Anyone have ideas about driving after a drink or two?

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An experienced criminal lawyer at the Newmarket courthouse says his increasing expectation is that Marco Muzzo will plead guilty in the new year to avoid a trial.

The 29-year-old King resident has been in prison in Lindsay since the late September crash that killed three young children — Harry, Daniel and Millie Neville-Lake and their grandfather, King resident Gary Neville.

It also left two other family members badly injured.

One detail that gives credence to the theory that a deal is in the works is Greenspan's request for Muzzo to appear in person at the Newmarket court Jan. 6, according to criminal lawyer Domenic Manzo.

A further indication, Manzo said, is that Muzzo's legal team has yet to request bail.

"That's a big sign," he told yorkregion.com. "Once a bail hearing is delayed more than once, you start thinking, ‘What's going on?’

Defence will have been waiting to see what kind of case they have against them. If it's a strong case, lots of witnesses and he's on scene when police arrive, then defence might say, ‘Best to plead out'."

He said if this is, indeed, the defence's strategy, then Muzzo will have been, up until now, showing remorse by remaining behind bars.


It will also play to his benefit if he chooses to plead prior to bail ever being sought, because he will get the maximum amount of credit for admitting guilt at the earliest point.

At that point, if the Crown and defence can work out a deal and then present it to a judge at judicial pretrial, he added that Muzzo could be out of prison by 2018.

"I would have expected between eight and 10 years, but I've heard rumours that it's as low as seven," he said.

Manzo added that if the Muzzo family – one of the richest in Canada – puts up a large donation toward a foundation and gives some money to the Neville-Lake family, the sentence could be lowered significantly.

Muzzo could serve as little as two years in a minimum security prison, considering he’s garnering 1-1/2 days worth of credit for each 24 hours he's in prison pre-trial. Furthermore, a prisoner typically serves one third of his sentence in Canada.

Manzo added that there is some precedence in Canadian sentencing where an injection of cash can draw a lighter sentence.

He referenced the North York California Sandwich shooting, in which the accused agreed to pay the unintended shooting victim, Louise Russo, $2 million in cash as part of the plea agreement.

Manzo said that while many will not be happy with the predicted sentence, he added that when the incident occurred, many suggested Muzzo wouldn't spend any time behind bars, considering he's the heir to a billion-dollar construction empire.

"Great lawyers can't make miracles," he said. "You can't buy yourself out of something like this."

Muzzo faces 18 charges, including impaired driving causing death.

Greenspan said he was not able to discuss Muzzo's case with the media.

The creator of the Facebook page, Prison 4 Marco Muzzo, responded to a request for comment, explaining the group is calling for life in prison for Muzzo.

"Not $1 billion can take away the pain for the Neville-Lake family," the comment stated. "Nothing will, unless we get justice, which is life in prison."

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Looks like plea deal coming in Muzzo case, outside lawyer says
 

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pay the family?
like obama does with drone killings in afghanistan

like guns
cars don't kill people
people kill people
but soon they'll be taking our cars away
(literally google driverless etc)

drinkers shouldn't even play golf let alone drive or shoot for effes sakes
straightjacket required for dinner
 

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An experienced criminal lawyer at the Newmarket courthouse says his increasing expectation is that Marco Muzzo will plead guilty in the new year to avoid a trial.

The 29-year-old King resident has been in prison in Lindsay since the late September crash that killed three young children — Harry, Daniel and Millie Neville-Lake and their grandfather, King resident Gary Neville.

It also left two other family members badly injured.



Looks like plea deal coming in Muzzo case, outside lawyer says


I'm of the mind that drunk driving is drunk driving and the crime was committed as soon as the driver turned the ignition switch- after that the results are a matter of good or bad luck. I say set the penalty for drunk driving at seven years imprisonment regardless of the outcome. I bet there would be a decrease in D.D. fatalities!
 

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I have no problem with driving after drinking alcohol as long as you don't go over the legal drink drive limit.
 

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Having been on the cleanup end of more than one drunk driving fatality I am all in favor of the death penalty for drunk driving causing death and much more than a year of no license just for impaired driving.

Do they serve their year of no driving before their death or after?
 

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I have no problem with driving after drinking alcohol as long as you don't go over the legal drink drive limit.

I have no problem with anything if you aren't creating an unreasonable hazard to other people. Some folks just don't understand the concept of what is "reasonable". Perhaps that should be the starting point
 

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I have no problem with anything if you aren't creating an unreasonable hazard to other people. Some folks just don't understand the concept of what is "reasonable". Perhaps that should be the starting point

I think in England & Wales and in Northern Ireland, it's something like the equivalent of two pints of lager you are able to drink at most if you are a man in order to still be legally allowed to drive. For women, it's either the equivalent of a pint or a pint and a half, something like that. In Scotland, it's even lower.
 

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if society took as much interest in impaired (by any means) and distracted (tech-spastics) driving as they do about cancer lotteries, bike lanes and loud chewing, maybe we'd get somewhere.

guess we really need a slew of high profile deaths for us to take notice and actually care.
loud chewing ( smacking), is a plague on society and is akin to finger nails across a blackboard. There oughta be a law.
 

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I think in England & Wales and in Northern Ireland, it's something like the equivalent of two pints of lager you are able to drink at most if you are a man in order to still be legally allowed to drive. For women, it's either the equivalent of a pint or a pint and a half, something like that. In Scotland, it's even lower.

The reality is that driving down Calgary's Deerfoot Trail during rush hour with a BAC of 0.08 is infinitely more dangerous than driving a few miles down a country back road at 3:00 am with a BAC of 0.16. Add the fact that you can easily get a cab in Calgary but not in most rural areas and quite clearly there is a significant difference between the two....but hey...knock yourselves out with your "one size fits all approach" to problem solving.
 

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In today's society, if you sniff the cork and get into an accident you are automatically guilty of impaired driving.
The amount makes no difference.
 

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I've been guilty of driving after having a beer or two before. Often times I'd take a back road so as to not get pulled over. Fortunately I never caused an accident or hurt anyone. I should have been shot.
 

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I've been guilty of driving after having a beer or two before. Often times I'd take a back road so as to not get pulled over. Fortunately I never caused an accident or hurt anyone. I should have been shot.

If we shot all the silly people, jobs would be plentiful
 

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Good thing you're not a police officer then. We have enough abusive ones as it is.
There are a few. There are a few bad apples in everything. My cousin was a police officer for several years. Good decent person. Gone now. My nephew works for sheriff Joe in Arizona . Good decent responsible person as well. But even he tells me of some of the crap officers have to put up with from parasitical criminals. Not everything is as cut and dry as people think.
 

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In today's society, if you sniff the cork and get into an accident you are automatically guilty of impaired driving.
The amount makes no difference.

It's getting to be that way alright. You can be absolutely plastered but that doesn't preclude fault by the other party. I quit drinking and driving about 30 years ago while I was still ahead of the game, I just don't want to be in the position of having had one drink and then a child steps out in front of my car and no time for me to stop. As far as MADD goes, you've either been drinking or you haven't! :)
 

Cannuck

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If I was a police officer I would have pulled me over and gave me an a$$ beating. then a few days in the clink.

There are a few. There are a few bad apples in everything. My cousin was a police officer for several years. Good decent person. Gone now. My nephew works for sheriff Joe in Arizona . Good decent responsible person as well. But even he tells me of some of the crap officers have to put up with from parasitical criminals. Not everything is as cut and dry as people think.

The only thing worse than an abusive police officer that thinks he's also the judge and jury are those that make apologies for their behavior