Canada's Federal Election 2015: The Official Thread

B00Mer

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Re: New Conservative campaign ad sums up election in one word. A Mercer Report exclus

Don't be silly. PEI beaches are far to cold in January.

"We had to cancel our Florida trip this year." didn't hear a specify month Mercers trip was for. I travel to Florida several times a year. Just Sayin.

I'd rather ski, snowmobile in the winter. Dammit boy!! Go ski Grouse Mountain (Vancouver, BC).. take the Skyride to the top..

www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Gl2zSIo9A
 

Cannuck

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Re: New Conservative campaign ad sums up election in one word. A Mercer Report exclus

"We had to cancel our Florida trip this year." didn't hear a specify month Mercers trip was for. I travel to Florida several times a year. Just Sayin.

I don't really care where you "claim" to go. I was just wondering why you would suggest others cancel their vacations in the sun and go to Calgary or Vancouver. Seems pretty stupid unless you have no money.
 

taxslave

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Re: New Conservative campaign ad sums up election in one word. A Mercer Report exclus

you would need lots of coin to vacation in hongcouver.
 

gerryh

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Re: New Conservative campaign ad sums up election in one word. A Mercer Report exclus

I don't really care where you "claim" to go. I was just wondering why you would suggest others cancel their vacations in the sun and go to Calgary or Vancouver. Seems pretty stupid unless you have no money.

How about support for Canadian businesses by Canadians during an economic downturn. Rather than spending thousands in a foreign country.


Unless, of course, you don't give a rats a$$ about Canada.
 

lone wolf

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Re: New Conservative campaign ad sums up election in one word. A Mercer Report exclus

See?....more lack of reading comprehension....missing a word that is in bold...
Not really - 'cuz when an extremist spouts, it only speaks fer us or agin us - no wiggle room, so everyone's wrong outside its own little head space
 

Cannuck

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Re: New Conservative campaign ad sums up election in one word. A Mercer Report exclus

How about support for Canadian businesses by Canadians during an economic downturn. Rather than spending thousands in a foreign country.

No problem. Find me a place in Canada with 25 - 30C weather in January and I'm all for it.

Unless, of course, you don't give a rats a$$ about Canada.

...or you want to get away from the cold. I know you're not the hardest ice cube in the tray but people travel for a variety of reasons and getting away from the cold is a pretty big one. Stop being so silly.

you would need lots of coin to vacation in hongcouver.

Not as much as Miami beach or even Vegas. I can drive to Vancouver and stay with family although, I really can't think of any reason I would want to.
 

mentalfloss

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Re: New Conservative campaign ad sums up election in one word. A Mercer Report exclus

Which is usually bang on the money.

Conbots don't know how to laugh.

That's why they are at the buttend of every joke.
 

Locutus

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hey thomas, that's an American Master Sergeant.

fukkin' idiots can't even get the insignia correct.
 

mentalfloss

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Liberals establish 20 point lead over Conservatives in Ontario

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Liberals establish 20 point lead over Conservatives in Ontario

The Liberals have extended their lead over the Conservatives to 20 percentage points in Ontario as more orange and green voters tactically switch to red, a sign that Justin Trudeau’s team is becoming the beneficiary the progressive’s ABC (anything but Conservative) strategic vote, according to the latest survey carried out by Google and commissioned by ThinkPol.

Liberals are at 47% support, the survey conducted between the Thursday and Sunday showed, a slight two-percentage-point uptick from the poll conducted between Wednesday and Friday.

The NDP (23%) and Greens (3%) lost one percentage point each as team Stephen Harper held steady at 27%.

The Liberals continue to dominate both genders and all age groups except the 65 and over group, which sided with the Conservatives, who came last behind the Greens for the 18-24 and 25-34 age groups.

The Liberals also continue to lead in all income groups except the $24,000 or less group, which favoured Thomas Mulcair’s team.

The ABC movement is aimed at uniting progressive voters to prevent vote splitting and helping Stephen Harper to cling to power.

According to the open source project Anyone But Harper, voting strategically could reduce the Conservatives to just 39 seats.

“Do you want a change of government in the 2015 Canadian election?” the website asks. “Vote for the strongest candidate in your riding who isn’t a member of the current governing party.”

Google polled 500 Ontario residents and the results are deemed accurate accurate within 4.6 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

Liberals establish 20 point lead over Conservatives in Ontario | ThinkPol
 

mentalfloss

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If cellphone generation shows up to vote, Harper loses. It’s that simple

The toques are coming.


If cellphone generation shows up to vote, Harper loses. It’s that simple

Not only is this one of the longest campaigns in Canadian political history, it may turn out to also be one of the most historically significant.

In recent public opinion polls, only two per cent of respondents said they think this election is less important than previous elections; 75 per cent think it is more important. Voters tell us they are unusually emotionally engaged and that they see this election having huge stakes. The vast majority of Canadians think both the country and their lives will not be the same after this election.

