Venezuela Socialist Thrashed In Elections
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As information is a bit difficult to locate, atm, how can you suggest that the platform is and empty promise?
That is the ONLY solution? I would suggest that your presumption is ... well, leaping to assumption.
Wrong. I am not pretending anything. I am pointing out that you are blinded by your hatred of the USA so much you have to inject any topic you can with it.
"Coalition head Jesus Torrealba said its lawmakers would seek to modify the Central Bank law in an effort to cut back on the amount of money being printed, a key factor in Venezuela having the world's highest inflation rate....... promising new laws to stimulate the private sector and to roll back nationalizations....." - Triumphant Venezuela opposition looks to boost economy, free prisoners | Reuters
I can go along with the comment that the platform was only promises, but that is because that is all platforms are.
Where is YOUR evidence? Show us how much the USA has "pumped" into VE since Chavez died.
You are being presumptuous again. If you had paid any attention to what I have said about American business habits, you would not even have suggested such a stupid thing.
If we had an unlimited amount of time and more funds, we would have visited all of South America rather than just Equador and Colombia.
You have something against democratic elections? How much more fair can you get than people electing whomever they think will benefit them? Does one REALLY need to add the word "fair" when discussing democratic elections?
"Hit list"? You think the USA is going to try to off VE? Now there is a weird twist.
"The least"? The least who? What is "bif oil"? Are you losing control of yourself again?
Now you whine about eaglesmack? Lame.
And what happens if the USA does get involved and VE's economy improves and stabilizes and people's lifestyles improve? You still would whine about American involvment.
Or because the USA could offer what VE could not. Or because Chavez confiscated their companies and property.
Same idea that the Dippers are doing in AB right now; Chavez drove businesses and families out with his dictatorial socialism.
"Private business, evil. State owned business, good." "Economy driven by private business, evil. Economy driven by State, good".
Try providing your own articles as to why things will not improve in VE. I can wait. After YOU show something to support your presumtions, I will provide stuff to support my arguments.
Analysis: How Hugo Chavez changed Venezuela - BBC News
Wiki.
What "collective"? At any rate it is a decent source of info sometimes, yes. And a far more balanced source than you.
Interesting stuff about the Chavez gov't at the bottom here: Analysis: How Hugo Chavez changed Venezuela - BBC News
Oh there you go. That is such a strong argument. :roll:
The information isn't hard to find, what seems to be hard for most people (like yourself) is having a desire to even look for it and you just cherry pick the version that fits your view by using selective bits from a deceptive article. (like the one you linked to)
More or less giving it back to the ones that were running it before Hugo. That would include the death squads and big biz and the IMF are running the country to their advantage, like always and it follows the same pattern they use everywhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
The United States has been involved in and assisted "regime change" without the overt use of the United States military. Often, such operations are tasked to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of US operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA.
Contents
- 1 History
- 1.1 Cold War
- 1.1.1 Syria 1949
- 1.1.2 Iran 1953
- 1.1.3 Guatemala 1954
- 1.1.4 Indonesia 1958
- 1.1.5 Cuba 1959
- 1.1.6 Iraq 1960–63
- 1.1.7 Democratic Republic of the Congo 1960–65
- 1.1.8 Dominican Republic 1961
- 1.1.9 South Vietnam 1963
- 1.1.10 Brazil 1964
- 1.1.11 Chile 1970–73
- 1.1.12 Afghanistan 1979–89
- 1.1.13 Turkey 1980
- 1.1.14 Poland 1980–89
- 1.1.15 Nicaragua 1981–90
- 1.2 Post–Cold War
- 1.1 Cold War
Post them if you can even find them, you want to pretend you have your finger on the facts then a few clicks is all you have to do. So far you haven't shown any of that, in any thread let alone this one.
Let's see what they were doing while he was still alive. Are you suggesting they admitted defeat and just went home with their tail between their legs. The CIA doesn't operate like that and if that part has to be explained to you then you need to do some research on your own dime.
