BRRREAKING: Pope to issue climate change call to arms for world’s Catholics
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I don't mind sharing some of the wealth of the world but be darned if I want to see
the whole thing equal out at the Wests expense. After all who invested in time and
effort to create the inventions and the structure to produce wealth in the first place.
Nope if the rest want to become like the west and abandoned their outdated ways
fine other wise we should hang onto the things that matter and our position in the
world. It has nothing to do with race culture or gender it has everything to with the
status of achievement we created share yes give away no
the whole thing equal out at the Wests expense. After all who invested in time and
effort to create the inventions and the structure to produce wealth in the first place.
Nope if the rest want to become like the west and abandoned their outdated ways
fine other wise we should hang onto the things that matter and our position in the
world. It has nothing to do with race culture or gender it has everything to with the
status of achievement we created share yes give away no
that Pope Frank sure seems like a real progressive type..... must be that Jesuit foundation... what's that, you say Pope Frank has a master's degree in chemistry? Nah, can't be!
allrightee... just send more missionaries! Easy, peasey! Wait, what century is this?
allrightee... just send more missionaries! Easy, peasey! Wait, what century is this?
Francis is (again) taking on powerful, conservative Catholic prelates in supporting a speculative, pseudoscience with a vast sociopolitical agenda.. very antagonistic to the human cause.
Among them is Vatican Chief Financial Overseer in Cardinal Pell (but there are many others) who did a wide ranging interview on the topic recently. He condemns the "herd like, paganistic, fear mongering, utopian, cultish" quality of the movement (paraphrased). It is an assault on reason and faith.
His best phrase was that the Church should be allergic to the nonsense that comprises the AGW bombastic threats which represents a 'pagan emptiness'.. That projects a dystopia rather than Eco-utopia if allowed full sway.
Francis' agency on several issues could ultimately see him isolated, embattled, and ineffective within the Church. His quixotic campaign to reform the Church has no sense of an underlying, comprehensive theological integrity. And even a Pope can't declare pure nonsense as 'infallible'.. even when speaking 'ex cathedra'. He seems to be in the pall of many of the superficial, deceptive fads and causes that make up the New Age.
some extracts from Pell interview, adding some much needed clarity and objectivity to the issue.
Despite the fact that Australians like to see themselves as a ruggedly independent, rational, and democratic people, in some respects a herdlike mentality still prevails. Right now, the mass media, politicians, many church figures, and the public generally seem to have embraced even the wilder claims about man-made climate change as if they constituted a new religion. These days, for any public figure to question the basis of what amounts to a green fundamentalist faith is tantamount to heresy. The angry editorials and letters to newspapers certainly suggest this.
I am certainly skeptical about extravagant claims of impending man-made climatic catastrophes. Scientific debate is not decided by any changing consensus, even if it is endorsed by political parties and public opinion. Climate change both up and down has been occurring, probably since earth first had a climate.
In the 1970s some scientists were predicting a new ice age because of global cooling. Today other scientists are predicting an apocalypse because of global warming. It is no disrespect to science or scientists to take these latest claims with a grain of salt. Commitment to the scientific method actually requires it.
Significant evidence suggests that average temperatures rose by 0.6 degrees centigrade during the last century, and there is no doubt that large scale industrial activities can have an adverse impact in particular locations, as in the larger Chinese cities. But when averaged out across the globe, it is difficult to see this being the main culprit for any overall global warming, let alone bringing us to the verge of catastrophe. Again, we are dealing with a very imprecise science here, whatever the computer models might suggest. There are so many other variables.
It is true that some of the more hysterical and extreme claims about global warming appear symptomatic of a pagan emptiness, of a Western fear when confronted by the immense and basically uncontrollable forces of nature. Years ago I was struck by the fears that middle-class kids without religion had about nuclear war. It was almost an obsession with a few of them. It’s almost as though people without religion, who don’t belong to any of the great religious traditions, have got to be frightened of something.
Perhaps they’re looking for a cause that is almost a substitute for religion. I often point out that some of those who are now warning us against global warming were warning us back in the 1970s about an imminent new ice age, because according to some criteria an ice age is a bit overdue. Remember the fuss about the millennium bug and our computer systems in the lead-up to the year 2000.
