Capitalism can not eradicate poverty

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there are many points in the article.

- david woodward, an economist, comes to the conclusion after thorough research that under our current economic system eradicating poverty is an impossibility.

- pretending it's possible to maintain the fastest growth rate sustained by the poorest 10% in our history (between 1993 - 2008 their incomes increased 1.29% each year) it would take 100 years to bring the world's poorest above the 1.25/day poverty line. even still the poorest 1% would not be out of poverty.

- howerver, thinking people have determined a more realistic $5/day as a more survivable income than 1.25/day.
so if we take that number it would take 207 years to eliminate poverty.

- right now the only strategy we have to reduce poverty is increasing the global GDP. unfortunately the poorest 60% have only received 5% of the income generated by global GDP increases, while the richest 40% have received the remaining 95% !!

- eradicating poverty would then require a global GDP growth of more than 175 times what it is currently. which means extracting, producing and consuming 175 times more commodities than we currently do. that requires an average global per capita of $1.3 million all so the poorest can earn $5/day.

- eradicating poverty is possible, it just requires the abolition most things if not everything capitalism is structured on.
 

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there are many points in the article.

- david woodward, an economist, comes to the conclusion after thorough research that under our current economic system eradicating poverty is an impossibility.

- pretending it's possible to maintain the fastest growth rate sustained by the poorest 10% in our history (between 1993 - 2008 their incomes increased 1.29% each year) it would take 100 years to bring the world's poorest above the 1.25/day poverty line. even still the poorest 1% would not be out of poverty.

- howerver, thinking people have determined a more realistic $5/day as a more survivable income than 1.25/day.
so if we take that number it would take 207 years to eliminate poverty.

- right now the only strategy we have to reduce poverty is increasing the global GDP. unfortunately the poorest 60% have only received 5% of the income generated by global GDP increases, while the richest 40% have received the remaining 95% !!

- eradicating poverty would then require a global GDP growth of more than 175 times what it is currently. which means extracting, producing and consuming 175 times more commodities than we currently do. that requires an average global per capita of $1.3 million all so the poorest can earn $5/day.

- eradicating poverty is possible, it just requires the abolition most things if not everything capitalism is structured on.
Utter crap and BS.
 

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It will take 100 years for the world’s poorest to earn $1.25 a day | Global Development Professionals Network | The Guardian


A few weeks ago economist David Woodward tackled this question in an article published in the World Economic Review. His findings are shocking. He shows that, given our existing economic model, poverty eradication can’t happen. Not that it probably won’t happen, but that it physically can’t. It’s a structural impossibility.

That is correct. Poverty is a requisite of capitalism. Without it who would flip your burgers for minimum wage? it is necessary to keep wages down.
 

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there are many points in the article.

- david woodward, an economist, comes to the conclusion after thorough research that under our current economic system eradicating poverty is an impossibility.
And we should believe him because economics is all sciency an' stuff. Hey, numbers and everything!

- pretending it's possible to maintain the fastest growth rate sustained by the poorest 10% in our history (between 1993 - 2008 their incomes increased 1.29% each year) it would take 100 years to bring the world's poorest above the 1.25/day poverty line. even still the poorest 1% would not be out of poverty.

- howerver, thinking people have determined a more realistic $5/day as a more survivable income than 1.25/day.
so if we take that number it would take 207 years to eliminate poverty.

- right now the only strategy we have to reduce poverty is increasing the global GDP. unfortunately the poorest 60% have only received 5% of the income generated by global GDP increases, while the richest 40% have received the remaining 95% !!

- eradicating poverty would then require a global GDP growth of more than 175 times what it is currently. which means extracting, producing and consuming 175 times more commodities than we currently do. that requires an average global per capita of $1.3 million all so the poorest can earn $5/day.

- eradicating poverty is possible, it just requires the abolition most things if not everything capitalism is structured on.
Nope, it just requires slight changes in the distribution. Sane people say the way to make the house warmer is to nudge up the thermostat. Parlor pinks like you say the way to make the house warmer is to set it on fire.

