Do you or do you not believe in God and why?

Do You Believe in God?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 46.2%
  • No

    Votes: 10 38.5%
  • Fence Sitting at the Moment

    Votes: 4 15.4%

  • Total voters
    26

DaSleeper

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In an effort to rein in one restrictive religion you would want eliminate all.....
Something like throwing the baby out with the bath water.........
 

JLM

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can you explain your vision of a 'higher power'. if you think there is a 'god', then where did he/she
come from, did he/she just show up one day, and say ok, I'm here now, I'm in charge, did he/she fire
the previous CEO ?

there is no such thing as random, because there is 'no' god anywhere, leads us to look for a different
beginning than gods, not random, different, just settling to believing in a god, is lazy, our earth and
the universe is so much more complex than some sandle wearing, robe wearing 'man', and yes, these
conclusions we are told to believe were all made up by 'men', give me a break, I jumped off of that
bandwagon long ago, before I was out of my teens.

saying higher power, is juust another form of saying god.

everything about nature is a higher power than us.

where is dexter when his common sense, intelligence and input is needed.

I think Dexter is another man with opinions like the rest of us.

I have no problem with your beliefs, but you have to remember your beliefs don't make mine wrong.
 
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Motar

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"Say: 'Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom..." (Surah 17:111)

"'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered, 'when I am a virgin...?' 'Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied. 'That is no difficult thing for Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood..." (Surah 19:12-, 29-??)

"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)

Poll results so far favor belief in God.
 

gerryh

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I believe because Jesus has shown himself to me.

Poll results so far favor belief in God.




Whether or not God exists has absolutely nothing to do with "poll results". Just as someone's Faith in the Almighty Father should have nothing to do with "poll results".




Obviously Grain is questioning his "decision" to forsake his faith. Otherwise, he wouldn't be so hung up on it and need affirmation by asking "who does and who doesn't".
 

The Old Medic

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My cat and I have a deal, a covenant if you will. I love her. She loves me back. I sustain her. She has certain commandments she must follow:

1. Thou shalt not scratch the couch
2. Thou shalt not eat thine Human's food
3. Thou shalt use the litter box. To pee in the plants is an abomination.

She sins often, and provokes my wrath. She shakes her angry paws at me, but I forgive her.

I don't know what kind of relationship that is. Ask the Abrahamic god.
No one is lying about God, it is just that many are seeking and have not yet found.

A VERY large proportion of the earth's people believe in the same God, whether he is called Jehovah, Allah or just God.

Science is NOT antagonistic to the concept of God, in fact it compliments that belief very nicely. In science Occums Razor applies to virtually everything, the simpler the explanation, the more likely it is to be true. Yet, the more we discover about our universe, the more COMPLEX it becomes.

The Christian Bible, the Koran, the Jewish Old Testament, and a host of other "Holy Writings" are often mans attempt to explain the unexplainable. When it come to the Bible, it is amazing at just how accurate it's history is, towns are where the Bible says that they should be, towns were destroyed catastrophically as the Bible says that they were, etc., etc.

At one time, most of the Near East and Europe believed that each and every word of the Bible was inherently accurate. As time has gone on, and as we have discovered more and more about how things work, we discovered that much of it is essentially a parable. That does NOT however mean that it is all bull manure.

You are free to reject belief. I am free to believe. We were given "free will" to accept or reject. I choose to believe that there is an all powerful deity responsible for this universe, and everything in it.
 

talloola

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I think Dexter is another man with opinions like the rest of us.

I have no problem with your beliefs, but you have to remember your beliefs don't make mine wrong.

no one's beliefs have anything to do with any else's beliefs, just questioning the use of the term
higher power, what is your explanation of higher power.

having a problem with each other's decision to believe or not, has nothing to do with my post, i don't
care what others do, its just the term 'higher power', what does that mean, what do you include as possibilities
when using that term.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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You're wrong and I'll tell you why.

