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wtf was the topic again?
In the last post gerr was saying the RCC could train more pedo Priests and the RCC would still be safe as your babysitting service because the odds say so.

Probably something along this line. I guess zero pedo Priests would not sit that well with the baby fukers.

Nonetheless, A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States has generated a fog of figures, which cannot obscure the extent of this massive failure of institutional religion. It is indeed a crisis. Though this is a step forward, it is not the solution by any means, but a half-hearted admission that there is a problem.
Here are a few of the highlights.


  • [*]US clerics (priests, deacons, bishops, etc.) accused of abuse from 1950-2002: 4,392.
    About 4% of the 109,694 serving during those 52 years.
    [*]Individuals making accusations: 10,667.
    [*]Victims' ages: 5.8% under 7; 16% ages 8-10; 50.9% ages 11-14; 27.3% ages 15-17.
    [*]Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female
    [*]Duration of abuse: Among victims, 38.4% said all incidents occurred within one year; 21.8% said one to two years; 28%, two to four years; 11.8% longer.
    [*]Victims per priest: 55.7% with one alleged victim; 26.9% with two or three; 13.9% with four to nine; 3.5% with 10 or more (these 149 priests caused 27% of allegations).
    [*]Abuse locations: 40.9% at priest's residence; 16.3% in church; 42.8% elsewhere.
    [*]Known cost to dioceses and religious orders: $572,507,094 (does not include the $85 million Boston settlement and other expenses after research was concluded). (Hartford Courant, 2/27/04)
It should be noted that 30% of all accusations included in these figures were not investigated as they were deemed unsubstantiated (10%) or because the accused priest was dead or inactive (20%). They do not include allegations that were "unfounded" or later recanted.
In any case, all these figures are widely suspected to be grossly underestimated. For example, the late Fr. Tom Economus, former President of the Linkup, a national survivors' advocacy group, said back in the mid-90s that he knew of "1,400 insurance claims on the books and that the Church has paid out over $1 billion in liability with an estimated $500 million pending." (Emphasis added.)
He also said that over 800 priests had been removed from ministry and that there might be as many as 5,000 with allegations against them, which is not that far off. He often claimed that by far the most calls he received from all victims of any kind of clergy abuse were those from males who suffered abuse in their youth in the Catholic Church. Certainly the numbers, which show that the highest number of victims were 12 year old boys and that 80% of the abuse was homosexual in nature, validate that anecodotal evidence, too. In fact, while the numbers of young children and girls did not vary much, the report shows an astounding six-fold increase in the abuse of boys aged 11-17 between the 1950s and 70s. And the figures for males stayed high through the 1980s.

Gerry, you are trying to reason with a fool.....
This is getting good, he is actively promoting the pedo Priests are actually a good thing in the Church.
 

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This is getting good, he is actively promoting the pedo Priests are actually a good thing in the Church.




Nope, never said that. More lies by our resident psycho. You just can't seem to post without throwing in a lie or 2, can you? Why is that? Does the truth hurt you that much?
 

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Maybe I got it wrong. How many pedo Priests before they would be 'a danger to society as you seem to think 8,000 is perfectly acceptable and it leaves room for more of them.
 

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Maybe I got it wrong. How many pedo Priests before they would be 'a danger to society as you seem to think 8,000 is perfectly acceptable and it leaves room for more of them.





Another lie by the master of lies. Never said 8000 was an acceptable number. You just can't seem to post without slipping in a lie.
 

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Who is this

Ripping good book.





The opponents of the latest superstition were too intelligent to accept so shallow and repulsive a story and a dying deity. Porphyry terms the Christian religion "a blasphemy barbarously 197
bold" (barbaron tolmema). "A monstrous superstition," exclaims Pliny. "A pestilence," cries Suetonius. "Exitiabilis superstitio" (ruinous superstition), says Tacitus. "Certain most impious errors are committed by them," says Celsus, "due to their extreme ignorance, in which they have wandered from the meaning of the divine enigmas." (Origen: Contra Celsum, VI, Ch. XIII.) All of which is as true as it is temperate, avers Massey. The "primitive Christians were men whose ardor was fierce in proportion to their ignorance," as is ever the case. Massey states that when Peter, Philip and John, as preachers of the new creed, were summoned before the Jewish hierarchs to be examined, the Council decided that they were only ignorant men, unlearned in the oral law, unskilled in the tradition of interpretation, believers who did not know the true meaning of that which they taught. They were not punished, but dismissed with warnings, as rude anthropoi agrammatoi kai idiotai (men uneducated and narrow-minded). Idiotai is of course the root of our word "idiots." In the Greek, however, it carries the meaning of being bound up in one’s own ideas so closely as not to be able to see beyond one’s own small horizon.
 

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Another lie by the master of lies. Never said 8000 was an acceptable number. You just can't seem to post without slipping in a lie.
"that 8,000 (as a percentage) is less than in the general public. In other words, you are safer in the Church, than you are in a daycare."

You go ahead and defend baby-rapers any way you want gerr.

