More than 1,600 Toronto city employees on long-term disability

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TORONTO - The city and its two largest agencies, the TTC and the Toronto Police, spent $55.6 million last year supporting a roster of more than 1,600 employees on long-term disability, the Toronto Sun has learned.

According to information obtained under municipal freedom-of-information (FOI) legislation, there were 1,636 unionized and staff employees on the LTD rolls at City Hall, the Toronto Police Service and the TTC at the end of 2014.

On average, these employees have been off work and covered by LTD for six-and-a-half years, with a sizable 23% of them on LTD for more than 10 years.

The departments with the highest LTD rates may be surprising. Long-term care homes have 178 staff on LTD with employment and social services (welfare) close behind at 124 individuals.

The statistics provided through the city’s human resources department shows that 51 city employees have been on LTD for more than 20 years and one between 30 and 35 years.

At the TTC, 57 staffers have been on LTD for 10 years or more. At the TPS, that number is 23.

Mayor John Tory told the Sun he felt the process the city is following to monitor LTD cases is “reasonable” but he found the magnitude of the numbers “troubling.”

He referred specifically to the number of people on LTD and the length of time “in some cases.

“I will be asking them (city officials) — as a minimum — if the process if being applied rigorously,” he said. “Do they make the maximum effort that’s provided for in our own policy to re-employ these people in another job?”

The FOI request was initiated in early December. It took two-and-a-half months to get all of the figures back from the three respective bodies. The city and the TTC did not charge to provide the information.


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Cannuck

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I wonder why some people have no trouble looking after disabled veterans but have a problem looking after other disabled workers
 

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Wow 1600 employees..............makes one wonder if the City has any employees still working! Maybe it's time to cut the dead weight!:)
 

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I wonder why some people have no trouble looking after disabled veterans but have a problem looking after other disabled workers

There you go, trying to identify logical inconsistencies again.

You're so pretentious Cannuck.
 

Cannuck

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There you go, trying to identify logical inconsistencies again.

You're so pretentious Cannuck.

I can't help it.

I understand some people are just impressed with big numbers but for me the 1600 figure is not particularly relevant or surprising for a number of reasons.

I don't know the total workforce of the city but given the police and transit departments alone are over 20,000 combined, he total workforce must be significant. We have 2 people on long term disability and being such a small municipally, I would imagine we have a higher percentage of employees on LTD.

Also, safety in the municipal industry is somewhat lacking. Given the high risk jobs performed by many municipal employees, a high injury rate would not be surprising to me.

Finally, they're unionized for the most part and we all know that unlike non-unionized employees, they are lazy and will try to get something for nothing.
 

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There you go, trying to identify logical inconsistencies again.

You're so pretentious Cannuck.

Extend your logic for one moment and compare the percentage of individuals in the private sector with that of the public sector.

I'm certain that you will see tangible differences... One might even consider looking into why these differences exist
 

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Now that really sucks - having been a non-union employee to a contractor when my shyte hit the fan. I bet they live a lot higher off the hog than me, and didn't have to sell off assets and deal with WCB/WSIB, OW and ODSP BS either.
 

Cannuck

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I'm certain that you will see tangible differences...

I'm sure you are. Of course, per usual, you fail to provide any evidence.

One might even consider looking into why these differences exist

I think the first step is in determining if they do in fact exist. What percentage of private sector police officers, firefighters, utility workers transit workers and garbage collectors are currently on LTD? What about soldiers in the private sectors....I know there seems to be quite a few of them milking the system lately.
 

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I see... So what you're really saying is that you are prepared to assume that there is no difference, therefore, your position is thusly supported.

Thanks for coming out contestant, let's see if Vanna has a nice parting gift for ya'll
 

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I see... So what you're really saying is that you are prepared to assume that there is no difference....

Of course not. Don't be silly. I'm sure there are significant differences between private police departments and public police departments. I'm sorry for your confusion.
 

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All kinds of private security forces available from the standard ones you see in the city to CP/CN rail, the military, oilsands companies, etc, etc... But why limit it to just the cherry-picked example you offered.

Transit has direct competition in a variety of bus lines... Whatcha think of the differences there?

Yeah, I figured that you wouldn't have much to say on the topic
 

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All kinds of private security forces available from the standard ones you see...

I'm sure there are and I'm sure you can explain the differences between them before you try to compare them. How do the jobs of private security forces and public police depts differ? How are they the same? These things need to be considered before you try and compare them.

Transit has direct competition in a variety of bus lines... Whatcha think of the differences there?

Not sure. I can only assume, driving a tour bus and a transit bus (for example) would be different but unlike you, I don't consider myself an expert on the matter. Why don't you enlighten us?

Yeah, I figured that you wouldn't have much to say on the topic

I have lots to say on the topic. Let me know when you would like to discuss it and we can get started.
 

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“Now stress claims can easily exceed 50%,”

suck that teat you lazy leeches.
 

captain morgan

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I'm sure there are and I'm sure you can explain the differences between them before you try to compare them. How do the jobs of private security forces and public police depts differ? How are they the same? These things need to be considered before you try and compare them.



Not sure. I can only assume, driving a tour bus and a transit bus (for example) would be different but unlike you, I don't consider myself an expert on the matter. Why don't you enlighten us?



I have lots to say on the topic. Let me know when you would like to discuss it and we can get started.

I get it... You're saying that there is absolutely no way that any comparison can ever be done because, well, you just know.

Gotcha
 

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I get it... You're saying that there is absolutely no way that any comparison can ever be done....

Nope, one can be done. You have just failed miserably to make an adequate one.


No, it would seem you don't. What do you feel the similarities and the differences between the public police department in Toronto and a private security organization?

“Now stress claims can easily exceed 50%,”

suck that teat you lazy leeches.

Living in a shytehole like TO can be pretty stressful. Your former mayor had to turn to crack just to try and cope.