Ottawa imam; Satirical Pics of religious leaders should be illegal
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Why not follow the lead of the Jews?
Jailed by Israel for his cartoons, Mohammad Saba’aneh speaks out | The Electronic Intifada
He spent five months in prison after being arrested by Israeli occupation forces this past February. After two months of internment without charge, Israel charged him with drawing cartoons in a book they alleged had some association with Hamas.
Grain lend you his book of sexual fantasies with girl-scouts?
Years ago the right wing televangelist types condemned Piss Christ:
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The artist who created it was roundly condemned and received several threats on his life by radical religious fanatics who felt it assaulted Christian sensibilities. Because of that he lost much money and his career was greatly jeopardized. Since right wingers condemned Piss Christ, they should in theory condemn art work which insults Islamic sensibilities as a matter of principle. As for those who upheld that art work, they should defend the right of French or other publicists to express themselves as they wish, again, as a matter of principle.
In any case the key is that critics should take a consistent position on artistic expression.
As for any possible remedy which would settle whatever controversy arises from artistic expression, I leave that up to more able minded folks to determine.
Piss Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The artist who created it was roundly condemned and received several threats on his life by radical religious fanatics who felt it assaulted Christian sensibilities. Because of that he lost much money and his career was greatly jeopardized. Since right wingers condemned Piss Christ, they should in theory condemn art work which insults Islamic sensibilities as a matter of principle. As for those who upheld that art work, they should defend the right of French or other publicists to express themselves as they wish, again, as a matter of principle.
In any case the key is that critics should take a consistent position on artistic expression.
As for any possible remedy which would settle whatever controversy arises from artistic expression, I leave that up to more able minded folks to determine.
Nothing should be sacred to the point where people can be murdered in
cold blood for a cartoon, I loved the Good Friday Cartoon as well Religion
and politics and everything else is subject to people being offended. What
I have become offended by is the PC crowd. I don't think they should be
silenced by legislation or a bullet I just understand i have the right to be
offended by them.
Religious figures, politicians and others don't get a pass in an open society,
What the Imam is saying he does not believe in democracy and free speech.
If he doesn't understand the concept of an open society he doesn't understand
Canadians fought for the right to be polite or offensive what ever their mood
dictates.
cold blood for a cartoon, I loved the Good Friday Cartoon as well Religion
and politics and everything else is subject to people being offended. What
I have become offended by is the PC crowd. I don't think they should be
silenced by legislation or a bullet I just understand i have the right to be
offended by them.
Religious figures, politicians and others don't get a pass in an open society,
What the Imam is saying he does not believe in democracy and free speech.
If he doesn't understand the concept of an open society he doesn't understand
Canadians fought for the right to be polite or offensive what ever their mood
dictates.
An art form is about individual expression and Individual interpretation as well.
There is no other person who can determine what you yourself see. The over
all difference is you have to be grown up enough to control yourself and have
a sense of humor. If you can't have a sense of humor then understand you are
in a democratic society which affords you the right to be insulted. I have been
insulted and I am sure everyone on this board has been insulted by something.
None of us went out and killed people though did we.
In addition all those born again evangelists can re-examine their threats and
demands and realize they have a little growing up to do too. I would think if we
were given an opportunity we might find the prophets might have had a much
bigger appreciation of humor and what is acceptable. After all the people who
are outraged are those doing the interpreting. Prophesy is one thing satire is
another.
There is no other person who can determine what you yourself see. The over
all difference is you have to be grown up enough to control yourself and have
a sense of humor. If you can't have a sense of humor then understand you are
in a democratic society which affords you the right to be insulted. I have been
insulted and I am sure everyone on this board has been insulted by something.
None of us went out and killed people though did we.
In addition all those born again evangelists can re-examine their threats and
demands and realize they have a little growing up to do too. I would think if we
were given an opportunity we might find the prophets might have had a much
bigger appreciation of humor and what is acceptable. After all the people who
are outraged are those doing the interpreting. Prophesy is one thing satire is
another.
If she is offended by Free Speech and our Western Freedoms, she is always free to move to some country like Saudi Arabia or Iran where she won't have to be offended by western culture.
Cursing or praise is advertising either way.
M't:12:32:
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world,
neither in the world to come.
This is kind of like watching a big pinball machine at idle, just waiting for the day it juggles 7 balls at once with no collisions. Random or point blank, you will either get it or you won't.
Eph:4:14:
That we henceforth be no more children,
tossed to and fro,
and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
by the sleight of men,
and cunning craftiness,
whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Iran and Syria got the message and took in the 'welcome mat'. . . . . No big deal right? All you have to do is look at Libya and the Ukraine to see joining something unstable is never going to stabilize it.
Comprehend this bed-time story?
About 1966 or so, a NASA team doing work for the Apollo moon mission took the astronauts near Tuba City where the terrain of the Navajo Reservation looks very much like the Lunar surface. With all the trucks and large vehicles there were two large figures that were dressed in full Lunar spacesuits.