MASS UPRISING DEFEATS CIA COUP IN VENEZUELA
(in part) [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MASS UPRISING DEFEATS CIA COUP IN VENEZUELA [/FONT]
By Andy McInerney
The revolutionary process underway in Venezuela passed a decisive test over the weekend of April 13-14. Hundreds of thousands of workers and peasants across the country rose up to defeat a U.S.-backed coup attempt organized by the Venezuelan capitalist class against President Hugo Chávez.
It was a genuine victory of people's power in the first open clash of social classes in the oil-rich South American country. But the victory also lays bare the fundamental question of the Venezuelan Revolution: how to organize the popular classes--the workers, peasants, soldiers and students--to defend the revolution against further assaults by the propertied oligarchy and the weight of U.S. imperialism.
The Venezuelan Revolution, a process that opened with Chávez's election in 1998, is at a decisive crossroads. Its progress will require the international solidarity of all progressive people, especially in the United States.
Eva Golinger – US Aggression Against Venezuela: Fact, Not Fiction – Venezuela Solidarity Campaign
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Recently, several different spokespersons for the Obama administration have firmly claimed the United States government is not intervening in Venezuelan affairs. Department of State spokeswoman Jen Psaki went so far as to declare, “The allegations made by the Venezuelan government that the United States is involved in coup plotting and destabilization are baseless and false.” Psaki then reiterated a bizarrely erroneous statement she had made during a daily press briefing just a day before: “The United States does not support political transitions by non-constitutional means.”
Anyone with minimal knowlege of Latin America and world history knows Psaki’s claim is false, and calls into question the veracity of any of her prior statements. The U.S. government has backed, encouraged and supported coup d’etats in Latin America and around the world for over a century. Some of the more notorious ones that have been openly acknowledged by former U.S. presidents and high level officials include coup d’etats against Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran in 1953, Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala in 1954, Patrice Lumumba in the Congo in 1960, Joao Goulart of Brazil in 1964 and Salvador Allende in Chile in 1973. More recently, in the twenty-first century, the U.S. government openly supported the coups against President Hugo Chavez in Venezuela in 2002, Jean Bertrand Aristide of Haiti in 2004 and Jose Manuel Zelaya of Honduras in 2009. Ample evidence of CIA and other U.S. agency involvement in all of these unconstitutional overthrows of democratically-elected governments abounds. What all of the overthrown leaders had in common was their unwillingness to bow to U.S. interests.
Despite bogus U.S. government claims, after Hugo Chavez was elected president of Venezuela by an overwhelming majority in 1998, and subsequently refused to take orders from Washington, he became a fast target of U.S. aggression. Though a U.S.-supported coup d’etat briefly overthrew Chavez in 2002, his subsequent rescue by millions of Venezuelans and loyal armed forces, and his return to power, only increased U.S. hostility towards the oil-rich nation. After Chavez’s death in 2013 from cancer, his democratically-elected successor, Nicolas Maduro, became the brunt of these attacks.
What follows is a brief summary of U.S. aggression towards Venezuela that clearly shows a one-sided war. Venezuela has never threatened or taken any kind of action to harm the United States or its interests. Nonetheless, Venezuela, under both Chavez and Maduro – two presidents who have exerted Venezuela’s sovereignty and right to self-determination – has been the ongoing victim of continuous, hostile and increasingly aggressive actions from Washington.
2002-2004
A coup d’etat against Chávez was carried out on April 11, 2002. Documents obtained under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) evidence a clear role of the U.S. government in the coup, as well as financial and political support for those Venezuelans involved.
A “lockout” and economic sabotage of Venezuela’s oil industry was imposed from December 2002 to February 2003. After the defeat of the coup against Chavez, the U.S. State Department issued a special fund via the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) to help the opposition continue efforts to overthrow Chavez. USAID set up an Office for Transition Initiatives (OTI) in Caracas, subcontracting U.S. defense contractor Development Alternatives Inc. (DAI) to oversee Venezuela operations and distribute millions of dollars to anti-government groups. The result was the “national strike” launched in December 2002 that brought the oil industry to the ground and devastated the economy. It lasted 64 days and caused more than $20 billion in damages. Nonetheless, the efforts failed to destabilize the Chavez government.
