If ISIS terrorists fire on Canadian troops, ‘we’ll kill them': Harper

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We, is that you and your fleas?
The West has killed more than 1M in the last few years, justified by a false-flag operation done by the West on themselves. Clearly only one side in mentally ****ed, sucks that it isn't who you are programmed to blame.


You aren't rabid, just stupid to the max. See I can tell the difference being ****ed you can't.


You would shoot them if they invaded the homeland, saying they shouldn't defend their homeland from invaders who are waging war against them is a new level of stupid for you. Sympathy for the invaders, I don't see that happening anytime soon, give them the money for their oil and the war is over, other than the one at home when gas is $10/gal here and $0.10/gal over there.



Well if you consider the Canadian Military to be "invaders" they're not alone. Where do the ISIS guys come from - mostly from other countries, so who exactly are the invaders? We're not there to take over the country. We're not there to change what someone believes in (religion). We're not there to slave the inhabitants and demand that they live, work and play they way we want them to. We're there to STOP THE BUTCHERING AND KILLING.


These ISIS idiots terrorize their own and then cross borders to terrorize others because they have some lunatic ideas about a religion that they misrepresent and insist on forcing others to comply with their ideology. We're there to help get rid of the actual "invaders" and to hopefully, bring some peace and quiet to those who just want to live a simple, terror free life.


Do you actually believe that if we (and other military forces) were to leave, that ISIS would actually put down their weapons and change their beliefs? Seriously? That's what got us there to begin with!!


JMHO
 

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If I use 'honest' for the 'h' word are you still good with that as this reply is my 'honest' reply and it won't come across as being 'humble' so I will clear that part up right now. It could be made a lot longer but I hope this short version shows that the problem over there are there because we put the thing into motion and we are the ones funding the same terrorists you say we are fighting.

I changed the order slightly because some of it is historical. If we had been invaded by the US or the UK when we trademarked PetroCan as being a major player in Canada where the citizens got a larger share of the profits from each barrel sold. The reality is that for that 'extra income' the taxpayers also funded build a lot of production and distribution facilities that other companies were using but not building as their profits were destined for the pockets of the share-holders, period. An expense not publicised was the exploration they did at taxpayer expense, a lot of money was spent to locate the best locations for further development. A map and some darts were used in most cases as the whole map was eventually done so it didn't matter where you started. The data went to the US for processing. Calgary is like the US Embassy as far as mineral investments in Canada.

Well if you consider the Canadian Military to be "invaders" they're not alone.
There is a good reason Canada doesn't attack anybody on our own. We would look stupid and we would probably lose what we gained and more. That being said we do belong to a club and it is their club an we a bit player rather than they are the bit player. That one point should never be lost as it plays a big role in what headlines come out with 'our' tag attached. As a bit player any 'votes' we thow out there are what we are told to throw out there and then shut up and go sit back in 'our' corner. I can be quite comfy in seeing what happens in North America as being 'one place'. However when 'we' start saying election results in Iran and Syria were flawed then we are sticking our noses where we don't allow noses to be stuck in out affairs. Call that strike 2 in becoming a hypocrit. The then fund violent opposition in Syrian and Iran as being 'our right' then we have become violent hypocrites. Do you see that process getting more noble if we are there pulling triggers? I don't, I see it as being a long step down the insanity road so it deserves no support at all, let alone blind support.

Where do the ISIS guys come from - mostly from other countries, so who exactly are the invaders?
Do you want to start in 1953 in Iran and work our way up to the present where the leader that was recently killed was with the CIA for several years before being released and becoming the ISIS leader right then and there. There is actually something the CIA put out that said they had no idea of why he became a radical, after being with him 24/7 for something like 5 years. Really?? I shouldn't need a long list of 'besides that' to show that ISIS is a Canadian asset because they and we both receive our funding and orders from the same command structure. Thre are enough well researched vids out on that so if that isn't something you have seen it is easily corrected. If you have seen them then you must have a rebuttal based of some facts, I love facts, saves me the trouble of having to invent things to fill in the blanks.