All in all, we have tracked a very dramatic lean among the Canadian public, who see this election as a historically significant choice for the country – and which may well be reflected in the significant turnout to the advance polls.

So why is this election so important? We need look no further than to the realm of values to see why it has assumed such momentous stakes. For an election that started out as all ‘about the economy stupid’ it has become ‘all about the niqab.’

But the debate about the niqab may be transforming into a broader debate about values, about the kind of Canada its citizens want, and what kind of country do we want to hand off to the next generations? How do we want to be seen by the external world? What constitutes our basic sense of right and wrong, good and bad?

It is not surprising that these kinds of fundamental normative questions result in an emotionally charged electorate and especially so against the backdrop of ‘two Canadas’ that are increasingly divergent at the level of basic values. The critical fault lines are both generational and class driven.
Older, less educated and dare we say ‘old stock’ Canada have very different value preferences than younger and university-educated Canada.

Many would consider the shift to a focus on culture, race, and identity to be a terrible distraction from what the Canadian public continues to identify as much more critical issues; the economy, the healthcare system and negotiating a path to a post carbon economy. Some would also decry the focus on the niqab and related culture war issues as an expression of reckless political adventurism, blind to the corrosive impact this may have on societal well-being in the future. While these may well be compelling critiques, the initial debate appears to have triggered a much broader and important contest for the future based on fundamental values choice. This is undoubtedly why our respondents are signalling that they see this as such a historically important election which is so engaging.

We would argue that the focus on these issues, which emerged following the media focus on the Syrian refugee crisis — elevated the Conservative Party from a party losing a race on the economy and corruption, to a party squarely in contention to win.

What may not have been as obvious – or even intended – is that that this debate about values has not only increased engagement amid the Conservative base, it may also have galvanized the dithering progressive majority.

Trying to assess who will win this values struggle is highly uncertain and why we can offer no clear answer yet as to who will win the next election. The level of engagement of the Conservative constituency really isn’t in doubt. The critical question is whether the growing engagement of the center-left constituencies will translate into actual voter behaviour (turnout and choice). At this stage, we can only hazard a guess that this heightened level of engagement will be reflected in voter behaviour; but at this stage, it simply is not clear.

We do note that Stephen Harper’s surprising victory in 2011 was rooted in his huge success with the elderly and less-educated cohorts. It is important to note that there are even more seniors this time out and contrary to some claims that the Liberals and Conservatives are equally matched with this cohort, that appears simply wrong. The Conservatives have a huge and stable lead with seniors at this time.

While we cannot clearly see the outcome of this protracted and increasingly acrimonious campaign, we do see some of the forces shaping it to date and the key issues to watch in the coming days. We are guessing by mid-week, the post-turkey discussions will have coalesced to provide greater clarity. There will likely be far more talk about cultural issues than about the economy, something that was frankly unforeseeable a month ago.

Apart from the shift to a debate about identity and culture, what other forces are clear at this stage? The Liberals have definitely made significant progress and now are the clear alternative for the forces of electoral change. The NDP have been in decline and if they don’t show signs of life by midweek they will see their fortunes greatly diminished in the coming parliament. Ironically, they may well have considerably greater power than they did in the last parliament where they had the second-most seats but almost no real power against the Harper majority.

We also note that the possibility of another Harper majority is greeted with near apoplexy in our internal polling of the two-thirds of the electorate that are seeking change.

The election outcome will almost certainly hinge on whose supporters are most engaged around the values issues — the big “what-kind-of-Canada-do-I-want” questions. The higher the levels of overall engagement, the higher the turnout and the poorer Mr. Harper’s prospects. Of great interest is the huge advance turnout which we have been tracking in our polling as well. Interestingly both the Conservatives and Liberals are running neck and neck there and the NDP isn’t doing very well.

Finally, it is worth noting the role of the cell-phone-only population — younger and better educated — in the coming days. Quite simply, this segment will be critical to the outcome of the election. In the last election, Ekos polls overestimated this segment’s willingness to vote. This time around, that cell-phone-only population is at least three times larger and tells us they are much more certain to vote than they told us last time. When polled, they insist they are extremely engaged and motivated by the values war that has come to underlie this election.

What that means: if they show up Harper loses; if they don’t he wins.

If cellphone generation shows up to vote, Harper loses. It’s that simple
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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Re: If cellphone generation shows up to vote, Harper loses. It’s that simple

They won't. They are the least politically active (in terms of voting) generation ever.
 

damngrumpy

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Re: If cellphone generation shows up to vote, Harper loses. It’s that simple

From what I hear the cellphone folks are coming out to vote
The social media lines are burning and the motto is get rid
of Harper. I have had a few days of here young folks home
from parts of the valley and from lower mainland.
Not only that I talked with one old guy I know who said yup I
am voting for the first time in more that forty years this guy
has got to go.
Aside from the 30% Harper got in his pocket the rest of us
want our country back
 

gerryh

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Re: If cellphone generation shows up to vote, Harper loses. It’s that simple

From what I hear the cellphone folks are coming out to vote
The social media lines are burning and the motto is get rid
of Harper. I have had a few days of here young folks home
from parts of the valley and from lower mainland.
Not only that I talked with one old guy I know who said yup I
am voting for the first time in more that forty years this guy
has got to go.
Aside from the 30% Harper got in his pocket the rest of us
want our country back


and in my family, many that have historically voted Liberal, including myself, will be voting conservative this time around.
 

