A Few Honest Questions for the Climate Hoaxers?

petros

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Research and observations are beliefs.

The only global warming fact is that we came out of the coldest point in civilized history and now sit at average. the rest is belief.
 

JLM

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Doesn't matter anyway. We'll all be dead when the real problems come. Enjoy your retirement at your grand kids expense.

There used to be another guy on here that was always whining, like you about leaving debt to our grandkids. His name escapes me at the moment.
 

Walter

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If there is 2.5mm/inch that means my John Thomas is.....holy shjt, wait till I tell my wife.
 

petros

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I did better than money and BTW my kid is already a millionaire at 24. She is set, her kids are set. What more can we ask for?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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If there is 2.5mm/inch that means my John Thomas is.....holy shjt, wait till I tell my wife.
Hearing you fantasize about being able to satisfy your wife for the first time makes me want to either laugh or puke, Walturd.

Nope, I take that back. It's definitely "puke."

I calculate this here's your wife:


 

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How Arctic ice has made fools of all those poor warmists

The belief that the ice was vanishing has been for the warmists the ultimate poster-child for their cause


Poles apart: in 2013, the year scientists had forecast that the Arctic would be 'ice free’, its thickness increased by a third Photo: Alamy



By Christopher Booker
25 Jul 2015
The Telegraph
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Two events last week brought yet further twists to one of the longest-running farces of our modern world. One was the revelation by the European Space Agency that in 2013 and 2014, after years when the volume of Arctic ice had been diminishing, it increased again by as much as 33 per cent. The other was that Canadian scientists studying the effect of climate change on Arctic ice from an icebreaker had to suspend their research when their vessel was called to the aid of other ships trapped in the thickest summer ice seen in Hudson Bay for 20 years.

For more than a decade now, the belief that, thanks to global warming, Arctic ice was vanishing has been for the warmists the ultimate poster-child for their cause (along with those “vanishing” polar bears). In 2007, with the aid of scientists such as Wieslaw Maslowski and Peter Wadhams, the BBC and others were telling us that the Arctic would be totally “ice free by 2013” (the Independent even cleared its front page to announce that the ice could all have disappeared within weeks).


By 2011, the BBC’s science editor Richard Black was telling us that the ice would “probably be gone within this decade”. In 2012, his colleague Roger Harrabin was reporting that the sea ice was now melting so fast that more had vanished that summer than “at any time since satellite records began”.

So taken in had others been by all these dire predictions, that in 2008 the activist Gordon Lewis Pugh, after speaking at a conference alongside Al Gore, set out to paddle a kayak to the North Pole – only to have to abort his trip after a few days because “the ice was too thick”. In 2009, the three-man Caitlin expedition, sponsored by a “climate risk” insurance company, and backed by the BBC and the Prince of Wales, set out to walk to the North Pole. Their intention was to measure the thickness of the vanishing ice with an electronic instrument, but it froze so hard that they had to resort to a tape measure. Again, after a few weeks, they had to be airlifted back to a rescue ship because the constantly shifting ice was “too thick”.

In December 2013, the world followed agog the plight of yet another “scientific expedition”, when 52 climate activists, accompanied by reporters from the BBC and the Guardian, sailed into the Antarctic to measure the effects of global warming on its sea-ice. By Christmas their ship was so dangerously trapped by thick, multi-year ice that they had to be helicoptered to a Chinese ship 10 miles away, which itself then got so trapped in ice that they had to be airlifted again to two other ships even further away.


The Arctic ice certainly caught these Warmists, including reporters from the BBC and the Graun, by surprise when the Akademik Shokalskiy became stuck in it in December 2013


What made all this particularly absurd was that, despite being led by an Australian scientist, they were so taken in by the make-believe that they seemed quite oblivious to the satellite records showing that Antarctic sea-ice had long been expanding to such record levels that these more than matched any decline in the Arctic ice at the other end of the world. But wasn’t the whole point of this warming that it was meant to be “global”?

Of course, the reason why they have all wanted the ice at the poles to melt, not least on the land in Antarctica and Greenland, is that this would bring about their ultimate scare scenario: those sea levels rising by as much as 20 feet, which, as Al Gore showed in his Oscar-winning film An Inconvenient Truth, would flood New York, Shanghai and many of the world’s most populous cities.

But, alas, it just isn’t happening. In recent years there has been more polar ice in the world than at any time since satellite records began in 1979. In the very year they had forecast that the Arctic would be “ice free”, its thickness increased by a third. Polar bear numbers are rising, not falling. Temperatures in Greenland have shown no increase for decades.

The greatest scare story of all simply isn’t turning out as their computer models predicted. And no one has been more dangerously taken in by this silly scare story than the warmists themselves.

Read more of Christopher Booker's column


How Arctic ice has made fools of all those poor warmists - Telegraph
 
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Met Office sacked by the BBC – but the truth is even odder

The bulk of the data used by the winning bidder will still have to be supplied by the UK Met Office anyway...


Even when the BBC says goodbye to the Met Office, it will still be relying on Met Office data, however wrong Photo: Alamy




By Christopher Booker
29 Aug 2015
The Telegraph
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The media were certainly caught out by the shock news that the Met Office has, after 93 years, lost its contract to supply the BBC with its weather forecasts. It should not have taken long to establish that this is because, under an EU directive on public service contracts (2004/18/EC), the BBC is obliged to put its contracts for weather services out to tender. The tender documents were there for all to see on the EU’s TED (Tender Electronic Documents) website.

