Muslim woman attacked in Toronto, told to ‘go back to your country’: police

Jinentonix

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As opposed to all those who are for bringing them here but have all kinds of excuses as to why they themselves won't be opening up their homes to any. So far not one person I've asked has said they will. No one on here. No one on another forum I read. None of the commenters on CBC. None of the politicians. No one I've spoken to in person.


Here's a sample of the excuses I hear; The house isn't big enough. We have extended family staying with us. I'd have to give up my library/study,(that's one of my faves). And of course there are those who just try to avoid answering the question at all. And that's coming from people who support bringing them here.
So once again it's a case of "We have to do something, just as long as I don't have to put myself out for it."


We've all heard of the expression, "Those who can't, teach". Well this is a case of "Those who won't, preach."
 

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As opposed to all those who are for bringing them here but have all kinds of excuses as to why they themselves won't be opening up their homes to any. So far not one person I've asked has said they will. No one on here. No one on another forum I read. None of the commenters on CBC. None of the politicians. No one I've spoken to in person.


Here's a sample of the excuses I hear; The house isn't big enough. We have extended family staying with us. I'd have to give up my library/study,(that's one of my faves). And of course there are those who just try to avoid answering the question at all. And that's coming from people who support bringing them here.
So once again it's a case of "We have to do something, just as long as I don't have to put myself out for it."


We've all heard of the expression, "Those who can't, teach". Well this is a case of "Those who won't, preach."
Kinda like people who support going to war, but ain't headed for the recruiting station.

You can accept that there's a difference between personal circumstances and national policies, or you can decry as a hypocrite anybody who supports something they aren't willing to personally undergo considerable expense and effort for.

The second is legitimate. I got no problem with it, though I disagree.

BUT:

If you're going to decry as a hypocrite somebody who's not willing to spend his "life, fortune, and sacred honor" on every opinion he holds, you might could wanna start by taking a hard look in the mirror and making sure you meet the same standard you're bashing them for failing.
 

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It is sad to see this kind of vigilante behavior. But this on top of the Mosque in Peterborough being burned - there could be a lot more such attacks. The backlash against more Muslim refugees is growing.
That area of Toronto is a Muslim area. Perhaps the attack was by Muslim men? Two non-Muslims going into that area would not be welcome and would be spotted and noted. If they were non-Muslims they obviously went into the area for the purpose of attacking someone. It shouldn't be hard to figure out what the motive was.
It is pretty cowardly of two young men to attack and assault a woman regardless of who she is.
 

Jinentonix

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Kinda like people who support going to war, but ain't headed for the recruiting station.

You can accept that there's a difference between personal circumstances and national policies, or you can decry as a hypocrite anybody who supports something they aren't willing to personally undergo considerable expense and effort for.

The second is legitimate. I got no problem with it, though I disagree.

BUT:

If you're going to decry as a hypocrite somebody who's not willing to spend his "life, fortune, and sacred honor" on every opinion he holds, you might could wanna start by taking a hard look in the mirror and making sure you meet the same standard you're bashing them for failing.
You missed the important part. It's not about the opinions they hold, it's about their insistence that anyone/everyone else except them should do something about it. It's called "being free with someone else's money".
It's pretty easy to be charitable when it doesn't cost you a thing out of pocket or a moment of your time.
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It is sad to see this kind of vigilante behavior. But this on top of the Mosque in Peterborough being burned - there could be a lot more such attacks. The backlash against more Muslim refugees is growing.
That area of Toronto is a Muslim area. Perhaps the attack was by Muslim men? Two non-Muslims going into that area would not be welcome and would be spotted and noted. If they were non-Muslims they obviously went into the area for the purpose of attacking someone. It shouldn't be hard to figure out what the motive was.
It is pretty cowardly of two young men to attack and assault a woman regardless of who she is.

Are you a Zimmerman?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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You missed the important part. It's not about the opinions they hold, it's about their insistence that anyone/everyone else except them should do something about it. It's called "being free with someone else's money".
Wrong, but thanks for playing.

They are not, in fact, expecting "everyone else" to do something about it. They are expecting Canada to do something about it. Using Canadian money, garnered through taxes, which they presumably pay as much as anybody does.

I'm sorry, but this is BS, Jin. Canada has a treasury, and a budget. Everybody more or less contributes to it, and everybody more or less gets a say (through voting, commenting, protesting, writing to their Members, whatever) in how it's spent.

You're perfectly free to disagree with other folks' notions of how the money should be spent. But their opinions are just as legitimate as yours. That's all I'm saying. Calling them wrong is fine. Calling them hypocrites exposes you to Newton's Third Law.

It's pretty easy to be charitable when it doesn't cost you a thing out of pocket or a moment of your time.
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It's pretty easy to be pro-war when it ain't your a*s on the line.
 

Jinentonix

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Wrong, but thanks for playing.

They are not, in fact, expecting "everyone else" to do something about it.
Wrong. If you're going to try and play, at least understand the rules. More than once, politicians at various levels have appealed to Canadians to open their homes to these extra refugees. How many of THEM will be opening their homes? Considering how many of them at the higher levels will have vacant homes while Parliament is in session, I'm still guessing none of them will.
They are expecting Canada to do something about it.
Nope, they are expecting individual Canadians to step up to the plate and put themselves out.
Using Canadian money, garnered through taxes, which they presumably pay as much as anybody does.
Yeah, but being civil servants they take out way more than they put in.

I'm sorry, but this is BS, Jin. Canada has a treasury, and a budget. Everybody more or less contributes to it, and everybody more or less gets a say (through voting, commenting, protesting, writing to their Members, whatever) in how it's spent.
Really? You seriously think that politicians listen to anything the voters say unless they're busy pandering to them? No, it's lobbyists that get the say in how the money is spent. Just like in America.
You're perfectly free to disagree with other folks' notions of how the money should be spent. But their opinions are just as legitimate as yours. That's all I'm saying. Calling them wrong is fine. Calling them hypocrites exposes you to Newton's Third Law.
Wrong again. They're arguing from a position of emotion. Their ideological beliefs float along with whatever the flavor of the month is. They're hypocrites because they waffle on about how we stole this land from the Natives, trip over themselves to support Native land claims and then forget all about them as they insist we bring in more people to live on "stolen land". How is that not hypocritical?
It's pretty easy to be pro-war when it ain't your a*s on the line.
Who said I was pro-war? Don't be making sh*t up now.
 

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I don't think anyone non-violent should be subjected to violence. But I think the media was hanging on edge, desperate for some story, any story, of people being mean to a Muslim so they could trumpet it in big headlines to make people feel sorry for them. How many people from other groups were insulted or attacked in the last week? How many Jews were spat on by Muslims or white people beat up by blacks or blacks treated in a racist manner by whites or by natives, or whatever?
 

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Wrong, but thanks for playing.

They are not, in fact, expecting "everyone else" to do something about it. They are expecting Canada to do something about it. Using Canadian money, garnered through taxes, which they presumably pay as much as anybody does.

I'm sorry, but this is BS, Jin. Canada has a treasury, and a budget. Everybody more or less contributes to it, and everybody more or less gets a say (through voting, commenting, protesting, writing to their Members, whatever) in how it's spent.

You're perfectly free to disagree with other folks' notions of how the money should be spent. But their opinions are just as legitimate as yours. That's all I'm saying. Calling them wrong is fine. Calling them hypocrites exposes you to Newton's Third Law.


It's pretty easy to be pro-war when it ain't your a*s on the line.

You need to back off regarding your assumptions about Canada and carefully worded apologies for liberals yankee boy.