Near by a Navajo sheep herder and his son where watching the strange creatures walk about, occasionally being tended by personnel. The two Navajo people were noticed and approached by the NASA personnel. Since the man did not know English, his son asked for him what the strange creatures were and the NASA people told them that they are just men that are getting ready to go to the moon. The man became very excited and asked if he could send a message to the moon with the astronauts.
The NASA personnel thought this was a great idea so they rustled up a tape recorder. After the man gave them his message they asked his son to translate. His son would not.
Later, they tried a few more people on the reservation to translate, and every person they asked would chuckle and then refuse to translate. Finally, with cash in hand someone translated the message: "Watch out for these guys, they come to take your land."
When NASA was preparing for the Apollo project, they did some astronaut training on a Navajo Indian reservation. One day, a Navajo elder and his son were herding sheep and came across the space crew. The old man, who only spoke Navajo, asked a question, which the son translated: "What are the guys in the big suits doing?" A member of the crew said they were practicing for their trip to the moon.
The old man got really excited and asked if he could send a message to the moon with the astronauts. Recognizing a promotional opportunity for the spin-doctors, the NASA folks found a tape recorder. After the old man recorded his message, they asked the son to translate. He refused. So the NASA reps brought the tape to the reservation, where the rest of the tribe listened and laughed, but refused to translate the elder's message to the moon.
Finally, NASA called a official government translator. He reported that the moon message said: "Watch out for these guys; they've come to steal your land."
Read more at snopes.com: NASA and the Navajo
Only they can see if you are wearing blinders or not.
A bunch of saying that is supposed to mean something in a modern world
as long as we have the same interpretation of course. You are right though
democracy is sometimes unstable because different people have different
views and directions. That instability is life and life breathes as opposed
to some stagnant pool of old visions that do not let us explore life itself
no won't find me going over old scriptures to seek meaning I will go out
into the world and view life free as the breeze
as long as we have the same interpretation of course. You are right though
democracy is sometimes unstable because different people have different
views and directions. That instability is life and life breathes as opposed
to some stagnant pool of old visions that do not let us explore life itself
no won't find me going over old scriptures to seek meaning I will go out
into the world and view life free as the breeze
If a single person and a bible needs it to be an e-bible for even a simple term like 'grace' to be understood it is going to be almost impossible to do by yourself in a year or so. With a print bible or 30 minutes with an e-bible the a 'supreme being' would know that and take advantage of that 'reality' The more complex terms are about 10x more difficult so one day of serious reading give you the whole plan. Only way to do it, getting people to read parts and explain them to you isn't something that will give you a picture of any kind.
If I was to say the sword in the last verse in Re:19 is the same sword as the one in Isaiah:65 it is not going to be as apparent to you as it is to me if you were to read it. However since you had a 'hint' when it does fit it will be in a shorter period of time that it took me to make the connection. My advantage was I was pretty sure some connection existed, just not sure what it was. Turns out both the 'the rest' and the ones under punishment are the same ones so their fate is no longer guess work.
No big issue with staying a non-believer, you will at least know what story you are rejecting, the one you brain concluded rather than the brain of a stranger.
If I was to say the sword in the last verse in Re:19 is the same sword as the one in Isaiah:65 it is not going to be as apparent to you as it is to me if you were to read it. However since you had a 'hint' when it does fit it will be in a shorter period of time that it took me to make the connection. My advantage was I was pretty sure some connection existed, just not sure what it was. Turns out both the 'the rest' and the ones under punishment are the same ones so their fate is no longer guess work.
No big issue with staying a non-believer, you will at least know what story you are rejecting, the one you brain concluded rather than the brain of a stranger.
WRONG.
If a statement/cartoon/article does not incite violence against a group/religion, and merely criticizes or mocks, it is not hate speech and should be protected under free speech.
Freedom of speech does not mean there should be no accountability for statements, such as counter statements, rebuttals, boycotts, etc., but there should not be governmental censure. In other words, if you don't like a cartoon in the Sun papers, then make your own cartoon about them, write a letter to the editor about it, organize a boycott of the papers, etc.; but the government should not be enforcing your distaste with someone else's expression.
Well said. Can you imagine if the government did enforce everyone's distaste with other people's expression? We'd all be guilty of a criminal offense, every single last one of us. Because we've all said something at some point in time that someone else was not happy about.
What is with people's assumption that they have a right not to be offended?
exactly right
And once you mouth off...you have to be accountable...people forget that part...just because it is a thought in someone's head doesn't mean it should be shared either.
Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas using one's body and property[clarification needed][citation needed] to anyone who is willing to receive them. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.
Every government restricts speech to some degree. Common limitations on speech relate to: libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, hate speech, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, right to privacy, right to be forgotten, public security, public order, public nuisance, and campaign finance reform. Whether these limitations can be justified under the harm principle depends upon whether influencing a third party's opinions or actions adversely to the second party constitutes such harm or not.
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That is where your thinking is flawed, you here alone is a whole lot unsafer, after all you are the ones sending people to the hospital over a haircut and (please don't ever forget this part because I assure you I never will so don't expect to see any changes in 'our relationship, . . . evr) cheers on the aerial bombing of babies to the extent you started a thread to celebrate the event. Real classy, not.