We're not there to take over the country. We're not there to change what someone believes in (religion).
We have been in Iran since 1953, we have been in Afghanistan since 1976, and we have been to a lot of other places as our masters did what they wanted around the globe while we sat in the corner doing our 3 monkey thing. In 176 we could have gone like Iceland and said that we would print our own money and go to war with Europe if that is what it took. The US would strip away the closest 200 miles to the border and the rest would freeze in the winter or starve in the summer.
We were there to do just that and we are still there doing just that and the money in the ground is the reason, the rest is smokescreen as sane people would say the people living on the land above the oil get the biggest share of the profits. Instantly making North America a 4th world power. That is what we are trying to stop and stealing their money is the only way to avoid it, nothing noble or moral about being a thief and a liar.

We're not there to slave the inhabitants and demand that they live, work and play they way we want them to.
You are saying their oil doesn't belong to them, that instantly nullifies all you just listed. That gets by killing at least 1 million of their weakest and that isn't counting the 500,000 children targeted in the US led sanction between Gulf War I and 2. You have any 'feed the children' posters from that era? I don't.

We're there to STOP THE BUTCHERING AND KILLING.
Buy butchering and killing 10x or 100x times more than they have, just in the last 5 years, it gets worse real fast if that is expanded to just 20 years. All of it very well documented, you choice of reading or film, most people out here prefer the closed book approach. That is what we are told we believe so that is that. Congrats on sealing the implosion of mankind.

These ISIS idiots terrorize their own and then cross borders to terrorize others because they have some lunatic ideas about a religion that they misrepresent and insist on forcing others to comply with their ideology. We're there to help get rid of the actual "invaders" and to hopefully, bring some peace and quiet to those who just want to live a simple, terror free life.
They are well funded by Saudi and the usual gang, they got their training and trucks out of Jordan after being trained by the US and the IDF, fact. If you have a rebuttal post it.
Blowback! U.S. trained Islamists who joined ISIS

Do you actually believe that if we (and other military forces) were to leave, that ISIS would actually put down their weapons and change their beliefs? Seriously? That's what got us there to begin with!!
Give them the same constitution Venezuela has as far as how much they get per barrel of oil. Watch oil hit $10.bbl until that is squashewd and the profits are back in the pockets of the share-holders and then it is back to $120bbl. It could probably have been at the lower rate the whole time i9f the shareholders weren't demanding as much as they got. If this one fact is true then who are the 'bad guys'?
I know enough about chess that I'm not going to let you take my king with a diagonally moving rook.

Think how much stability this would bring to the area.

http://shareverything.com/2015/01/23/game-changer-russia-prepares-to-develop-gaza-gas/

In a significant political and economic development, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas met Jan. 23 with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The meeting came as a prerequisite to officially sign an investment agreement aiming to develop the Gaza offshore gas field in the Mediterranean Sea. It is only logical to assume that this step will raise the ire of Israel. The latter does not appreciate the role Russia plays in the region, especially since Israel has never come to an agreement with Russia.
 
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Gawd... you're so gullible....believing every conspiracy theory that lines up with your pittyfull agenda like this one of global research

ISIS Leader Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi Trained by Israeli Mossad, NSA Documents Reveal | Global Research

Why instead don't you believe this one?
The ISIS leader was NOT trained by the CIA or Mossad, and Snowden didn’t say it | Liberal Conspiracy

Is it because it does notfit in wit your white hate / muzzy loving ideals?
There are three common rules when people discuss politics:
1) they are willing to believe anything on the internet if it confirms their prejudices
2) they don’t want to accept people of their tribe do awful things
3) they find a way to blame America or the UK for most of the world’s problems
A recent example: the claim that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi – the self proclaimed leader of Islamic State in Syria and Iraq – was funded or trained by the CIA or Israel’s Mossad, and that this was apparently revealed by Edward Snowden.
Stories claiming this hoax have gone viral all over the web (example 1, example 2, example 3). This is simply not true. In fact I asked the reporter Glenn Greenwald, who has had more contact with Snowden than most people – this question directly.