CIA Venezuela Destabilization Memo Surfaces
(in part)
On November 26, 2007 the Venezuelan government broadcast and circulated a confidential memo from the US embassy to the CIA which is devastatingly revealing of US clandestine operations and which will influence the referendum this Sunday, December 2, 2007.
The memo sent by an embassy official, Michael Middleton Steere, was addressed to the Director of Central Intelligence, Michael Hayden. The memo was entitled ‘Advancing to the Last Phase of Operation Pincer’ and updates the activity by a CIA unit with the acronym ‘HUMINT’ (Human Intelligence) which is engaged in clandestine action to destabilize the forth-coming referendum and coordinate the civil military overthrow of the elected Chavez government. The Embassy-CIA’s polls concede that 57 per cent of the voters approved of the constitutional amendments proposed by Chavez but also predicted a 60 per cent abstention.
The US operatives emphasized their capacity to recruit former Chavez supporters among the social democrats (PODEMOS) and the former Minister of Defense Baduel, claiming to have reduced the ‘yes’ vote by 6 per cent from its original margin. Nevertheless the Embassy operatives concede that they have reached their ceiling, recognizing they cannot defeat the amendments via the electoral route.
The memo then recommends that Operation Pincer (OP) [Operación Tenaza] be operationalized. OP involves a two-pronged strategy of impeding the referendum, rejecting the outcome at the same time as calling for a ‘no’ vote. The run up to the referendum includes running phony polls, attacking electoral officials and running propaganda through the private media accusing the government of fraud and calling for a ‘no’ vote. Contradictions, the report emphasizes, are of no matter.
Stupid of me to expect a reasonable answer is more like it.
Before or after Hugo's revolution? (not that it matters at all)
You have never heard of fixed elections? That is a US specialty. The thugs in the Ukraine won because the opposition was not allowed to put in any candidates, educate yourself and check it out if you don't believe me.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/rigged...ck-on-the-central-election-commission/5383843
The CEC representatives said they fully restored the system though hacktivists insist they still control the CEC network and the information transfer between central and district election commissions is blocked. According to the CyberBerkut website information (КиберБеркут | CyberBerkut) it will be impossible to collect accurate data about voting turnout and preliminary results from all poll stations in the country until the ballots are delivered to Kiev and counted manually.
So all preliminary announcements and results are false.
CyberBerkut reports the CEC electronic system was designed by the US-based world-known SOE Software company (Scytl Homepage - Scytl) that also provides its products to 34 US states’ election commissions.
Hackers are concerned that the Ukrainian election system has remained under control of the SOE Software administrators since its creation. The fact that SOE computer system was breached by a group of hackers casts shadow over the company’s reputation.
That would be the poor of the nation, the ones that were hit the hardest when the US was running the show down there. Bad typist, being a good typist (like you apparently) doesn't make you smart as you have shown. This place doesn't have enough drama for that, at least now that I know the players.
He is one of the lamest trolls I have ever seen. Doesn't elevate you IQ to not know that yourself, the opposite is you are clueless about who is who around here. See what antics you have to do to fit in? Go for it, I have some morals that forbids me from bragging up liars, all liars.
It certainly didn't last time or the revolt by Hugo would not have been needed and all the social programs for the poor would have already been in place. That goes for Cuba and Iran as well, probably more than you can handle now or anytime soon and if it never happens it is **** all to me in the short or long haul. The US hasn't changed the way it operates so save your fanticies for somebody who doesn't know better.
Actually the citizens were given those things once the international people were 'removed'. Look up the history of how 'they' handled that rejection.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-15240081
Ever think of trying somearticles by the locals rather than the ones who got the boot?
I doubt very much you read any links I provide.
You don't like the top portion or what??
"Sentenced to jail for many years, he was soon pardoned "
One or the other, it can't be both, not a great start to your proof.
"uncompromising attacks on political corruption and state incompetence "\
That is the US/IMF way of running things at home and abroad, strike 2.
"first term in office was marked by moderation in foreign policy and he was a frequent visitor to the US. "
In return the US tried a coup to remove him, with friends like that who needs enemies?