If the population of Canada were to triple with all growth coming from the Muslim world the beliefs of those people would trump the beliefs and therefore change the laws and the culture of the original inhabitants. Sharia Law, blasphemy laws, laws regarding halal and Ramadan would affect everything from strip clubs down to what we could say or see or do on the internet.

Religion is a strong motivator of people's opinions and lifestyle. Many are more than willing to die for their beliefs. It directly affects me as to how many people are religious and particularly, what type of religion they are practicing.
Yeah, I know. Look what the beliefs of your ancestors did to the people who were in Canada first.
 

JLM

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no one's beliefs have anything to do with any else's beliefs, just questioning the use of the term
higher power, what is your explanation of higher power.

having a problem with each other's decision to believe or not, has nothing to do with my post, i don't
care what others do, its just the term 'higher power', what does that mean, what do you include as possibilities
when using that term.

To me a "higher power" is some one or thing able to accomplish things I can't or as far as the human race goes someone who can regulate things that man can't or is in charge of things we can't understand. Things like the San Juan Capistrano Swallows or the Sockeye returning to the Adams River.

I think The Old Medic may be on to something.
 

talloola

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No one is lying about God, it is just that many are seeking and have not yet found.

A VERY large proportion of the earth's people believe in the same God, whether he is called Jehovah, Allah or just God.

Science is NOT antagonistic to the concept of God, in fact it compliments that belief very nicely. In science Occums Razor applies to virtually everything, the simpler the explanation, the more likely it is to be true. Yet, the more we discover about our universe, the more COMPLEX it becomes.

The Christian Bible, the Koran, the Jewish Old Testament, and a host of other "Holy Writings" are often mans attempt to explain the unexplainable. When it come to the Bible, it is amazing at just how accurate it's history is, towns are where the Bible says that they should be, towns were destroyed catastrophically as the Bible says that they were, etc., etc.

At one time, most of the Near East and Europe believed that each and every word of the Bible was inherently accurate. As time has gone on, and as we have discovered more and more about how things work, we discovered that much of it is essentially a parable. That does NOT however mean that it is all bull manure.

You are free to reject belief. I am free to believe. We were given "free will" to accept or reject. I choose to believe that there is an all powerful deity responsible for this universe, and everything in it.

only some of us are free, others do as they are told, or 'off' with their heads.
 

talloola

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Would that not have more to do with despotic leaders than with God?


this god you talk about, it seems that all of you have made him 'not' to be equal to anything, you've
made him to be a dictator, bossy, demanding and invisible, I have no time for such nonsense.

people on earth are definitely far from equal, controllers, followers, murdurers, whiners, the rich,
the poor, the fat, the skinny, and 'people' decide what they want to be, then either become something,
or do nothing, or somewhere in the middle.
people decide what people do or don't do, and whatever you tell us your god says about what anyone
should or shouldn't do, people do what they want, unless they are so afraid of some hell, they
kneel and pray for themselves to be one of the favourites, who will go to heaven, how nonsensical,
sounds like Saturday morning cartoons.

I believe in the power of people and our earth, our home that not many people feel is important enough
to care for properly, no daily cleaning, constant polluting, and disrespect, all things, 'again', decided
by people, irrespective of what they know is right or wrong, it is about the power of the people or
lack thereof of people concerning each other.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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You're wrong and I'll tell you why.

If the population of Canada were to triple with all growth coming from the Muslim world the beliefs of those people would trump the beliefs and therefore change the laws and the culture of the original inhabitants. Sharia Law, blasphemy laws, laws regarding halal and Ramadan would affect everything from strip clubs down to what we could say or see or do on the internet.

Religion is a strong motivator of people's opinions and lifestyle. Many are more than willing to die for their beliefs. It directly affects me as to how many people are religious and particularly, what type of religion they are practicing.

So my belief or non-belief in God will change this how (assuming I actually believe any of this would happen)?
 

