I do not see Jewry as believers in the usual sense.


For instance, in their oral tradition, a rabbi can overrule their written tradition.


That and their notion of a Divine Council show that they are more like Gnostic Christians with a human God than the other imaginary Gods.


The more Orthodox might not agree with me but most Jews I speak with are closer to atheists than believers.

But for sure if you go by what the mainstream says of Jews, you will likely think they are close to Christian but they are not.


Morally speaking, they are a cut above as they do not use Jesus as their scapegoat and free ride into heaven,


Regards
DL

 

[lone wolf]

...ahh, so the truth slowly emerges....

 

[French Patriot]

...ahh, so the truth slowly emerges....

Regards
DL

 

[darkbeaver]

As I mentioned above, post 131, I do not see Jewry as believers in the usual sense.
For instance, in their oral tradition, a rabbi can overrule their written tradition.
That and their notion of a Divine Council show that they are more like Gnostic Christians with a human God than the other imaginary Gods.
The more Orthodox might not agree with me but most Jews I speak with are closer to atheists than believers.
But for sure if you go by what the mainstream says of Jews, you will likely think they are close to Christian but they are not.
Morally speaking, they are a cut above as they do not use Jesus as their scapegoat and free ride into heaven,
Regards
DL

It would be interesting to see you defend your ideas of a human God as not being idol worship exactly the same as these "other imaginary gods". The human is made of matter/material so you insinuate materialism as Jewish religious practice. Only reason is devine. Morally you have made the Jews exceptional in the human race a theory that can never be proven by any racial collective.
The earliest Gnostics taught that only the devine spark of Logos embeded within every human is to be worshiped. Reason is devine and nothing else. Your idea about Jews not using Jesus is easily dismissed by thier constant employment of that same tool.

 

[French Patriot]

It would be interesting to see you defend your ideas of a human God as not being idol worship exactly the same as these "other imaginary gods". The human is made of matter/material so you insinuate materialism as Jewish religious practice. Only reason is devine. Morally you have made the Jews exceptional in the human race a theory that can never be proven by any racial collective.
The earliest Gnostics taught that only the devine spark of Logos embeded within every human is to be worshiped. Reason is devine and nothing else. Your idea about Jews not using Jesus is easily dismissed by thier constant employment of that same tool.

Gnostic Christians are Universalists so I make no one particularly special in the sense you mean.


If you are going to speak of the spark of God within us then talk of matter as our Jesus did and not in the way those who won the God wars did when distorting our beliefs.




Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.


If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.


Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.


[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.


But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
You forget that it is the Christians that see God cursing the world after the fall.


Gnostic Christians, like the Jews, see Eden as a place of man's elevation and not a fall.


Christians make God a loser while Gnostic Christians make God a winner.


Christians see people as basically evil while Gnostic Christians see people as basically good.


Who do you think is closer to the truth?


Regards
DL

 

[Ludlow]

Gnostic Christians are Universalists so I make no one particularly special in the sense you mean.


If you are going to speak of the spark of God within us then talk of matter as our Jesus did and not in the way those who won the God wars did when distorting our beliefs.




Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.


If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.


Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.


[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.


But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
You forget that it is the Christians that see God cursing the world after the fall.


Gnostic Christians, like the Jews, see Eden as a place of man's elevation and not a fall.


Christians make God a loser while Gnostic Christians make God a winner.


Christians see people as basically evil while Gnostic Christians see people as basically good.


Who do you think is closer to the truth?


Regards
DL

Not all Christians believe in the concept of total depravity.

 

[selfsame]

It would be interesting to see you defend your ideas of a human God as not being idol worship exactly the same as these "other imaginary gods". The human is made of matter/material so you insinuate materialism as Jewish religious practice. Only reason is devine. Morally you have made the Jews exceptional in the human race a theory that can never be proven by any racial collective.
The earliest Gnostics taught that only the devine spark of Logos embeded within every human is to be worshiped. Reason is devine and nothing else. Your idea about Jews not using Jesus is easily dismissed by thier constant employment of that same tool.