"domestic policy was more radical, with a particular focus on social programmes. These centred on "missions" dedicated to improving access to health, education, social security, food and land for the poorest sectors of society.
An alliance began to take shape with Cuba in order to fulfil these ambitions. His support among the poor soared."
"The prospect of "Chavismo" becoming permanently established in Venezuela created a backlash among those who had benefited from the old order.
A counter-revolution was soon under way and President Chavez was ousted from the presidential palace in April 2002.
The US did not plan the counter-revolution, but it almost certainly knew what was happening and did not warn the Venezuelan authorities."
That is when Miami got it's rich 'refugees'
Pure lies and that show the integrity of you fair and balanced reporting. Thanks for coming out but now you are fired. Back to the collective for you.
Obviously the US way was to help the rich and them alone, **** the rest.
"Domestically, Mr Chavez's targets included the traditional political class with its strong ties to the US. "
Unlike the US and it's Israeli influence he removed them and put patriots in those positions. You own article is damning, you should read it before posting.
At least it isn't a fantasy such as yours.
That is the way to discuss different viewpoints, insult people. What did I cherry pick? And how is the article deceptive?
........ in your opinion.
- That is all current stuff related to VE? Get a grip.
Lame-***.
I try finding objective and balanced info. You simply find stuff and cherry pick through it to see if it can support your lunatic rants.
It looks to me as if the Venezuelans rejected CIA interference. So what changed between 2007 or whenever and this election that all of a sudden they would allow CIA interference, as YOU suggest?
"Stupid is as stupid does" and "You reap what you sow". Keep saying stupid things and I will throw it right back.
Before.
Yes, I have heard of fixed elections. So how was THIS election fixed?
Ahh. Personally, I think the people of Venezuela were correct in their assessment that why conditions were as they were is because of their gov't's incompetence and its corruption. They viewed it that way regardless of the CIA attempts. Apparently they thought even without US interference, Perez's, Campins', and Lusinchi's gov'ts would have been corrupt and incompetent anyways.
Smart enough to usually edit what I type before posting it so it is clear as opposed to spewing what often turns out to be unintelligible gibberish.
I did notice that you love your drama.
meh Eaglesmack is ok. He does not troll all the time. You troll and you do not not troll all the time either. There are only a couple people that do.
You have no clue what my IQ is so whatever you say about it is meaningless.
EVERYONE lies. It is not a big deal. Your morals do not seem to keep you loving your neighbour as yourself, for instance.
The past is not now.
I have no idea what you mean.
Fantasies? WTF are you gibbering about? I asked a simple question.
Actually the citizens were given those things once the international people were 'removed'. Look up the history of how 'they' handled that rejection.
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Ever think of trying somearticles by the locals rather than the ones who got the boot?
I doubt very much you read any links I provide.
You don't like the top portion or what??
"Sentenced to jail for many years, he was soon pardoned "
One or the other, it can't be both, not a great start to your proof.
"uncompromising attacks on political corruption and state incompetence "\
That is the US/IMF way of running things at home and abroad, strike 2.
"first term in office was marked by moderation in foreign policy and he was a frequent visitor to the US. "
In return the US tried a coup to remove him, with friends like that who needs enemies?
"domestic policy was more radical, with a particular focus on social programmes. These centred on "missions" dedicated to improving access to health, education, social security, food and land for the poorest sectors of society.
An alliance began to take shape with Cuba in order to fulfil these ambitions. His support among the poor soared."
"The prospect of "Chavismo" becoming permanently established in Venezuela created a backlash among those who had benefited from the old order.
A counter-revolution was soon under way and President Chavez was ousted from the presidential palace in April 2002.
The US did not plan the counter-revolution, but it almost certainly knew what was happening and did not warn the Venezuelan authorities."
That is when Miami got it's rich 'refugees'
Pure lies and that show the integrity of you fair and balanced reporting. Thanks for coming out but now you are fired. Back to the collective for you.
Obviously the US way was to help the rich and them alone, **** the rest.
"Domestically, Mr Chavez's targets included the traditional political class with its strong ties to the US. "
Unlike the US and it's Israeli influence he removed them and put patriots in those positions. You own article is damning, you should read it before posting.
