Do you or do you not believe in God and why?

Do You Believe in God?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 46.2%

  • No

    Votes: 10 38.5%

  • Fence Sitting at the Moment

    Votes: 4 15.4%
  • Total voters
    26
JLM

JLM

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talloola said:
doesn't seem sensible to me to make up something from an idea that has no evidence of ever being anything
but an idea.
the idea that everything that is alive on this earth was caused from a god, is just
that, an idea, someone's wonderment of the marvels of nature doesn't have to be
caused by a god, but some think so.
the observance of how a bird knows to migrate is a learned instinctive nature of
the bird, but just an idea of some that it was caused by a god, no evidence of
any of those ideas being founded and true, so to decide that it is caused by a
god is just an answer for those who don't know but have to have an answer
NOW, i'll hold off on that assumption, can't jump aboard, that is too much like
someone's dream, then they told everyone it really did happen.

I don't think the god answer is a possibility at all, but because I don't know
the actual reason for life on earth, isn't a reason to think that 'MAYBE' it
was a god, nope I'm not a follower of other's little daydreams of possibilities.
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I think the word "God" is objectionable to some people- a "power" would probably be easier to digest.
 
talloola

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JLM said:
I think the word "God" is objectionable to some people- a "power" would probably be easier to digest.
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power could be either, god or scientific, so one should be clear when they refer
to the power, what they actually mean.

what the earth and nature has done for thousands of years is 'power' greater than us, but I would not
refer to it as such, don't want to be misunderstood.

no one really knows where you are coming from at all, seems you think there could be a god, or not,
or just some power we don't understand, or not, or ?

you seem to just take guesses as to what causes what, you are on both sides of the fence, seems you
are batting from both sides of the plate.

we all know that we all don't know anything about what started our lives, those who say it was god,
believe that, but don't know, I just say I don't know, but I don't believe in any gods at all, so
there you go. I'm not a fence sitter, I'm waiting, maybe my future family in about a thousand years,
or so might know, but I never will, but I will be part of this earth for as long as the earth lives,
that is fine with me, I'm part of the earth now too, and fine with that, I'm not going anywhere
'away' from this earth, I know that, as I am here, I have the evidence for that, but no evidence
that I'm leaving this earth ever, unless I fly to mars, and can't get back. lol
 
JLM

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talloola said:
no one really knows where you are coming from at all, seems you think there could be a god, or not,
or just some power we don't understand, or not, or ?

you seem to just take guesses as to what causes what, you are on both sides of the fence, seems you
are batting from both sides of the plate.
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Exactly, you hit the nail right on the head. I don't know exactly what constitutes "God", I can only relate to powers I've seen in my own life, but unlike you I wouldn't deny it exists. We know one thing for sure . Hummingbirds flying 500 miles across the Gulf of Mexico solely on their own steam is highly unlikely.
 
talloola

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JLM said:
Exactly, you hit the nail right on the head. I don't know exactly what constitutes "God", I can only relate to powers I've seen in my own life, but unlike you I wouldn't deny it exists. We know one thing for sure . Hummingbirds flying 500 miles across the Gulf of Mexico solely on their own steam is highly unlikely.
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the answer to our exchange is easy, you are a true agnostic, sitting on the fench, agreeing to allow
any possibilities into your thought process, so there is no future for us to chat about this, we could
go on forever, as I will not except anything I don't have evidence for, I'm not going to guess, or
take away all of the power of people and animals and birds etc., and think something else, such as
a god could have given them that power, but of course we will agree that it could be totally scientific,
and someday that evidence will be revealed in full, and if you are a fence sitter, you have to agree
with that, as you play both sides.

if you think it is some kind of god, then you have to ask yourself, where did the god come from,
a super god, and where did that god come from, CEO god, then to the higher god, the owner of the
universe, but who was the architect, his brother god, also could go on forever, believing in god
can't just stop at one god, and something must have invented the first god, but who?

giving me an answer that sounds like we are agreeing, is just another bounce from
one side to the other, guessing, and wondering.
denying it exists, is just waiting for the evidence, I'm not in denial, I'm just
not willing to guess, I would like evidence.
to deny something, is to see the evidence, and refuse to think it is right,
real evidence will be right, it won't be evidence that is just the same as
guessing, only in writing, it will take thousands of years to get it right,
or sooner or later.
you are wrong when you say I am in denial, no evidence to deny, just other people
deciding to believe something that has never been proven.
 
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talloola said:
if you think it is some kind of god, then you have to ask yourself, where did the god come from,
a super god, and where did that god come from, CEO god, then to the higher god, the owner of the
universe, but who was the architect, his brother god, also could go on forever, believing in god
can't just stop at one god, and something must have invented the first god, but who?
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No you don't. It is not required to believe.
 
JLM

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talloola said:
the answer to our exchange is easy, you are a true agnostic, sitting on the fench, agreeing to allow
any possibilities into your thought process, so there is no future for us to chat about this, we could
go on forever, as I will not except anything I don't have evidence for, I'm not going to guess, or
take away all of the power of people and animals and birds etc., and think something else, such as
a god could have given them that power, but of course we will agree that it could be totally scientific,
and someday that evidence will be revealed in full, and if you are a fence sitter, you have to agree
with that, as you play both sides.

if you think it is some kind of god, then you have to ask yourself, where did the god come from,
a super god, and where did that god come from, CEO god, then to the higher god, the owner of the
universe, but who was the architect, his brother god, also could go on forever, believing in god
can't just stop at one god, and something must have invented the first god, but who?

giving me an answer that sounds like we are agreeing, is just another bounce from
one side to the other, guessing, and wondering.
denying it exists, is just waiting for the evidence, I'm not in denial, I'm just
not willing to guess, I would like evidence.
to deny something, is to see the evidence, and refuse to think it is right,
real evidence will be right, it won't be evidence that is just the same as
guessing, only in writing, it will take thousands of years to get it right,
or sooner or later.
you are wrong when you say I am in denial, no evidence to deny, just other people
deciding to believe something that has never been proven.
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You speak of God as if it is a single entity.

DaSleeper said:
Teleportation???
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Possibly.
 
Corduroy

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JLM said:
Oooooooooooooooooh you're making things complicated. :) Let's start with your definition of God. Take your time, I'll be away until the afternoon. (I know nothing for sure about God, I can only come up with possibilities, which to me makes more sense than ruling it out)
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There are many definitions of god. I'd prefer believers define it so their claims can be dealt with on a case by case basis.
 
DaSleeper

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JLM said:
Cannuck????????????? Who the f**k is that?
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I know you're old and possibly senile..... but forgetting your old buddy? and dancing partner???-:smile:-:smile:-:smile:
CDNBear said:
JLM, why you invest any energy in communicating with Cannuck is just crazy. He's only worth trolling and making fun of.

Really dude?
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JLM said:
Yeah, you run across people like that from time to time, but I was taught that making fun of imbeciles is cruel (but it is tempting) -:smile:
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"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
- Hamlet, Act 1 Scene 5

That quote sums up why I am an agnostic: there is too much that no one can explain on either side of the argument.
 
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