Furthermore, Edward Snowden’s lawyer called this claim a hoax too.
So where did ISIS money and the guns come from?
I explain this briefly in my New Statesman article:
“After initially funding its efforts with extortion, smuggling and private donations, it literally struck gold in June when it made off with $400m in cash and gold from the central bank in Mosul.
“Since then it has also captured oil fields and earns up to £3m a day by selling the resource on the black market.
“The group also has a modernised arsenal from the weapons and vehicles it has captured from the Iraqi army. Even the well-trained and feared Kurdish forces are being pushed back in places.”
But America is still to blame, right?
In some ways, yes. The New York Times recently reported:
“The Pentagon says that Mr. Baghdadi, after being arrested in Falluja in early 2004, was released that December with a large group of other prisoners deemed low level. But Hisham al-Hashimi, an Iraqi scholar who has researched Mr. Baghdadi’s life, sometimes on behalf of Iraqi intelligence, said that Mr. Baghdadi had spent five years in an American detention facility where, like many ISIS fighters now on the battlefield, he became more radicalized.”
From there he joined al-Qaeda, and later split off into his own group which later became ISIS and Islamic State.
But what about all the pictures?
If you see any pictures, supposedly of al-Baghdadi meeting someone (like John McCain!), they’re also fake. McCain met some Syrian opposition leaders but he didn’t meet Baghdadi. These pics never reveal their source, time, date or location. Unless a pic does that, so it can be verified, its a fake.
So where did ISIS come from?
ISIS were initially an al-Qaeda offshoot:
“The Islamic State is the current incarnation of al-Qaeda in Iraq(AQI), which was created when Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi swore allegiance to Osama bin Laden in October 2004. The Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) was declared in October 2006, four months after a U.S. airstrike killed Zarqawi (by tf support everette). This was not just a naming convention: according to its organizers, AQI ceased to exist at that point, as the ISI was intended to be a governing institution independent from al-Qaeda and a practical step toward ultimately declaring a Caliphate.”
But ISIS split from Al-Qaeda and went its on way to establish a Caliphate. Its only over the last year they have made serious inroads towards their aims and have therefore become much more prominent.
Now, stop spreading conspiracy theories please.
 

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Gawd... you're so gullible....believing every conspiracy theory that lines up with your pittyfull agenda like this one of global research

ISIS Leader Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi Trained by Israeli Mossad, NSA Documents Reveal | Global Research

Why instead don't you believe this one?
The ISIS leader was NOT trained by the CIA or Mossad, and Snowden didn’t say it | Liberal Conspiracy




"Go back and read the whole quote yourself if you really need to"




Now, stop spreading conspiracy theories please.




You're kidding, right? This fu cking moron wouldn't know the "truth" if it slapped him in the face" He has been living and telling lies for so long, they ARE his truth.
 

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If I use 'honest' for the 'h' word are you still good with that as this reply is my 'honest' reply and it won't come across as being 'humble' so I will clear that part up right now. It could be made a lot longer but I hope this short version shows that the problem over there are there because we put the thing into motion and we are the ones funding the same terrorists you say we are fighting.

I changed the order slightly because some of it is historical. If we had been invaded by the US or the UK when we trademarked PetroCan as being a major player in Canada where the citizens got a larger share of the profits from each barrel sold. The reality is that for that 'extra income' the taxpayers also funded build a lot of production and distribution facilities that other companies were using but not building as their profits were destined for the pockets of the share-holders, period. An expense not publicised was the exploration they did at taxpayer expense, a lot of money was spent to locate the best locations for further development. A map and some darts were used in most cases as the whole map was eventually done so it didn't matter where you started. The data went to the US for processing. Calgary is like the US Embassy as far as mineral investments in Canada.


There is a good reason Canada doesn't attack anybody on our own. We would look stupid and we would probably lose what we gained and more. That being said we do belong to a club and it is their club an we a bit player rather than they are the bit player. That one point should never be lost as it plays a big role in what headlines come out with 'our' tag attached. As a bit player any 'votes' we thow out there are what we are told to throw out there and then shut up and go sit back in 'our' corner. I can be quite comfy in seeing what happens in North America as being 'one place'. However when 'we' start saying election results in Iran and Syria were flawed then we are sticking our noses where we don't allow noses to be stuck in out affairs. Call that strike 2 in becoming a hypocrit. The then fund violent opposition in Syrian and Iran as being 'our right' then we have become violent hypocrites. Do you see that process getting more noble if we are there pulling triggers? I don't, I see it as being a long step down the insanity road so it deserves no support at all, let alone blind support.