At least it isn't a fantasy such as yours.[/QUOTE]
The last time I saw you this happy was some incident in Syria that helped ISIS. It looks like this campaign is starting to show dividends. I can only imagine Libya was the model for the 'reconstruction' that follows once the IMF is running the money show. The 3% get richer and the 97% get shafted.
Same old same old.
Declassified CIA Manual Shows How US Uses Bureaucracy to Destabilize Governments
The World War II-era document, called Simple Sabotage Field Manual, outlines ways in which operatives can disrupt and demoralize enemy administrators and police forces. The first section of the document, which can be read in its entirety here, addresses “Organizations and Conferences” — and how to turn them into a “dysfunctional mess”:
On its official webpage, the CIA boasts about finding innovative ways to bring about sabotage, calling their tactics for destabilization “surprisingly relevant.” While they admit that some of the ideas may seem a bit outdated, they claim that “Together they are a reminder of how easily productivity and order can be undermined.”
- Insist on doing everything through “channels.” Never permit short-cuts to be taken in order to expedite decisions.
- Make “speeches.” Talk as frequently as possible and at great length. Illustrate your “points” by long anecdotes and accounts of personal experiences.
- When possible, refer all matters to committees, for “further study and consideration.” Attempt to make the committee as large as possible — never less than five.
- Bring up irrelevant issues as frequently as possible.
- Haggle over precise wordings of communications, minutes, resolutions.
- Refer back to matters decided upon at the last meeting and attempt to re-open the question of the advisability of that decision.
- Advocate “caution.” Be “reasonable” and urge your fellow-conferees to be “reasonable” and avoid haste which might result in embarrassments or difficulties later on.
Finally, the guide presents protocol for how saboteur-employees can disrupt enemy operations, too:
- In a second section targeted at manager-saboteurs, the guide lists the following tactical moves:
- In making work assignments, always sign out the unimportant jobs first. See that important jobs are assigned to inefficient workers.
- Insist on perfect work in relatively unimportant products; send back for refinishing those which have the least flaw.
- To lower morale and with it, production, be pleasant to inefficient workers; give them undeserved promotions.
- Hold conferences when there is more critical work to be done.
- Multiply the procedures and clearances involved in issuing instructions, paychecks, and so on. See that three people have to approve everything where one would do.
The CIA is proud of its Kafkaesque field manual and evidently still views it as an unorthodox but effective form of destabilizing enemy operations around the world. Of course, so too might an anarchist or revolutionary look at such tactics and view them in the context of disrupting certain domestic power structures, many of which are already built like a bureaucratic house of cards.
- Work slowly.
- Contrive as many interruptions to your work as you can.
- Do your work poorly and blame it on bad tools, machinery, or equipment. Complain that these things are preventing you from doing your job right.
- Never pass on your skill and experience to a new or less skillful worker.
Well the leftys definitely took that part of the manual to heart. That is what they have managed to do to every western democracy in the last 50 years.
None too soon either.
That is the way to discuss different viewpoints, insult people. What did I cherry pick? And how is the article deceptive?
........ in your opinion.
That is all current stuff related to the VE election? Get a grip.
Lame-***.
I try finding objective and balanced info. You simply find stuff and cherry pick through it to see if it can support your lunatic rants.
It looks to me as if the Venezuelans rejected CIA interference. So what changed between 2007 or whenever and this election that all of a sudden they would allow CIA interference, as YOU suggest?
"Stupid is as stupid does" and "You reap what you sow". Keep saying stupid things and I will throw it right back.
Before.
Yes, I have heard of fixed elections. So how was THIS election fixed?
Ahh. Personally, I think the people of Venezuela were correct in their assessment that why conditions were as they were is because of their gov't's incompetence and its corruption. They viewed it that way regardless of the CIA attempts. Apparently they thought even without US interference, Perez's, Campins', and Lusinchi's gov'ts would have been corrupt and incompetent anyways. Smart enough to usually edit what I type before posting it so it is clear as opposed to spewing what often turns out to be unintelligible gibberish. I did notice that you love your drama.
meh Eaglesmack is ok. He does not troll all the time. You troll and you do not not troll all the time either. There are only a couple people that do.