Cliffy

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Re: If cellphone generation shows up to vote, Harper loses. It’s that simple

and in my family, many that have historically voted Liberal, including myself, will be voting conservative this time around.
You're just being contrary as usual.

I know 14 & 15 year olds burning up the wires trying to motivate everybody who is eligible to vote to Heave Harper. We'll just have to wait until the 19th to see how this drama plays out.
 

gerryh

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Re: If cellphone generation shows up to vote, Harper loses. It’s that simple

You're just being contrary as usual.

I know 14 & 15 year olds burning up the wires trying to motivate everybody who is eligible to vote to Heave Harper. We'll just have to wait until the 19th to see how this drama plays out.


not being contrary at all. Justin has thrown his base support away. Those that have supported the Liberals for generations are biting the bullet and going else where because of Trudeau.
 

Cliffy

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Re: If cellphone generation shows up to vote, Harper loses. It’s that simple

not being contrary at all. Justin has thrown his base support away. Those that have supported the Liberals for generations are biting the bullet and going else where because of Trudeau.
Just the hard line pro-lifers.
 

mentalfloss

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587 Canadian academics condemn Stephen Harper’s racial hate propaganda

587 Canadian academics condemn Stephen Harper’s racial hate propaganda

Open letter regarding Conservative Party campaign tactics

We are a diverse group of academics with different political views and different political allegiances. We are united by a common interest in the integrity of democratic processes and a concern about the ugly and dangerous turn we have recently witnessed in the election campaign. In democratic electoral politics there is an ethical line that distinguishes spirited partisan strategy from cynical tactics that betray the values of mutual respect and toleration that lie at the heart of civil democratic discourse. Honourable politicians do not cross that line even when they think doing so will be politically advantageous. Disreputable politicians ignore the line when they find it convenient to do so.

The Conservative Party under Stephen Harper has already come perilously close to this line by suggesting that religion is an appropriate basis to select refugees and by fanning fears of terrorism as a pretext for revoking citizenship from some Canadians. Distinguishing ‘old-stock’ Canadians from new ones was also divisive and problematic. Increasingly, the Conservatives seem to have been opting for a particularly nasty form of “wedge politics”.

However, by injecting the inflammatory rhetoric of ‘barbaric cultural practices’ into the current campaign, the Conservative Party has flagrantly crossed the line. The repeated use of this phrase along with a proposed tip line to root out undesirables are cynically calculated to distract and divide citizens by insinuating that some law abiding and peaceful members of the community are freedom-hating barbarians who threaten Canadian society. The Conservatives know that Canada faces no such threat and that the vast majority of citizens, irrespective of their religious commitments or cultural backgrounds, embrace the basic rights and liberties upon which our democracy is based. By conjuring up a phantom menace to the country and implying that some immigrants and religious minorities are enemies, the Conservatives hope to pit Canadians against one another. Like many sophisticated forms of vicious propaganda, the invocation of barbarism is meant to create fear and anxiety rather than to identify a real problem.

We enjoy the rule of law in Canada and it requires the equal application of the law. Those who break the law should be treated within a common system of criminal justice. A special mechanism that targets some minorities for extra scrutiny is as unnecessary as it is odious. The devious strategists who have devised this campaign know that their objectives are not well served by employing racist or anti-religious epithets, so they ask us to imagine unspecified but supposedly real barbarians. So we are encouraged to demonize those who are different from ourselves and whose religious or cultural practices we do not share or understand. In the present context, this is hate mongering, and it has no place in Canadian democracy.

We do not deny that there is room to discuss and debate how contemporary democracies should respond to religious, cultural and linguistic pluralism. Indeed, Canadian legal and political theory is at the forefront of exploring such matters. But a common point of departure for these debates and discussions is a commitment to civility, decency and toleration. Toleration does not require that one like or endorse the cultural or religious practices of others, but it does require that we refrain from insulting the dignity of those with whom we disagree. The Conservatives have shown contempt for a politics of mutual respect. We condemn the unethical Conservative strategy that brings shame to Canadian politics. We hope that Canadians will join us in repudiating the politics of hate. Instead let us embrace a nobler vision of civil discourse that is truly oriented to achieving the common good for all Canadians.

587 Canadian academics condemn Stephen Harper’s racial hate propaganda | ThinkPol
 

Cliffy

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hey thomas, that's an American Master Sergeant.

fukkin' idiots can't even get the insignia correct.
Like I'm sure he had anything to do with choosing that symbol. Having been in the printing business for many years, I would suspect that it was chosen by whoever was the layout artist in the print shop. I don't think the NDP own their own print shop.