One of my near relatives said to me: What's his crime that a Jew: God created him Jew; he means: God created him among a Jewish family, so he grew up as a Jew.
The same is true about Christians, Muslims and others: God created them in their families, so they grew up as such.

I said: this is true.

Therefore, Abu abd-Allah strove to tell people as much as he could: about the 'exclusive devotion to God': i.e. the Tawheed: that God is One and their glorification should be to God alone (and to abandon their enthusiasm about the imams and sheikhs and others) and he told them about his marvelous interpretation of the Quran... and yet none, except a few responded.

Even though he invited them to their glory and to the correct way, but none except a few responded, and he said to me: People have become like devils: they do not respond.

I understood afterwards that the devil know the truth and work contrary to it deliberately.

And he said also: The patience of man is for one hour only, while God gives respite for forty years.(he invited them for more than 45 years.)
What suffering they have is on my behalf.
And he read this aya 17: 15
{Nor do We punish [any people with the extermination] unless We send [them] a messenger k [or apostle.] }
...........................................................

k To warn them of worshipping the idols and to invite them to obey God Most Gracious; but shouldn’t they listen to his words and work according to his command, We exterminate them according to their sins.

So this is the trial of all people: Jews, Christians, Muslims and others: will they respond to God's religion and to the caller to God?

So this will abolish the circumstances that everyone is born to his own religion: because all religions will be tried with this trial.

One who wants to know about such teachings, let him do Google search about: Man after Death by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/index.htm#Quran_interpretation

 

[Ludlow]

One of my near relatives said to me: What's his crime that a Jew: God created him Jew; he means: God created him among a Jewish family, so he grew up as a Jew.
The same is true about Christians, Muslims and others: God created them in their families, so they grew up as such.

I said: this is true.

Therefore, Abu abd-Allah strove to tell people as much as he could: about the 'exclusive devotion to God': i.e. the Tawheed: that God is One and their glorification should be to God alone (and to abandon their enthusiasm about the imams and sheikhs and others) and he told them about his marvelous interpretation of the Quran... and yet none, except a few responded.

Even though he invited them to their glory and to the correct way, but none except a few responded, and he said to me: People have become like devils: they do not respond.

I understood afterwards that the devil know the truth and work contrary to it deliberately.

And he said also: The patience of man is for one hour only, while God gives respite for forty years.(he invited them for more than 45 years.)
What suffering they have is on my behalf.
And he read this aya 17: 15
{Nor do We punish [any people with the extermination] unless We send [them] a messenger k [or apostle.] }
...........................................................

k To warn them of worshipping the idols and to invite them to obey God Most Gracious; but shouldn’t they listen to his words and work according to his command, We exterminate them according to their sins.

So this is the trial of all people: Jews, Christians, Muslims and others: will they respond to God's religion and to the caller to God?

So this is will abolish the circumstances that everyone is born to his own religion: because all religions will be tried with this trial.

One who wants to know about such teachings, let him see: Man after Death by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/index.htm#Quran_interpretation

AnnaG is right. More nonsense.

 

[selfsame]

AnnaG is right. More nonsense.

Certainly, you don't understand; there is a cover on your heart, on your sight is a covering and to your hearing there is impairment.
I believe you: you don't understand completely.

 

[darkbeaver]

Gnostic Christians are Universalists so I make no one particularly special in the sense you mean.
If you are going to speak of the spark of God within us then talk of matter as our Jesus did and not in the way those who won the God wars did when distorting our beliefs.
Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
You forget that it is the Christians that see God cursing the world after the fall.
Gnostic Christians, like the Jews, see Eden as a place of man's elevation and not a fall.
Christians make God a loser while Gnostic Christians make God a winner.
Christians see people as basically evil while Gnostic Christians see people as basically good.
Who do you think is closer to the truth?
Regards
DL

If you won't see evil you won't see good, that's the truth. How many good do evil and how many evil do good, excepting saints how many are entirely one or the other? There are more christian sects then there are real Christians of every organized faith. The force Christ has many names.
As you learn you get farther and farther from your former peers on a narrowing path that can't provide passage except for one. That's what I think.