"the Jewish hierarchs to be examined, the Council decided that they were only ignorant men, unlearned in the oral law, unskilled in the tradition of interpretation, believers who did not know the true meaning of that which they taught. "

Well spoken by a group that was in exile because they didn't understand what God was telling them in the OT.
 

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I have been purged that is why I was able yo gag at the bull**** I was being fed.
Yeah, somehow I'm completely unsurprised that a literalist Bible thumper would find ideas like kindness, generosity, and personal integrity repulsive, though frankly I think you, as you often do, completely misunderstood what I said.
 

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"that 8,000 (as a percentage) is less than in the general public. In other words, you are safer in the Church, than you are in a daycare."


Yup, that's what I wrote. It is stating a fact. unlike the next quote, which is what you said.

You go ahead and defend baby-rapers any way you want gerr.

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another lie by you. I have never defended "baby-rapers" Is it possible for you to write a post without lying? I am betting that it is not possible for you to do.
 

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The important thing is open mindedness and the need to refrain from unnecessarily judging others in their views.

From your response to the OP, Gopher, I understand that you consider open-minded, nonjudgmentalism to be high value in human relationships.
1) How did you come to identify this attitude as worthy?
2) What does this attitude look like practically?
3) What enables you to maintain this attitude/practice in human encounters?
4) How successful have you been in maintaining it?
 

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Yup, that's what I wrote. It is stating a fact. unlike the next quote, which is what you said.


another lie by you. I have never defended "baby-rapers" Is it possible for you to write a post without lying? I am betting that it is not possible for you to do.
Sure you did, you said 8,000 Priests are not a detriment to our socierty, clean up the ones we don't know are out there first. Would they be a danger to society then gerr?
8,000 active pedo Priests each with a career lasting about 40 years. That makes it about 32,000 and if they raped 10 different babies each year of their protected career (in that they were just moved to a new place so they could carry on raping babies that makes about 320,000 victims and each of those runs a high risk of becoming an abuser themselves. Those your daycare workers gerr.
The love for your pedo Priest runs deep gerr.
 

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I don't know if anyone else has noticed this phenomenon but I'm starting to notice with these religious threads, the same message is beginning to appear for the second or even third time.
 

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Yeah, somehow I'm completely unsurprised that a literalist Bible thumper would find ideas like kindness, generosity, and personal integrity repulsive, though frankly I think you, as you often do, completely misunderstood what I said.
Actually those are quite remarkable traits, I'm confused why you would think it is something that the elite shower on the servants when every gain the people made was by force. Christians that went wayward 1,000 years ago are a group that promotes that sort of tenderness. Money comes into the RCC bank from the poor in greater amounts that go out from the organization whose mandate it is from God to feed the poor. One simple instruction and they even fuked that up. Gerr and others might admire that, I don't and I have the book to prove my point.

Literalism can be shown by Ge:3:15 and the cross is the literal fulfillment of the bruise to the heel, that would make the other bruise as also being a literal event. For the non-literalistic crowd what is the delay and what are we waiting for if heaven is just a state of mind. Run this past the 24,000 children that die daily and get their opinion if the verse is meant as a spiritual message or a command to do something literal. The first verse below is the difference between spiritual and reality.

1Co:4:20:
For the kingdom of God is not in word,
but in power.

Jas:2:14:
What doth it profit,
my brethren,
though a man say he hath faith,
and have not works?
can faith save him?
If a brother or sister be naked,
and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them,
Depart in peace,
be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Even so faith,
if it hath not works,
is dead, being alone.

Those are ones that are easy to grasp. Wouldn't you background be more in the one of how deep would the crust be if all the water came in as snow and the globe was a ball of molten rock. I'll even help, take away all the oceanic basins as they didn't exist that far back. Tides in the lava did though.
 

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Actually those are quite remarkable traits, I'm confused why you would think it is something that the elite shower on the servants when every gain the people made was by force. Christians that went wayward 1,000 years ago are a group that promotes that sort of tenderness. Money comes into the RCC bank from the poor in greater amounts that go out from the organization whose mandate it is from God to feed the poor. One simple instruction and they even fuked that up. Gerr and others might admire that, I don't and I have the book to prove my point.

Literalism can be shown by Ge:3:15 and the cross is the literal fulfillment of the bruise to the heel, that would make the other bruise as also being a literal event. For the non-literalistic crowd what is the delay and what are we waiting for if heaven is just a state of mind. Run this past the 24,000 children that die daily and get their opinion if the verse is meant as a spiritual message or a command to do something literal. The first verse below is the difference between spiritual and reality.

1Co:4:20:
For the kingdom of God is not in word,
but in power.

Jas:2:14:
What doth it profit,
my brethren,
though a man say he hath faith,
and have not works?
can faith save him?
If a brother or sister be naked,
and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them,
Depart in peace,
be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Even so faith,
if it hath not works,
is dead, being alone.