JLM

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this god you talk about, it seems that all of you have made him 'not' to be equal to anything, you've
made him to be a dictator, bossy, demanding and invisible, I have no time for such nonsense.

people on earth are definitely far from equal, controllers, followers, murdurers, whiners, the rich,
the poor, the fat, the skinny, and 'people' decide what they want to be, then either become something,
or do nothing, or somewhere in the middle.
people decide what people do or don't do, and whatever you tell us your god says about what anyone
should or shouldn't do, people do what they want, unless they are so afraid of some hell, they
kneel and pray for themselves to be one of the favourites, who will go to heaven, how nonsensical,
sounds like Saturday morning cartoons.

I believe in the power of people and our earth, our home that not many people feel is important enough
to care for properly, no daily cleaning, constant polluting, and disrespect, all things, 'again', decided
by people, irrespective of what they know is right or wrong, it is about the power of the people or
lack thereof of people concerning each other.

I'm not sure that the frailties of people have much to do with the presence or absence of God. I think it's a foregone conclusion that people aren't perfect and there's little doubt they are all different but still should be equal in some some aspects, like I believe all children regardless of their short comings should have an equal chance to fulfill their abilities.
 

gerryh

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I'm not sure that the frailties of people have much to do with the presence or absence of God. I think it's a foregone conclusion that people aren't perfect and there's little doubt they are all different but still should be equal in some some aspects, like I believe all children regardless of their short comings should have an equal chance to fulfill their abilities.




You are wasting your time JLM...... for all of talloola's protestations of "live and let live", she doesn't really follow it. She's also REAL good at telling you what you actually believe and what you don't and it doesn't matter if you tell her otherwise. She has made up her mind well before you actually open your mouth. She also "knows" all about "God" so if you tell her something different than what she "knows" then you are wrong or lying.
 

JLM

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You are wasting your time JLM...... for all of talloola's protestations of "live and let live", she doesn't really follow it. She's also REAL good at telling you what you actually believe and what you don't and it doesn't matter if you tell her otherwise. She has made up her mind well before you actually open your mouth. She also "knows" all about "God" so if you tell her something different than what she "knows" then you are wrong or lying.

Yep, but I don't like to deprive anyone of their opinion.
 

JLM

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she does.

I don't know enough about the subject to be nasty. However there are a lot of scholars that spend most of their lives researching the Bible and religion and I just don't think you can discount all of them. The only thing I am sure of............man isn't the supreme being.
 

talloola

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I'm not sure that the frailties of people have much to do with the presence or absence of God. I think it's a foregone conclusion that people aren't perfect and there's little doubt they are all different but still should be equal in some some aspects, like I believe all children regardless of their short comings should have an equal chance to fulfill their abilities.

but they don't do they, look outside of our country and tell me about children having an equal chance
to fulfill their abilities. I agree with you, they should have that chance, but they don't.

exactly, the frailties and strengths of people have nothing to do with anything but themselves and
each other, people decide.

I don't think I'm picking on you jlm, you are in my generation, you give your
opinion all the time, or I wouldn't have your information to give my opinion
back.
if you think I'm not allowing you to do so, let me know, I will move away from
challenging back and forth, about gods or no gods, or anything else.

you are an agnostic and I am an atheist, so of course we will butt heads,
nothing wrong with that, I'm not mad at you, or anyone, and never will be.

my goodness, I'm as open as a book, honest as the day is long, and will always
say what I think, and want you to do the same.
 
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JLM

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but they don't do they, look outside of our country and tell me about children having an equal chance
to fulfill their abilities. I agree with you, they should have that chance, but they don't.

exactly, the frailties and strengths of people have nothing to do with anything but themselves and
each other, people decide.

I'm thinking there is starting to be a little recognition in that direction. I think outfits like World Vision and the Salvation Army are working on it. Of course there is still one huge obstacle......................Greed.