 

[French Patriot]

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If you won't see evil you won't see good, that's the truth. How many good do evil and how many evil do good, excepting saints how many are entirely one or the other? There are more christian sects then there are real Christians of every organized faith. The force Christ has many names.
As you learn you get farther and farther from your former peers on a narrowing path that can't provide passage except for one. That's what I think.

If you cannot advance your peers along with you, then the journey is not likely worth it.


IOW.
What is the good of knowing or thinking something is evil or good if no one agrees.


I think the apple pies I bake are a wonder to behold but I have yet to find anyone that agrees with me.


Regards
DL

 

[darkbeaver]

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If you cannot advance your peers along with you, then the journey is not likely worth it.


IOW.
What is the good of knowing or thinking something is evil or good if no one agrees.


I think the apple pies I bake are a wonder to behold but I have yet to find anyone that agrees with me.


Regards
DL

You're forgetting the famed narowness of the path. It admits one at a time and no more. You are the only one that you can take on that path. Certainly you can discuss the path with others you can help them but you finish that complete path alone. It is not you agreeing with others it is you agreeing with the one. There are no group rates.

 

[tay]

The additional district and sessions court in Rahim Yar Khan sentenced a man to life imprisonment on the charges of committing blasphemy, Dawn reported on Saturday.

The court also ordered the convict to submit Rs100,000 fine.

In his verdict, Additional District and Sessions Judge Khursheed Ahmed Anjum ruled that the convict had committed blasphemy on the social media.

A spokesperson for the District Police Officer (DPO), Umar Saleem, told Dawn that a complaint was registered against Bhait in July last year for reportedly posting blasphemous content on social media.

A first information report based on the complaint was lodged after some time.

According to the DPO spokesperson, the convict was held in district jail for 90 days due to security reasons on the orders of district administration. The initial hearings of the "sensitive" case were also held in jail.

Earlier this month, a district and sessions court sentenced three men to death in Sheikhupura on charges of committing blasphemy.
The court had also fined them Rs200,000 each, but if they are unable to pay the fine, they would have to undergo six months of rigorous punishment.

In his verdict, Additional District and Sessions Judge Mian Javed Akram ruled that the three members of the Ahmadi community of Bhoaywal village had committed blasphemy by displaying a poster and banners at their place of worship in a manner that was offending.

Riaz Hussain, a shopkeeper, had filed a complaint against the three men at the Sharqpur police station.

In June, an Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) had sentenced a man to death for sharing blasphemous content about Islam on social media, a government prosecutor said.

ATC Judge Shabir Ahmed announced the sentence for the 30-year-old accused in Bahawalpur, according to Shafiq Qureshi.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1366904

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Women did just get to vote in saudi arabia and I think 4 ladies were elected. They may not be where we're at but they are slowly getting there.

You not racist but your last sentence hints that you might be a bit of a sexist

No, Frenchy's right (if you assume a comprehensive ignorance of history and current events).

 

[MHz]

Freedom of speech and thought and equality is what the West is and Islam forbids it.

Have you no shame, the board you are on in the UK forbids quoting the Bible. You are so full of shit all the time somebody should curb you ability to spread said shit around. lol

 

[French Patriot]

The additional district and sessions court in Rahim Yar Khan sentenced a man to life imprisonment on the charges of committing blasphemy, Dawn reported on Saturday.

The court also ordered the convict to submit Rs100,000 fine.

In his verdict, Additional District and Sessions Judge Khursheed Ahmed Anjum ruled that the convict had committed blasphemy on the social media.