You have no clue what my IQ is so whatever you say about it is meaningless.
EVERYONE lies. It is not a big deal. Your morals do not seem to keep you loving your neighbour as yourself, for instance.
The past is not now. I have no idea what you mean. Fantasies? WTF are you gibbering about? I asked a simple question.
The Brits paired up with the CIA in VE? The link I provided was from the BBC, not a USA news source you jackass.
Some of them.
What. I was assuming that you would read the top portion in order to get to the bottom portion. DUH
Yup. I read that, too.
Proof? Again, WTF are you talking about. I said Chavez's popularity started on good footing and then it went downhill from there. And the dude that followed Chavez was pathetic. So it is no freakin wonder the Venezuelans wanted something different. I really doubt the CIA had to do anything to push Venezuelans to vote the way they did.
Idiot. You think the Chavez gov't was incompetent and corrupt because of the USA/IMF?
But yet you seem to think he invited the USA to come and corrupt his gov't and somehow make him incompetent as a governor.
Yup. I read that, too.
Yup. I read that, too.
Lies? hahaha As opposed to the ones you regurgitate from those people that write articles while wearing their foil hats?
yeeeeaaaah So? I thought the entire planet knew the USUAL modus operandi of the USA.
I did. I read it from top to bottom and in that order, not the order in which you replied. You wandered all over the article aimlessly. I do not backpedal from what I said. Chavez started out with hero status, but then it went downhill.
My fantasy? My fantasy is that jackasses like you, Cannucklehead, et al stick to topics. You even started gibbering about the ME in this topic.
Just sayin' =)
........ in your opinion.
That is all current stuff related to the VE election? Get a grip.
Lame-***.
I try finding objective and balanced info. You simply find stuff and cherry pick through it to see if it can support your lunatic rants.
It looks to me as if the Venezuelans rejected CIA interference. So what changed between 2007 or whenever and this election that all of a sudden they would allow CIA interference, as YOU suggest?
"Stupid is as stupid does" and "You reap what you sow". Keep saying stupid things and I will throw it right back.
Before.
Yes, I have heard of fixed elections. So how was THIS election fixed?
Ahh. Personally, I think the people of Venezuela were correct in their assessment that why conditions were as they were is because of their gov't's incompetence and its corruption. They viewed it that way regardless of the CIA attempts. Apparently they thought even without US interference, Perez's, Campins', and Lusinchi's gov'ts would have been corrupt and incompetent anyways. Smart enough to usually edit what I type before posting it so it is clear as opposed to spewing what often turns out to be unintelligible gibberish. I did notice that you love your drama.
meh Eaglesmack is ok. He does not troll all the time. You troll and you do not not troll all the time either. There are only a couple people that do.
You have no clue what my IQ is so whatever you say about it is meaningless.
EVERYONE lies. It is not a big deal. Your morals do not seem to keep you loving your neighbour as yourself, for instance.
The past is not now. I have no idea what you mean. Fantasies? WTF are you gibbering about? I asked a simple question.
The Brits paired up with the CIA in VE? The link I provided was from the BBC, not a USA news source you jackass.
Some of them.
What. I was assuming that you would read the top portion in order to get to the bottom portion. DUH
Yup. I read that, too.
Proof? Again, WTF are you talking about. I said Chavez's popularity started on good footing and then it went downhill from there. And the dude that followed Chavez was pathetic. So it is no freakin wonder the Venezuelans wanted something different. I really doubt the CIA had to do anything to push Venezuelans to vote the way they did.
Idiot. You think the Chavez gov't was incompetent and corrupt because of the USA/IMF?
But yet you seem to think he invited the USA to come and corrupt his gov't and somehow make him incompetent as a governor.
Yup. I read that, too.
Yup. I read that, too.
Lies? hahaha As opposed to the ones you regurgitate from those people that write articles while wearing their foil hats?
yeeeeaaaah So? I thought the entire planet knew the USUAL modus operandi of the USA.