Meh, who cares? You're the wildest revolutionary on the internet. And that's all you'll ever be, and the only place you'll ever be.
 

gore0bsessed

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That is correct. Poverty is a requisite of capitalism. Without it who would flip your burgers for minimum wage? it is necessary to keep wages down.
yes, the goal of capitalists is acquiring the most profit possible and you generally can't do that giving workers fair wages

Nope, it just requires slight changes in the distribution.

yes, distribution changes which contradict the capitalist system.
 

gore0bsessed

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Capitalism keeps some people poor.

Socialism makes everyone poor.

Take your pick.

capitalism keeps more than some poor, and the entire point of socialism is to have every living person have a high standard of living. that may require no more billionaires sitting in their mansions that are the size of islands. huge loss i know.
 

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capitalism keeps more than some poor, and the entire point of socialism is to have every living person have a high standard of living. that may require no more billionaires sitting in their mansions that are the size of islands. huge loss i know.

And where in the world are there no poor?
 

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You've used the term "global village", I narrowly avoided hurling on my keyboard.
I didn't think it necessary to thumb you down, this time.
I guess its about time i started asking some questions.I do not know what the hell i am doing on these boards.I tried to find some info on how some of this works but i am ignorant as can be.Is there somewhere i can get info without bothering people with stupid questions?
I type at a pretty slow speed and have never been in a chat room Or interactive sites much- mostly due to my ignorance and slow typing speed.
My apologies if i offended anybody -except the few "coyotes' i have come across.Ok -no more "global village' stuff -what should i call it? As to thumbing down-should i care who does or thumb somebody else?I'm a big boy and unless they are a real nuisance-i can take it.
 

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I guess its about time i started asking some questions.I do not know what the hell i am doing on these boards.I tried to find some info on how some of this works but i am ignorant as can be.Is there somewhere i can get info without bothering people with stupid questions?
I type at a pretty slow speed and have never been in a chat room Or interactive sites much- mostly due to my ignorance and slow typing speed.
My apologies if i offended anybody -except the few "coyotes' i have come across.Ok -no more "global village' stuff -what should i call it? As to thumbing down-should i care who does or thumb somebody else?I'm a big boy and unless they are a real nuisance-i can take it.
Let me guess; the neg rep came from our beloved Walter. Neg reps are his way of conversing. It is a great honour to neg repped by such an intellectual giant. Feel blessed.
 

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I guess its about time i started asking some questions.I do not know what the hell i am doing on these boards.I tried to find some info on how some of this works but i am ignorant as can be.Is there somewhere i can get info without bothering people with stupid questions?
I type at a pretty slow speed and have never been in a chat room Or interactive sites much- mostly due to my ignorance and slow typing speed.
My apologies if i offended anybody -except the few "coyotes' i have come across.Ok -no more "global village' stuff -what should i call it? As to thumbing down-should i care who does or thumb somebody else?I'm a big boy and unless they are a real nuisance-i can take it.
You can send a private message to the moderators, or to someone you think will answer patiently and accurately. Or you could start a thread, maybe in Members Lounge, and get advice. There would be a certain amount of the usual BS and insults, but I suspect most folk would give you sound advice in such a thread.
 

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I guess its about time i started asking some questions.I do not know what the hell i am doing on these boards.I tried to find some info on how some of this works but i am ignorant as can be.Is there somewhere i can get info without bothering people with stupid questions?
I type at a pretty slow speed and have never been in a chat room Or interactive sites much- mostly due to my ignorance and slow typing speed.
My apologies if i offended anybody -except the few "coyotes' i have come across.Ok -no more "global village' stuff -what should i call it? As to thumbing down-should i care who does or thumb somebody else?I'm a big boy and unless they are a real nuisance-i can take it.

First of all, don't apologize for that. DB has a weird sense of humour and the rest of the time he's just kinda weird. :D

Secondly, if you have questions I've made a thread for newcomers and their questions here.

Canadian Content Forums -

Ask away.
 

Walter

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That is correct. Poverty is a requisite of capitalism. Without it who would flip your burgers for minimum wage? it is necessary to keep wages down.
What does a burger flipper make in the Dakotas?

Capitalism keeps some people poor.

Socialism makes everyone poor.

Take your pick.
Capitalism doesn't "keep" some people poor. It may make some poor depending on the choices made by those individuals.