A spokesperson for the District Police Officer (DPO), Umar Saleem, told Dawn that a complaint was registered against Bhait in July last year for reportedly posting blasphemous content on social media.

A first information report based on the complaint was lodged after some time.

According to the DPO spokesperson, the convict was held in district jail for 90 days due to security reasons on the orders of district administration. The initial hearings of the "sensitive" case were also held in jail.

Earlier this month, a district and sessions court sentenced three men to death in Sheikhupura on charges of committing blasphemy.
The court had also fined them Rs200,000 each, but if they are unable to pay the fine, they would have to undergo six months of rigorous punishment.

In his verdict, Additional District and Sessions Judge Mian Javed Akram ruled that the three members of the Ahmadi community of Bhoaywal village had committed blasphemy by displaying a poster and banners at their place of worship in a manner that was offending.

Riaz Hussain, a shopkeeper, had filed a complaint against the three men at the Sharqpur police station.

In June, an Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) had sentenced a man to death for sharing blasphemous content about Islam on social media, a government prosecutor said.

ATC Judge Shabir Ahmed announced the sentence for the 30-year-old accused in Bahawalpur, according to Shafiq Qureshi.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1366904

Thanks for this.


No one should die for just speaking their mind.


Not even the goofs who replied following your reply.


Regards
DL

 

[Angstrom]

Freedom of speech and thought and equality is what the West is and Islam forbids it.

These two basic facts alone are why Islam and the West and our ideologies can never harmonize. Islam must change or be rejected and banned from Western countries.

The strength of the West is our sense of freedom and is why the West has progressed so far so fast. We allow and encourage free speech and free thought. Nothing and no area of thought is sanctified to us and that is why we are so progressive and have gained so much over time. We test all ideas and hold on to what is good.

Islam and Muslims have shot themselves in the mind by closing off certain beliefs that they hold due to being idol worshipers of their invisible and imaginary God. Much like Christianity did when they helped usher in the Dark Ages against free thought and their Inquisition.

Islam is trying to do the same and meeting the resistance that they deserve. The world is not going to tolerate another Dark Age against free thought nor their form of Inquisition called jihad.

Some wise Muslims, a small minority it seems, know better but the vast majority are not listening to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZZMXV_PRXk

Jewry and Christianity pulled themselves, by and large, out of their mental doldrums and now enjoy the freedom of thought and speech that is the hallmark and cornerstone of the Western ideology. Equality under the law is recognized as a higher moral tenet than misogyny and inequality. The West will never allow itself to return to the barbarity and inequality of older and more backward thinking times.

I am a left leaning person but Trump may be right, when we look at the numbers, to want to keep all Muslims out of our Western countries. Have a look from a progressive Muslims point of view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pSPvnFDDQHk

How can we bring the wisdom of these two progressive Muslim in the links provided, to the ears, and more importantly the hearts, of all Muslims?

Regards
DL
P.S. I am not racist against Islam and Muslims. If I could, I would ban all idol worshiping religions, --- including Christianity and Islam, --- as all both are good for is producing homophobic and misogynous men.

Ruel of law under freedom is the west. Equalitarianism is from communism ideology

 

[French Patriot]

Ruel of law under freedom is the west. Equalitarianism is from communism ideology

I agree for the most part.



Freedom is a word I seldom use as none of us are ever truly ever free.
So says Socrates who asked, who will make your shoes?
Meaning that we must all give up freedom for liberty which is living without fear of authorities going further than what the law allows.


Regards
DL

 

[Angstrom]

I agree for the most part.



Freedom is a word I seldom use as none of us are ever truly ever free.
So says Socrates who asked, who will make your shoes?
Meaning that we must all give up freedom for liberty which is living without fear of authorities going further than what the law allows.


Regards
DL

We are free, but usually chose the path and of least resistance.

Rule of law can easily be mistaken for equalitarianism

 

[Cannuck]

equalitarianism

Did you read a thesaurus lately? Nobody uses that word. Egalitarian is far more common.