Religious leaders butthurt over doctor assisted suicide

[DaSleeper]

Just like the existence of god.

Your first statement I suspected ignorance...
Your second one assured me of it!

 

[PoliticalNick]

I would be interested to know Coldstream how you reconcile this position that all life is sacred with the facts about how many people have been killed in the name of your god. From the the beginning of Judaism to the crusades to the inquisition to today's war on terrorism (read Islam) more people have been murdered using your god and his will as the basis than any other cause. It has been a 400 year campaign of genocide and mass murder to promote the god of Abraham as the one and only true god. I find it ludicrous that an organization with such a history of murder wants to have us believe it promotes the sanctity of life.

Your first statement I suspected ignorance...
Your second one assured me of it!

I could say the same about anyone who believes in any religion. It is quite evident there is no truth in any of them in regards to gods and their powers. Blind faith is nothing more than willful ignorance of reality.

 

[Frankiedoodle]

I had to face the reality of whether assisted death or letting things run their course.
My Mom passed away a few months. She "suffered" from advanced dementia and brest cancer in which the tumour was the size of my fist. I know that it was the size of my fist because it was stretching the skin. Mom unable to make decisions on her own so I signed the Health Care Directive
I was torn, I didn't want to lose my Mom but she was in a Catholic Health Facility so assisted death would never happen. She had always taken excellent care of her teeth. They were rotted when she passed. Her teeth also were ground down to the nub. She had been told not to scream so she would grind her teeth.
She was my Mom but I swear she had a DNR, that wasn't enough. She was suffereing so badly I hope that I would have arranged her passing myself.

 

[AnnaG]

Yeah. I see no compassion in extending the life of someone in extreme suffering when there is nothing to cure them. Making them comfortable is the best you can do until they go out or want to go out.

 

[Twila]

oops, wrong thread. :/

 

[coldstream]

And why is that? Is this "sanctity of human life" not important enough to prolong life? Is the compassion taught by Christianity not for easing suffering?
Hypocritical crap. If anything is evil it is these aggressive cults like CHristianity and its malevolent and hypocritical god, Yaweh.
And how did this watering down of the value of life come about? It surely could not be because of the incredible size of population, could it? What happens when you bake a few cupcakes? You enjoy one now and then. What happens when you bake 5 dozen? You lose your pleasure in eating them.
"Be fruitful and multiply, fill the Earth ...." till there are so many people they do not value each other any longer. If you lived in a rural area and do not see dozens of people every day, you tend to enjoy them when you do see them. If you live in a big city where you can see hundreds every day and are constantly inundated with people honking horns and urging you to buy stuff and shooting at each other, the treasuring of human life is eroded. "And God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and ....." Genesis 8:17

uhuh How do you heal a terminal patient?



hehe It is all part of evolution; you, me, Ludlow, selfsame, the pope, Trudeau, science, cults, politics, etc. We are evolving and will be what we will be.
Death is simply death. People fear it because it is an unknown - we know so little about it. Might as well focus on life while we are alive.

Christianity does no such thing. People have been trying to pound the myth and mysticism out of it for centuries. Its biggest fault is sticking to its mysticism and trying to keep creation rather than science to explain the realities of the universe.

Life and its diversity is supreme, not individual lives.

More sophistry from the Dark Side. I've stated before that Christian ethics deems suffering to be inevitable with life. Its redeeming and sanctifying quality goes to the essence and origins of the Christian faith in the Imitation of Christ.

Life was never intended to be bland, uneventful, unchallenging, comfortable OR not worth living. That's the lies of the Dark Forces that are now in control of the Western zeitgeist.. in its idols of 'diversity' and 'subjectivity of morals' and 'inclusion' of any and all aspects of manifest evil. There message is that life has no meaning or purpose.. it is simply a path to oblivion. Its only saving 'grace' is in material or sexual gratification. Prolonging it any but ideal circumstances is futile and expensive.