I did. I read it from top to bottom and in that order, not the order in which you replied. You wandered all over the article aimlessly. I do not backpedal from what I said. Chavez started out with hero status, but then it went downhill.
My fantasy? My fantasy is that jackasses like you, Cannucklehead, et al stick to topics. You even started gibbering about the ME in this topic.
Just sayin' =)
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How about your link, you mentioned only the latter part was important yet all my references were from the beginning and it included a bold-faced lie about the coup in 2002. I don't expect you to admit it but that is telling all by itself. You will nullify the parts you don't want to see.
Sure it is, it is 2002 only this time the takeover succeeded, at least for the moment. Perhaps it is you that needs to get a grip on reality.
You forgot to point those things out from the links (and quotes) I posted, if I am doing that it would be easy to point out. It certainly was easy for me to point out your cherry picked part while the rest supported my opinion as to what the facts were.
At least I can find support for 'my rants', you seem to be batting zero as far as support and 100% in what you wish was reality. Not my job to educate you and to educate anybody you first have to know more than the other person. So far you are coming up way short.
You mean 2002 don't you as that is when the failed coup was. You don't have to have a big IQ to see how the US was acting since then , unless your eyes are wide shut which seems to be the case. Not my job to open them either so deal with that condition on your own time.
Whatever.
Same way it was done in the Ukraine, that is why I posted it, doh.
So one letter off in 'big' was enough to throw you into total confusion, sound like you are trying to see some swampland as being a tropical isle.
He's an ******* from square a to square z. You may like to coddle up to liars, I have no use for them at all and my posts reflect that
It might be an indication of why you have views that are so against facts that are recorded in many authentic documents.
Speak for yourself and don't try to pass you imperfection onto me because I'm not a liar in any form. Before you tell me what I should be doing you might want to read the actual verses for yourself instead of blabbing something that doesn't exist. It would also include all liars.
1Co:5:11:
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
Without change the past repeats itself, the US hasn't reformed itself, it is more desperate than ever.
Your editing prevents me from doing the rest of your reply.
Their papers in both counties are owned by the same people. The BBC doesn't seem to be aware of the coup atttempt, so much for you source being accurate about that not so little tid-bit.
So why didn't you cover the top part, oh yeah it was in conflict with you conclusions and that would have required back-pedaling. That never looks good on any resume.
Sure you did that is why you have so many comments about any of them.
He was still in office due to his popularity when he died so what 'something different' are you referencing. Feel free to add some facts to support you answers from now on, you unsupported opinions are a little dry and quite useless as far as being educational.
You don't read very well do you. Your article said the place was corrupt and incompetent before Hugo, that would be the IMF/USA running (ruining really) the place. Please try to keep up as that if from your own link, right near the top so you either didn't read it ot you just missed it as it didn't fit in with your 'view' which is obviously slanted.
I thought you read your posts and fixed them before posting. Go ahead and post where I indicated that was the case. You have been watching ES's style of posting as you are picking up his habits.
Sure ya did
Sure ya did, complete blank on all articles though, not a huge surprise.
Such as??
Except for the majority of members here, that is part of the appeal of this place, clueless is a common trait and people seem to be quite proud of that aspect.
How many votes was he ahead in the last election he ran in?? The answer will show you don't have a clue or (most likely) you just lie when the facts don't support your fantasy.
Think of it as multi-tasking.
More like a case of this.
Maduro's Party Says Venezuelan Opposition Has 'Hidden Agenda'
"With this hidden agenda they come for the social gains we have built for over 15 years with the progressive governments of Hugo Chavez (1999-2013) and Nicolas Maduro," Rodriguez said.
According to Rodriguez, the US position and its allies in Venezuela determined the PSUV defeat.
New Parliament Majority to Help US Regain Control of Venezuela Oil Sector
"They will work to ensure that the US empire regains control over Venezuela's oil wealth and will seek to dismantle social programs that we have promoted, so there will be confrontation," Rodriguez said.
He added that the Venezuelan government "endured two years of economic war waged by the empire [the United States] and local bourgeoisie, and now they come with the goal of changing what we accomplished over [the last] 15 years."