Do you want to start in 1953 in Iran and work our way up to the present where the leader that was recently killed was with the CIA for several years before being released and becoming the ISIS leader right then and there. There is actually something the CIA put out that said they had no idea of why he became a radical, after being with him 24/7 for something like 5 years. Really?? I shouldn't need a long list of 'besides that' to show that ISIS is a Canadian asset because they and we both receive our funding and orders from the same command structure. Thre are enough well researched vids out on that so if that isn't something you have seen it is easily corrected. If you have seen them then you must have a rebuttal based of some facts, I love facts, saves me the trouble of having to invent things to fill in the blanks.


We have been in Iran since 1953, we have been in Afghanistan since 1976, and we have been to a lot of other places as our masters did what they wanted around the globe while we sat in the corner doing our 3 monkey thing. In 176 we could have gone like Iceland and said that we would print our own money and go to war with Europe if that is what it took. The US would strip away the closest 200 miles to the border and the rest would freeze in the winter or starve in the summer.
We were there to do just that and we are still there doing just that and the money in the ground is the reason, the rest is smokescreen as sane people would say the people living on the land above the oil get the biggest share of the profits. Instantly making North America a 4th world power. That is what we are trying to stop and stealing their money is the only way to avoid it, nothing noble or moral about being a thief and a liar.
ANd I never knew that tinfoil could shrink.
Think how much stability this would bring to the area.

Game changer: Russia prepares to develop Gaza gas | SHAREverything.com

In a significant political and economic development, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas met Jan. 23 with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The meeting came as a prerequisite to officially sign an investment agreement aiming to develop the Gaza offshore gas field in the Mediterranean Sea. It is only logical to assume that this step will raise the ire of Israel. The latter does not appreciate the role Russia plays in the region, especially since Israel has never come to an agreement with Russia.
And I never knew tinfoil could shrink until now.
 

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That had to be said? Seems like pretty common sense that if someone shoots at you in a war zone you shoot back.
of course it had to be said...all hail Harper...

bow, scrape, and worship like he is some worthy leader who cares for Canada...

truth is we're fried, only the lonely, greedy and psychotic get that high up in a party...it's our system...and it sucks

but i find the worship completely entertaining...boggling, but still entertaining

I look forward to when he confirms the colour of the sky.
that's always debatable though eh...not a safe topic
 

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of course it had to be said...all hail Harper...

bow, scrape, and worship like he is some worthy leader who cares for Canada...

truth is we're fried, only the lonely, greedy and psychotic get that high up in a party...it's our system...and it sucks

but i find the worship completely entertaining...boggling, but still entertaining




You're blonde, right?


It had to be said because leftards questioned why our troops were firing at ISIS. Knock knock.... anyone home?
 

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Gawd... you're so gullible....believing every conspiracy theory that lines up with your pittyfull agenda like this one of global research

ISIS Leader Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi Trained by Israeli Mossad, NSA Documents Reveal | Global Research

Why instead don't you believe this one?
The ISIS leader was NOT trained by the CIA or Mossad, and Snowden didn’t say it | Liberal Conspiracy
I would be more inclined to use something like this to establish there was time to be interviewed so his past should be well know to the US rather than it being a 'blank'.
Iraq crisis: the jihadist behind the takeover of Mosul - and how America let him go - Telegraph
The FBI “most wanted” mugshot shows a tough, swarthy figure, his hair in a jailbird crew-cut. The $10 million price on his head, meanwhile, suggests that whoever released him from US custody four years ago may now be regretting it.

Taken during his years as a detainee at the US-run Camp Bucca in southern Iraq, this is one of the few known photographs of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the new leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq and Syria, now known as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams (ISIS). But while he may lack the photogenic qualities of his hero, Osama bin Laden, he is fast becoming the new poster-boy for the global jihadist movement.

Well-organised and utterly ruthless, the ex-preacher is the driving force behind al-Qaeda’s resurgence throughout Syria and Iraq, putting it at the forefront of the war to topple President Bashar al-Assad and starting a fresh campaign of mayhem against the Western-backed government in Baghdad.





Is it because it does notfit in wit your white hate / muzzy loving ideals?
It is because the US lies about everything, little toads like you keep the lies rolling. You can't even come up with your own questions, that's quite the new hero you have, I can see why he still has a job, can you?
Sunny Hundal | The Guardian

There are three common rules when people discuss politics:
1) they are willing to believe anything on the internet if it confirms their prejudices
You are the one that looks at just one side of every issue, that's how you justify terms like 'muzzi' a term I quite sure you wouldn't actually use if a Muslim would even talk to you. There aren't any Muslims around here to love in case you haven't noticed.