Have no doubt that the Christianity and Western Civilization are of a unified constitution and corpus. If Christianity collapses in the West.. so will our civilization into a deep and prolonged horror. And frankly it is become unrecognizable now as the post structural amorality has descended on the culture as the presiding ethos.

The myth of the intolerable end of life process is just that. That people have been dying since the start of time. Only in the last 30 years has the Cult of Death imposed the necessity of suicide as the 'remedy'. It's pathetic and gutless. People have been committing suicide for the entirety of the human existence as well.. but only in societies in fragmenting collapse is it celebrated and orchestrated by the state... and deemed to be anything but cowardice and failure of human potential and responsibility.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

More sophistry from the Dark Side. I've stated before that Christian ethics deems suffering to be inevitable with life. Its redeeming and sanctifying quality goes to the essence and origins of the Christian faith in the Imitation of Christ.

Life was never intended to be bland, uneventful, unchallenging, comfortable OR not worth living. That's the lies of the Dark Forces that are now in control of the Western zeitgeist.. in its idols of 'diversity' and 'subjectivity of morals' and 'inclusion' of any and all aspects of manifest evil. There message is that life has no meaning or purpose.. it is simply a path to oblivion. Its only saving 'grace' is in material or sexual gratification. Prolonging it any but ideal circumstances is futile and expensive.

Have no doubt that the Christianity and Western Civilization are of a unified constitution and corpus. If Christianity collapses in the West.. so will our civilization into a deep and prolonged horror. And frankly it become unrecognizable now as the post structural amorality has imposed itself on the culture.

The myth of the intolerable end of life process is just that. That people have been dying since the start of time. Only in the last 30 years has the Cult of Death imposed the necessity of suicide as the 'remedy'. It's pathetic and gutless. People have been committing suicide for the entirety of the human existence as well.. but only in societies in fragmenting collapse is it celebrated and orchestrated by the state... and deemed to be anything but cowardice and failure of human potential and responsibility.

If you're an example of the joy of Christ's love, I'm glad I gave it up as a bad business, because you are one pure streak of misery.

 

[AnnaG]

More sophistry from the Dark Side. I've stated before that Christian ethics deems suffering to be inevitable with life. Its redeeming and sanctifying quality goes to the essence and origins of the Christian faith in the Imitation of Christ.

Life was never intended to be bland, uneventful, unchallenging, comfortable OR not worth living. That's the lies of the Dark Forces that are now in control of the Western zeitgeist.. in its idols of 'diversity' and 'subjectivity of morals' and 'inclusion' of any and all aspects of manifest evil. There message is that life has no meaning or purpose.. it is simply a path to oblivion. Its only saving 'grace' is in material or sexual gratification. Prolonging it any but ideal circumstances is futile and expensive.

Ahhh So that is how your cult could rationalise torturing witches, homosexuals, unbelievers, and left-handed people. It is just a part of life.
We do not really need hospitals and first-aid kits because we are meant to suffer. Why bother even eating and keeping hydrated then (rhetorical question)? It is not conducive to being a good Christian.

Have no doubt that the Christianity and Western Civilization are of a unified constitution and corpus. If Christianity collapses in the West.. so will our civilization into a deep and prolonged horror. And frankly it unrecognizable now the post structural morality the West to which the West is conforming itself.

meh I doubt almost everything you say.

The myth of the intolerable end of life process is just that. That people have been dying since the start of time. Only in the last 30 years has the Cult of Death imposed the necessity of suicide as the 'remedy'. It's pathetic and gutless. People have been committing suicide for the entirety of the human existence.. but only in societies in fragmenting collapse is it celebrated and orchestrated by the state... and deemed it as anything but cowardice and failure.

wow You sure are a twisted individual. I am impressed.

 

[Ludlow]

Ahhh So that is how your cult could rationalise torturing witches, homosexuals, unbelievers, and left-handed people. It is just a part of life.
We do not really need hospitals and first-aid kits because we are meant to suffer. Why bother even eating and keeping hydrated then (rhetorical question)? It is not conducive to being a good Christian.

meh I doubt almost everything you say.

wow You sure are a twisted individual. I am impressed.