Those are ones that are easy to grasp. Wouldn't you background be more in the one of how deep would the crust be if all the water came in as snow and the globe was a ball of molten rock. I'll even help, take away all the oceanic basins as they didn't exist that far back. Tides in the lava did though.
Agreed. That's why I always take the parable of the sower to be about farming
 

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AH yes, revelations. The ramblings of a psychotic. It's no wonder you enjoy quoting from it so much. Only a psychotic minion of Satan would enjoy another psychotics ramblings.
Only strange to your brand of Christianity creep. It's also an index that filling the blanks going back to Ge:1. I could also go ever each verse and expand on it as much as this was an expansion on your version of Revelation and it would appear you don't have a clue what they mean but still claim to be a good Christian boy.

Re:1 an introduction and the identity of who the message is for. (all Gentiles and they are sorted into 7 'groups' )

Re:2 and 3 is the details of those 7 groups and the two kinds of relationship that they can have with God as defined by God and each group has good members and bad members. Those come into play on the day the 7th trump sounds as in Re:11

Re:4 and 5 and 6 is the beginning of a vision that outlines what the rest of the books covers in greater detail. It start off describing the Temple that replaced the one takenj down in 70AD. Prayers are heard by God as they rise as vapor from from the alter before the Throne and before God. The seals are prophetic visions that are detailed in later chapters. That is the same format that is used in the Book of Daniel. Da:2 is a vision and the rest of the book expands on what the vision introduces.

Re:7 is the order of the salvation of mankind. The beginning is the 144,000 and they are the first to be sealed for the group that will be alive for the 1,000 years, the 2nd group mentioned is the last of mankind to be sealed to God and that is at the Great White throne event.

Re:8 is the sealing as it is the coals from the alter verses and then 4 trumps sound that is the 'birth-pangs' and that takes 4 days.

Re:9 is Satan's wrath that consumes 3 1/2 years.

Re:10 is how the sealed will see the day of the 7th trump unfold as the book of life is opened and the names of the ones destined to be alive at the end of that first day is read aloud.

Re:11 covers the 3 1/2 years before the 7th trump sounds and on that day the earth belongs to the Kingdom of God.

Re:12 is an expansion of what Ge:3:15 says and Eve is the woman and the 12 stars are 12 names of her oldest children in the Luke family tree verses.

Re:13 applies to Re:9 and Satan's 3 1/2 year wrath against man.

Re:14 and 15 is the 7th trump day

Re:16 is how the sinners will see the days the 7th trump sounds

Re:17 and 18 is infor about Satan's leadership.

Re:19 is about the end of that leadership, it enhances Re:16 and the 7 vials.

Re:20 is the era that starts after the last sinner is in the grave and it is about the 1,000 year reign and goes to the end of the Great White Throne, an expansion of Re:7.

Re:21 and 22 are new earth verses.

Agreed. That's why I always take the parable of the sower to be about farming
Parables are nice but they can also cover more than one meaning. In an imperfect heaven God sowed 'good angels' and 'fallen angels' together and that lasted until a separation took place, same with men. We share a common grave and a seeration for awhile anhd then all of mankind steps into a perfected new earth and the good Angels enter a perfected place for them.

Re:22:11:
He that is unjust,
let him be unjust still:
and he which is filthy,
let him be filthy still:
and he that is righteous,
let him be righteous still:
and he that is holy,
let him be holy still.
 

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How important to Christ is attitude/conduct towards others relative to Bible knowledge/understanding?

"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away." (1 Corinthians 13:4-8 NIV)

In Christ, theological knowledge appears to take a back seat to Christ-like conduct.

Agree, LL. Human nature cannot be elevated through human effort.

"But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power." (2 Timothy 3:1-5 NIV)

A prediction concerning human nature that is true today, LL.
 

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"But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power." (2 Timothy 3:1-5 NIV)

A prediction concerning human nature that is true today, LL.
It has always been thus. It is no more so today than 2000 years ago. That statement means or proves nothing, although, I think it is starting to change for the better but in any religion.
 

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I'm confused why you would think it is something that the elite shower on the servants...
That just proves the point that you have no comprehension of what I said, there is no conceivable way any rational person could get that conclusion from it. You're confused alright.

Recalling the OP, which of your relational practices in particular support/contradict your relational principles.
I have no clue what that question means.
 

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That just proves the point that you have no comprehension of what I said, there is no conceivable way any rational person could get that conclusion from it. You're confused alright.

I have no clue what that question means.

You have shared your personal moral philosophy and its origins, DS.
How successful are you in practicing your value system in real world relationships? To what do you attribute your stunning success?
 

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That just proves the point that you have no comprehension of what I said, there is no conceivable way any rational person could get that conclusion from it. You're confused alright.
I got the 'Victorian era' part right off the bat and, like I said, all of those are admirable qualities but the Royal shower those on each other exclusively and also expect the surf to show the Royals the same. What isn't included is the Royals (the ones in charge) showing the surfs the same treatment rather than 'we' being at the whim of whatever they care to do and that is usually show they are the dominate one and violence is their favorite control device.
If you want a list of crimes against a group there are many examples of it, including a prison colony called Australia.

You have shared your personal moral philosophy and its origins, DS.
How successful are you in practicing your value system in real world relationships? To what do you attribute your stunning success?
Try X-mas and dinner with the Catholic in-laws as one of the 'stress test' events.