Canada's Federal Election 2015: The Official Thread

petros

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The first paragraph says it all.

"One wonders if U.S. President Barack Obama will campaign as vigorously to defeat [Canadian] Prime Minister Stephen Harper this fall, as he did, unsuccessfully, to defeat Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in that country’s recent election."

BHO maybe the kiss of death for Justine


Canadian Liberals do quite well with US Republicans but Canadian Conservatives seem to have trouble with US Democrats. What the hell is that all about?
 

captain morgan

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Canadian Liberals do quite well with US Republicans but Canadian Conservatives seem to have trouble with US Democrats. What the hell is that all about?

The metrics are shifted when looking at the 2 groups.... US Dems are not equal to Cdn Libs (same with Reps and Cons in some degrees)

I'm looking at this more along the lines that BHO at one time appealed to many Canucks, but that love affair went sour well within a year of his first term.
 

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Obama ... And The Masters Of The Universe!
 
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BaalsTears

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The first paragraph says it all.

"One wonders if U.S. President Barack Obama will campaign as vigorously to defeat [Canadian] Prime Minister Stephen Harper this fall, as he did, unsuccessfully, to defeat Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in that country’s recent election."

BHO maybe the kiss of death for Justine


Whether this is the kiss of death depends on whether folks are Canadians who insist on Canadian sovereignty above all, or are just toadies for the Americans.

If that's true, then it needs to be asked, who is Battle Cat?

I had to google Battle Cat to answer your post. There is no Battle Cat. There is only Cringer. I don't see Canadians as Cringer collectively. But don't ask me about the Americans or I'll tell you the truth.
 

SLM

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I had to google Battle Cat to answer your post. There is no Battle Cat. There is only Cringer. I don't see Canadians as Cringer collectively. But don't ask me about the Americans or I'll tell you the truth.

Lol, I just love the fact that you did google Battle Cat in order to answer my question. :D
 

mentalfloss

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Take this with a grain of salt as it is only one poll, but if true.....


New poll puts federal NDP ahead of Tories and Liberals — suggesting Alberta election changed everything

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Emma Loop, Postmedia News
Thursday, May 14, 2015


NDP Leader Tom Mulcair asks a question during Question Period in the House of Commons on Tuesday. Sean Kilpatrick / Canadian Press

Propelled by a recent resounding win in Alberta, the federal NDP has surged into a three-way tie with the Conservatives and Liberals, new numbers suggest.

Preliminary poll results leaked to the Ottawa Citizen show the NDP leading both the Conservatives and Liberals with 29.2 per cent of voter intention.

The poll, conducted from May 6 to 10, appears to be from national polling firm EKOS.

The Conservatives and Liberals trail at 28.6 and 27.6, respectively.

With a margin of error of 2.7 per cent, the poll suggests the upcoming election will be a three-way horse race between Thomas Mulcair’s NDP, Stephen Harper’s Conservatives, and Justin Trudeau’s Liberals.

The preliminary results indicate that 1,362 Canadians were surveyed, which is about half the sample size of other recent polls by EKOS. It is unclear whether the numbers obtained by the Ottawa Citizen were the final results of the poll or whether the survey was extended.


If the data are accurate, the results debunk months of punditry and previous polls that have repeatedly predicted a two-way battle between the Tories and Grits in the upcoming election.

The new data suggest the NDP experienced a sharp rise in support beginning in late April.

Earlier this month, the NDP scored an historic win in Alberta with leader Rachel Notley ousting the Progressive Conservatives after more than 40 years in power.

The polling results suggest that, like Albertans, Canadians across the country are warming to the orange wave and considering putting the NDP in power for the first time ever.

The sharp uptake in the poll by the NDP is mirrored by a sudden drop in support for the Conservatives and Liberals, who have fought for the lead since Trudeau took the party’s reins.

In the last federal election in 2011, the Conservatives sailed to a majority government while the NDP surged in Quebec, securing the party Official Opposition status in the House of Commons. The Liberals, meanwhile, suffered a colossal loss that has since seen the party re-organize and attempt to rebuild itself.

A federal election is expected this fall.

With files from Glen McGregor, Ottawa Citizen

Posted in: News Tags: Canadian Politics, Canada, Federal Election 2015, NDP, Tom Mulcair

New poll puts federal NDP ahead of Tories and Liberals — suggesting Alberta election changed everything
 

Walter

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Don't matter if they weren't concentrated in the right ridings or all the ridings aren't balanced for population.
In the federal election there won't be two conservative parties.
 