The preferred bidders, it seems, are Metra, a commercial arm of the New Zealand Met Office, and Meteo, originally launched by a Dutch weather presenter back in 1986, but now headquartered in London as part of a group owned by an equity investment fund.

One odd thing about this new arrangement is that the bulk of the data used by the winning bidder will still have to be supplied by the UK Met Office, derived from its unrivalled network of data sources, ranging from its 330 UK weather stations and 16 weather radars to information from 300 ships, airliners etc, providing 106 million weather observations a day.


Sources say tensions have been mounting between the Met Office and the BBC over broadcasts Photo: ANNABEL MAY OAKLEY-WATSON/REX FEATURES


Even though the Met Office may have lost its £3 million-a-year BBC contract mainly on grounds of cost (under rules which in fact do not even originate from the EU, but from a higher global level, through the General Agreement on Trade in Services), the BBC’s new provider will still have to pay the Met Office for most of its information.

Also odd is that we have almost been here before. Back in 2010 it was widely reported that the Met Office might be about to lose its BBC contract to the New Zealanders, amid speculation that the BBC was unhappy with the accuracy of its forecasting. Even the Met Office admitted that its global temperature predictions had been wrong in nine of the previous 10 years.

But the chief reason why the Met Office has been getting so many forecasts spectacularly wrong, as reported here ad nauseam, is that all its short, medium and long-term forecasts ultimately derive from the same huge computer model, which is programmed to believe in manmade global warming. Hence the fun we’ve all had with those “barbecue summers” when rain never stopped, and “warmer than average” winters, which promptly saw Britain freezing under piles of snow.


The Met Office has lost its multi-million pound BBC weather contract Photo: Mark Richardson/Alamy


This goes back to the time when the Met Office was headed by that fanatical evangelist for global warming, Sir John Houghton, the man who did more than anyone to set up the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And, of course, no one has shared his enthusiasm more than the BBC, which for years has been one of the Met Office’s most fervent allies in propagandising for the cause. Last Monday this provoked incredulous laughter, when the Today programme’s Justin Webb speculated that one reason for the Met Office losing its contract might have been that it was so “vocal about climate change”, on which Mr Webb normally follows the BBC party line just as faithfully as any of his colleagues.

But the ultimate irony is that, when the BBC’s new weather provider takes over, we shall still apparently have most of the same presenters. Their “visuals” are already provided by Metra. And, above all, virtually all the information behind its forecasts will still come from the Met Office, just as now. So, if the BBC got it wrong in the past, there is little guarantee that we can expect anything more reliable in the future.


Met Office sacked by the BBC – but the truth is even odder - Telegraph
 
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Curious Cdn

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Climate change denial is so reminiscent of the tobacco lobby(and the anti-public healthcare lobby in the US). There is massive corporate funding behind all of these propaganda campaigns. Billions are at stake for the tobacco industry and trillions are to be lost by the oil industry (and private health insurers like Aetna, Blue Cross).

The tobacco lobby has finally lost a lot of its traction after a half century battle but the others are so powerful and have so much at stake that it would be worth their while to have professional social media poster perpetuating their message in places such as forums like this. It would be a pretty inexpensive way of getting your message out ... "Climate Change isn't happening" ... "Public Health care is Communism" ... "Gun ownership should be mandatory".

I wonder if there are any professional social media propagandists working this site? I've seen other forums from other countries where it is pretty clear, for instance, that the Russian goverment has posters on perpetuating their bizarre and twisted message. How about it? Lots of Calgarians on here. Are any of you posting for Suncor and getting paid for it? ...even as piece work? It's not such a wild idea, really.
 

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From post #133, have you ever used googleearth to look at the seafloor between the mainland and the Icelandic rift. While it is true that the channel would have been dry land during the last ice-age the UK and Ireland are being pulled away from the mainland by the subduction that is being caused by the Atlantic rift.. If you ever wondered why the water is getting higher when an iceage should see it go down.

Oh boy....another conspiracy....has he met Cliffy and MHz yet?
How many replies did you last? One? (btw the same post submitted 100 times is still counted as one)

Climate change denial is so reminiscent of the tobacco lobby(and the anti-public healthcare lobby in the US). There is massive corporate funding behind all of these propaganda campaigns. Billions are at stake for the tobacco industry and trillions are to be lost by the oil industry (and private health insurers like Aetna, Blue Cross).

The tobacco lobby has finally lost a lot of its traction after a half century battle but the others are so powerful and have so much at stake that it would be worth their while to have professional social media poster perpetuating their message in places such as forums like this. It would be a pretty inexpensive way of getting your message out ... "Climate Change isn't happening" ... "Public Health care is Communism" ... "Gun ownership should be mandatory".

I wonder if there are any professional social media propagandists working this site? I've seen other forums from other countries where it is pretty clear, for instance, that the Russian goverment has posters on perpetuating their bizarre and twisted message. How about it? Lots of Calgarians on here. Are any of you posting for Suncor and getting paid for it? ...even as piece work? It's not such a wild idea, really.
Got a number? lol