2) they don’t want to accept people of their tribe do awful things
Being from North America that would be a long list as we are the authors of such wonderful things as 'Death Squads' as part of how we spread out love into south America and other places. Be happy to give you the body count fpr all those places yet it was their own fault somehow. That about sum up your version of the truth?
You forgot to show that Iran cause the horrors they endured in the years the CIA was running the secret police ot that Afghanistan caused it own civil war.

CIA activities in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Iran#Further_reading 1952

Britain, resentful of the nationalization of Iran's oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the U.S. to mount a joint operation to remove the democratically elected government of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh[1] and install the Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi to rule Iran autocratically. Partially due to fear of a Communist overthrow due to increasing influence of the Communist Tudeh party, and partly to gain control of a larger share of Iranian oil supplies, the US agreed. Brigadier General Norman Schwarzkopf, Sr. and CIA guru Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. were ordered to begin a covert operation to overthrow Mossadegh. A complex plot, codenamed Operation Ajax, was conceived and executed from the US Embassy in Tehran. Full details of the operation were released fifty years later, in 2003. Britain, who previously had controlled all of the Iranian oil industry, lost its monopoly and allowed U.S. oil companies to compete in Iran.
1953

Main article: 1953 Iranian coup d'état
The United States and the West helped to overthrow Mohammed Mossadegh, the prime minister of Iran, in Operation Ajax. Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi gained in political power. Over the next decades the Shah increased the economic strength of Iran but he also repressed political dissent. This eventually led to the rise of political Islam in Iran.
1957

CIA help form and train SAVAK, the internal security apparatus of the Shah. CIA provides SAVAK with lists of Communists who the Savak would either imprison or execute.[2][3]
1960's - 1970's

Through the 1960s and 1970s the CIA used their alliance with the government of Iran to gain staging grounds and Iranian Air Force assets for aggressive, airborne reconnaissance missions into Soviet Territory in Project Dark Gene.
1975

The CIA colluded with the Shah of Iran to finance and arm Kurdish rebels in the Second Kurdish-Iraqi War in an attempt to overthrow Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr. When Iran and Iraq signed the Algiers Agreement in 1975, the support ceased. The Shah denied the Kurds refuge in Iran, even as many were slaughtered. The U.S. decided not to press the issue with the Shah.[4] "Covert action should not be confused with missionary work", declared Sec. of State Henry Kissinger.[5] Subsequently, al-Bakr attempted in 1979 to demote the Vice-President, Saddam Hussein, to a position of relative obscurity. Hussein responded with a counter-coup, forcing al-Bakr to resign, conducting a ruthless purge of hundreds of Ba'athists and naming himself President.
1983

In 1983, the CIA passed an extensive list of Iranian communists and other leftists secretly working in the Iranian government to Khomeini's administration.[6] A Tower Commission report later observed that the list was utilized to take "measures, including mass executions, that virtually eliminated the pro-Soviet infrastructure in Iran."[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Iran#cite_note-Beinin_.26_Stork_1997.2C_11-12-6


How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen

by Alexander Cockburn And Jeffrey St. Clair
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.



3) they find a way to blame America or the UK for most of the world’s problems
We cause more problems than we fix and out fixes always end up making the rich ricer and the poor poorer. Anybody that still believes the 9/11 official story is a rock as far as intelligence goes.

A recent example: the claim that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi – the self proclaimed leader of Islamic State in Syria and Iraq – was funded or trained by the CIA or Israel’s Mossad, and that this was apparently revealed by Edward Snowden.
Stories claiming this hoax have gone viral all over the web (example 1, example 2, example 3). This is simply not true. In fact I asked the reporter Glenn Greenwald, who has had more contact with Snowden than most people – this question directly.
I already showed above that he was with the US for 4 years, ISIS equpiment came from Jordan
I didn't use Snowden.
How ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi became the world’s most powerful jihadist leader - The Washington Post
But the narrative solidifies in 2005, when he was captured by American forces and spent the next four years a prisoner in the Bucca Camp in southern Iraq. It was from his time there that the first known picture of Baghdadi emerged. And it’s also there, reports Al-Monitor, that he possibly met and trained with key al-Qaeda fighters.
He gained enough respect that by 2010, after several leaders of the insurgent group al-Qaeda in Iraq were killed, he assumed control of it. At that time, the power of the Islamist militancy in Iraq was at its lowest ebb, and the number of killings had plunged. The Sunni rebellion, which it had once spearheaded, was on the verge of collapse.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWRurKlurYc

