Capitalism can not eradicate poverty
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there have been communist countries, but they're usually attacked by capitalists before they have a chance.
workers have never owned the means of production in any capitalist country , who knows what you're on about.
this is correct, in a capitalist economy one of the inherent features is that of labour being turned into a commodity. when workers do not own the means of production, their next step is to turn to the capitalists who have monopolized the means of production. they must sell their labour to the capitalist, or else face hardships of starvation and homelessness. this is why i hate when libertarians talk about work being voluntary.
The brain is 87% sea water. It's the sea that has to be parted. It's split in two pieces, the mind 9s in between the halves and slightly down from the horizontal and a little bit tword the back.. The brain makes good sandwhich meat.
Right on cue. Sorry Boomster, but you will just have to read my book if you want an explanation. Let's just say physical reality is not all there is. Or, you could go to the Amazon and find a shaman to administer ayahuasca to enlighten you.
http://www.soul-herbs.com/ayawaska/
Work is manditory in the material realm. This is why the individual must control his or her work. Fuller enjoyment of the material realm requires soverign labour. Every minute must be spent on personal developement and related appendages and extensions. Surplus is an inefficiency.
Sure good points. IT's ironic that capitalists say individualism should be treated as utmost importance when in reality we're just consumerist cogs in a machine in this system.
You're just not a contributing member of society unless you are a mindless consumer, doncha know?
I note that you seem somehow unable to actually name one of these fairylands.
And the "we were Paradise until the big, bad capitalists attacked us!" is getting pretty tiring. I think somebody needs a juice box and a cookie.
I agree.
Nope. Your memory is not in good health, huh? From the beginning of this thread, I have stated my opinion that whatever ideology humans can come up with is not perfect. Not one is better than all the others. That is my claim. YOUR claim is that communism works. I asked for evidence supporting your claim and you get all pouty. You want evidence from me, you have to show some, too. THAT is the way debate works.
there have been communist countries, but they're usually attacked by capitalists before they have a chance. Oh? Name a few?
Liar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_employee-owned_companies
WOW! I wonder how early hominids and even early H. Sapiens ever survived without wages.
Zombies eat brains. =)The brain is 87% sea water. It's the sea that has to be parted. It's split in two pieces, the mind 9s in between the halves and slightly down from the horizontal and a little bit tword the back.. The brain makes good sandwhich meat.
Global Free Market Capitalism will ALWAYS produce a vast polarization of wealth.. the establishment of a permanent underclass, now on an international scale.. which will allow corporate pools of capital to exploit workers.. under threat of impoverishment.
There are alternatives.. aside from Communism... which is just another form of tyranny. A system.. built on a national scale.. with regulated markets.. public ownership of natural monopolies (energy, communication, transportation infrastructures).. strict control of currency exchange and credit.. effective tariffs with the intent of full, fairly compensated and dignified employment.. ownership of the means and fruits of their labour by workers.. progressive tax systems ensuring an equitable distribution of wealth..will produce as close as possible a true Free Enterprise System. It's an articulated system known as the National System (or American System), Distributism.. or the 'Third' Way.
We had a system close to that in the 25 years following WW2 which produced the greatest growth in popularly shared wealth in the history of the world.. before the greed infested capitalist hordes took it over for their own benefit (with Reaganomic Trickle Down, and Free Trade, and Privatization and DeRegulation and regressive taxation).
There are alternatives.. aside from Communism... which is just another form of tyranny. A system.. built on a national scale.. with regulated markets.. public ownership of natural monopolies (energy, communication, transportation infrastructures).. strict control of currency exchange and credit.. effective tariffs with the intent of full, fairly compensated and dignified employment.. ownership of the means and fruits of their labour by workers.. progressive tax systems ensuring an equitable distribution of wealth..will produce as close as possible a true Free Enterprise System. It's an articulated system known as the National System (or American System), Distributism.. or the 'Third' Way.
We had a system close to that in the 25 years following WW2 which produced the greatest growth in popularly shared wealth in the history of the world.. before the greed infested capitalist hordes took it over for their own benefit (with Reaganomic Trickle Down, and Free Trade, and Privatization and DeRegulation and regressive taxation).
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Most people are, yes.
Ahhh, in other words you are suggesting a "free" enterprise controlled by an unbelievably huge government. I am not sure if you know this but governments tend to get exponentially less efficient the larger they get. Where does the money for that come from? Any or all the surplus that comes from "free" enterprise would go to feed "big brother". Not from me or hubby, though. You can have your Brave New World, Logan's Run-, Hunger Games-, Metropolis-, etc.-type worlds. Hubby and I will be fine on the outside of the wall.
The demonization of government is very much a part of the libertarian capitalist patter. It trades on the word 'Free' while imposing a vicious form of corporate tyranny and exploitation on vast populations. It is utterly amoral and avaricious.
We need government.. we need good, moral, responsible, wise national governments. And we haven't had anything like it decades, Liberal or Conservative.. and we don't have one now with the Liberals.
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YOU are sure one to talk about demonisation, huh? hahaha
Anyways, no I am not a libertarian nor am I a corporatist (I actually am close to loathing corporations and their control over gov'ts actually. If you actually read my posts, that fact is quite evident). I am much more complex than that. BUT, I do believe in minimalist governments. Unless governments are small, they tend to be inefficient, expensive, and redundant.
Governments are fine if they satisfy societal needs and wishes. If not, they are useless. I agree that very few governments on the planet cater to their populace adequately, though. And that is one reason why I would prefer small gov't.
Well, I am not into clairvoyance, so you go right ahead and predict whatever you want.
There is one that treats interest on money a certain way. The original instructions are quite straight forward and to update them would be quite easy and it would even allow for corporations to be classified as 'a person' but it should be after all people are equal rather than corporations getting rights before some people do.
It is also flexible because there is an automatic solution that adjusts for lean years compared to a bountiful harvest year.
It makes money an essential service so it is not run as a business looking for a profit. Banking becomes a tool that the rich use to help them pursue their businesses and that is who pays for the services because they are the ones that use 99% of the transactions that need to be recorded.