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The idea of vote splitting is a sorry *** excuse for losing. The PCs in Alberta did not lose because of vote splitting, the NDP in BC did not lose because of vote splitting. No one loses because of vote splitting. Here are some excellent pieces by Terry Glavin. Terry Glavin: Some fresh voices in the B.C. Legislature would be a good thing | The Province

Terry Glavin: The NDP didn't get enough votes in B.C. election — mystery solved

In addition, those at the Federal scene who say there are three "progressive" parties against the one other are also sorry *** losers, and obviously don't understand how the real world works. This Liberal blog does, and points out with science and facts that vote splitting does not benefit the Conservatives like the whiners claim it does.

If the Conservatives lose because of an upstart right of centre party, they will claim they close from vote splitting (just like the old PCs used to do when Reform supposedly allowed the Liberals to win). It's a sorry *** excuse. If they lose because of vote splitting it's because those on the right are fed up with them, and want change.
 

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The idea of vote splitting is a sorry *** excuse for losing. The PCs in Alberta did not lose because of vote splitting, the NDP in BC did not lose because of vote splitting. No one loses because of vote splitting. Here are some excellent pieces by Terry Glavin. Terry Glavin: Some fresh voices in the B.C. Legislature would be a good thing | The Province

Terry Glavin: The NDP didn't get enough votes in B.C. election — mystery solved

In addition, those at the Federal scene who say there are three "progressive" parties against the one other are also sorry *** losers, and obviously don't understand how the real world works. This Liberal blog does, and points out with science and facts that vote splitting does not benefit the Conservatives like the whiners claim it does.

If the Conservatives lose because of an upstart right of centre party, they will claim they close from vote splitting (just like the old PCs used to do when Reform supposedly allowed the Liberals to win). It's a sorry *** excuse. If they lose because of vote splitting it's because those on the right are fed up with them, and want change.
My point was supposed to be that the conservatives will win the federal election because there are to many choices for the anti's as apposed the pro's .
 

Glacier

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My point was supposed to be that the conservatives will win the federal election because there are to many choices for the anti's as apposed the pro's .

And I disagree. It's not entirely clear that the Conservatives do win, but they are slightly ahead of the Liberals in the polls. The NDP is also rising the polls at both the expense of the Conservatives and the Liberals. Here in lies the greath myth - that NDP voters would rather vote Liberal than Conservative. It's simply not true as a whole. Read the link I posted above. Many would rather vote Liberal or Green than Conservative, but many have the Conservatives as their second choice.

The second part of the myth is that Conservatives would rather vote Liberal than NDP. Again, this is simply not true as a whole. Sure, many would, but many flip-flop between the Conservatives and NDP in the polling data. The third part of the myth is that Liberals are aligned with the NDP against the Conservatives. Again, not true. Certainly many in the Liberal ranks are, but many such as the John Manley types would much rather see a Conservative government than an NDP government. This is why the vote splitting is a myth. If the Liberals and NDP were to merge, the Conservative vote would go up, and they'd win more seats.
 

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And I disagree. It's not entirely clear that the Conservatives do win, but they are slightly ahead of the Liberals in the polls. The NDP is also rising the polls at both the expense of the Conservatives and the Liberals. Here in lies the greath myth - that NDP voters would rather vote Liberal than Conservative. It's simply not true as a whole. Read the link I posted above. Many would rather vote Liberal or Green than Conservative, but many have the Conservatives as their second choice.

The second part of the myth is that Conservatives would rather vote Liberal than NDP. Again, this is simply not true as a whole. Sure, many would, but many flip-flop between the Conservatives and NDP in the polling data. The third part of the myth is that Liberals are aligned with the NDP against the Conservatives. Again, not true. Certainly many in the Liberal ranks are, but many such as the John Manley types would much rather see a Conservative government than an NDP government. This is why the vote splitting is a myth. If the Liberals and NDP were to merge, the Conservative vote would go up, and they'd win more seats.

I think as time goes on the philosophies of the different parties are changing. I think, back in the day, the Conservatives and Liberals were more closely aligned to each other than to the N.D.P. Now I think it's more a matter of each party (mainly the leader) will do whatever he/she thinks is necessary to get elected. The integrity of all the parties has taken a beating in my estimation. Of course the Green Party is a one horse issue which probably precludes them from ever being government............in my estimation.