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu0YtkHRBWg

So where did ISIS money and the guns come from?
I explain this briefly in my New Statesman article:
“After initially funding its efforts with extortion, smuggling and private donations, it literally struck gold in June when it made off with $400m in cash and gold from the central bank in Mosul.
“Since then it has also captured oil fields and earns up to £3m a day by selling the resource on the black market.
“The group also has a modernised arsenal from the weapons and vehicles it has captured from the Iraqi army. Even the well-trained and feared Kurdish forces are being pushed back in places.”
And who is taking the money in exchange, the US. They must be selling it in USD or they would have been shut down already.

But America is still to blame, right?
In some ways, yes. The New York Times recently reported:
“The Pentagon says that Mr. Baghdadi, after being arrested in Falluja in early 2004, was released that December with a large group of other prisoners deemed low level. But Hisham al-Hashimi, an Iraqi scholar who has researched Mr. Baghdadi’s life, sometimes on behalf of Iraqi intelligence, said that Mr. Baghdadi had spent five years in an American detention facility where, like many ISIS fighters now on the battlefield, he became more radicalized.”
From there he joined al-Qaeda, and later split off into his own group which later became ISIS and Islamic State.
Wrong.

But what about all the pictures?
If you see any pictures, supposedly of al-Baghdadi meeting someone (like John McCain!), they’re also fake. McCain met some Syrian opposition leaders but he didn’t meet Baghdadi. These pics never reveal their source, time, date or location. Unless a pic does that, so it can be verified, its a fake.
So McCain was never there, he brags about it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu0YtkHRBWg
He left a month afte McCain was there as the vid of that was posted in May/2013.
(from the link above)
The rise of ISIS under his stewardship has been less about a cult of personality than what one expert told AFP signaled a “transnational ideology.” This became especially clear after Baghdadi cast off al-Qaeda’s leadership in June 2013. “I chose the command of God over the command that runs against it in the letter,” Baghdadi told al-Qaeda leader Zawahiri, who had tried to bring the rogue commander back into line.


So where did ISIS come from?
ISIS were initially an al-Qaeda offshoot:
“The Islamic State is the current incarnation of al-Qaeda in Iraq(AQI), which was created when Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi swore allegiance to Osama bin Laden in October 2004. The Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) was declared in October 2006, four months after a U.S. airstrike killed Zarqawi (by tf support everette). This was not just a naming convention: according to its organizers, AQI ceased to exist at that point, as the ISI was intended to be a governing institution independent from al-Qaeda and a practical step toward ultimately declaring a Caliphate.”
But ISIS split from Al-Qaeda and went its on way to establish a Caliphate. Its only over the last year they have made serious inroads towards their aims and have therefore become much more prominent.
“ISIS’s rise at the expense of Zawahiri’s movement signals that a new, more dangerous hybrid based on state development by wrecking everything in its path is emerging from the Syrian terrorist incubator,” wrote Theodore Karasik of the Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis. “Ultimately, ISIS seeks to create an Islamic state from where they would launch a global holy war. Perhaps that war is now beginning as Baghdadi’s ISIS eclipses Zawahiri’s al-Qaeda.”

Now, stop spreading conspiracy theories please.
You make me want to puke mostly.

And I never knew tinfoil could shrink until now.
You trying to add some metal to your balls?

There is a fluctuation in the number of ISIL militants in Iraq and Syria and the number of casualty announced by the Pentagon accounts for about 20% to 30% of the total ISIL militants.
According to the so-called Syrian Observatory of Human Rights, over 1,200 ISIL fighters have been killed in Syria since coalition airstrikes began there in late September.
Kirby also said that the US is “mindful that they're still a potent force inside Iraq and in Syria” and that eradicating them will “take some time".
The ISIL terrorists, who were initially trained by the CIA in Jordan in 2012 to destabilize the Syrian government, are engaged in crimes against humanity in the areas under their control.
They have been carrying out horrific acts of violence such as public decapitations and crucifixions against all communities, including Shias, Sunnis, Kurds, and Christians.
PressTV-ISIL lost 1% of captured area in Iraq: US

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