If you mention the "iniquity" of the past concerning certain religions, it is as if you've installed earplugs in them. They will not acknowledge the truth of history. Because of fear.

 

[AnnaG]

If you mention the "iniquity" of the past concerning certain religions, it is as if you've installed earplugs in them. They will not acknowledge the truth of history. Because of fear.

I know. The truly brainwashed and conditioned cannot grasp alternate concepts and new ideas. The ability to learn is severely crippled and the view is through a pinhole.

 

[Ludlow]

What is truly ironic to me, is the fact that whatever happened in history, should not have been a surprise. People really need to read.

 

[Twila]

More sophistry from the Dark Side. I've stated before that Christian ethics deems suffering to be inevitable with life. Its redeeming and sanctifying quality goes to the essence and origins of the Christian faith in the Imitation of Christ.

So god sacrifices himself to appease himself of his own desire to spill blood and becomes his own loophole to a rule he himself created that said all people must suffer forever because 2 naked people were tricked by a talking snake into eating a fruit? and this all makes sense to you, eh?

 

[Ludlow]

More sophistry from the Dark Side. I've stated before that Christian ethics deems suffering to be inevitable with life. Its redeeming and sanctifying quality goes to the essence and origins of the Christian faith in the Imitation of Christ.

Life was never intended to be bland, uneventful, unchallenging, comfortable OR not worth living. That's the lies of the Dark Forces that are now in control of the Western zeitgeist.. in its idols of 'diversity' and 'subjectivity of morals' and 'inclusion' of any and all aspects of manifest evil. There message is that life has no meaning or purpose.. it is simply a path to oblivion. Its only saving 'grace' is in material or sexual gratification. Prolonging it any but ideal circumstances is futile and expensive.

Have no doubt that the Christianity and Western Civilization are of a unified constitution and corpus. If Christianity collapses in the West.. so will our civilization into a deep and prolonged horror. And frankly it is become unrecognizable now as the post structural amorality has descended on the culture as the presiding ethos.

The myth of the intolerable end of life process is just that. That people have been dying since the start of time. Only in the last 30 years has the Cult of Death imposed the necessity of suicide as the 'remedy'. It's pathetic and gutless. People have been committing suicide for the entirety of the human existence as well.. but only in societies in fragmenting collapse is it celebrated and orchestrated by the state... and deemed to be anything but cowardice and failure of human potential and responsibility.

Problem is,,,it is not he that you are imitating

 

[coldstream]

It's worth noting that the most vocal opponents of 'assisted' suicide are organizations of disabled people and their advocates. They know where this will end, in the elimination of those who provide no tangible economic benefit and impose an economic cost on society.. those with no voice. There is a clear trajectory in this court ruling towards holocaust.. and war.

So god sacrifices himself to appease himself of his own desire to spill blood and becomes his own loophole to a rule he himself created that said all people must suffer forever because 2 naked people were tricked by a talking snake into eating a fruit? and this all makes sense to you, eh?

It makes perfect sense. Not only does it encompass and organize the full comprehensive expanse of human experience into an integrated moral structure.. but Christianity itself is a theological necessity in infusing it with mission and meaning. Something to which no other religion has attained or even aspired.

 

[Ludlow]

tree stump

 

[coldstream]

asparagus

 

[AnnaG]

It's worth noting that the most vocal opponents of 'assisted' suicide are organizations of disabled people and their advocates.

Specifically who and/or which ones?

They know where this will end, in the elimination of those who provide no tangible economic benefit and impose an economic cost on society.. those with no voice. There is a clear trajectory in this court ruling towards holocaust.. and war.

:roll: Dude you must watch too many "Soylent Green", "Logan's Run", "THX 1138", "The Island", etc. type movies.

It makes perfect sense. Not only does it encompass and organize the full comprehensive expanse of human experience into an integrated moral structure.. but Christianity itself is a theological necessity in infusing it with mission and meaning. Something to which no other religion has attained or even aspired.

It may make perfect sense to you, but then not everyone is an archaic and draconian Inquisitor.