Belief in a benign God who is master of the universe has a steadying psychological effect, although it is no guarantee of Utopia, no guarantee that the continuing climate and geographic changes will be benign. In the past pagans sacrificed animals and even humans in vain attempts to placate capricious and cruel gods. Today they demand a reduction in carbon dioxide emissions.
Radical environmentalists are more than up to the task of moralizing their own agenda and imposing it on people through fear. They don’t need church leaders to help them with this, although it is a very effective way of further muting Christian witness. Church leaders in particular should be allergic to nonsense.
The Christian God is not an insurance broker, nor did his Son Jesus Christ say anything on global warming, although he said much on the struggle between good and evil, meaning and fear, love and hate. Jesus calls us to address the challenges in our own hearts, families, and communities before we moralize about distant worlds, where we are usually powerless.
Among them is Vatican Chief Financial Overseer in Cardinal Pell (but there are many others) who did a wide ranging interview on the topic recently. He condemns the "herd like, paganistic, fear mongering, utopian, cultish" quality of the movement (paraphrased). It is an assault on reason and faith.
His best phrase was that the Church should be allergic to the nonsense that comprises the AGW bombastic threats which represents a 'pagan emptiness'.. That projects a dystopia rather than Eco-utopia if allowed full sway.
Francis' agency on several issues could ultimately see him isolated, embattled, and ineffective within the Church. His quixotic campaign to reform the Church has no sense of an underlying, comprehensive theological integrity. And even a Pope can't declare pure nonsense as 'infallible'.. even when speaking 'ex cathedra'. He seems to be in the pall of many of the superficial, deceptive fads and causes that make up the New Age.
some extracts from Pell interview, adding some much needed clarity and objectivity to the issue.
Despite the fact that Australians like to see themselves as a ruggedly independent, rational, and democratic people, in some respects a herdlike mentality still prevails. Right now, the mass media, politicians, many church figures, and the public generally seem to have embraced even the wilder claims about man-made climate change as if they constituted a new religion. These days, for any public figure to question the basis of what amounts to a green fundamentalist faith is tantamount to heresy. The angry editorials and letters to newspapers certainly suggest this.
I am certainly skeptical about extravagant claims of impending man-made climatic catastrophes. Scientific debate is not decided by any changing consensus, even if it is endorsed by political parties and public opinion. Climate change both up and down has been occurring, probably since earth first had a climate.
In the 1970s some scientists were predicting a new ice age because of global cooling. Today other scientists are predicting an apocalypse because of global warming. It is no disrespect to science or scientists to take these latest claims with a grain of salt. Commitment to the scientific method actually requires it.
Significant evidence suggests that average temperatures rose by 0.6 degrees centigrade during the last century, and there is no doubt that large scale industrial activities can have an adverse impact in particular locations, as in the larger Chinese cities. But when averaged out across the globe, it is difficult to see this being the main culprit for any overall global warming, let alone bringing us to the verge of catastrophe. Again, we are dealing with a very imprecise science here, whatever the computer models might suggest. There are so many other variables.
It is true that some of the more hysterical and extreme claims about global warming appear symptomatic of a pagan emptiness, of a Western fear when confronted by the immense and basically uncontrollable forces of nature. Years ago I was struck by the fears that middle-class kids without religion had about nuclear war. It was almost an obsession with a few of them. It’s almost as though people without religion, who don’t belong to any of the great religious traditions, have got to be frightened of something.
Perhaps they’re looking for a cause that is almost a substitute for religion. I often point out that some of those who are now warning us against global warming were warning us back in the 1970s about an imminent new ice age, because according to some criteria an ice age is a bit overdue. Remember the fuss about the millennium bug and our computer systems in the lead-up to the year 2000.
Belief in a benign God who is master of the universe has a steadying psychological effect, although it is no guarantee of Utopia, no guarantee that the continuing climate and geographic changes will be benign. In the past pagans sacrificed animals and even humans in vain attempts to placate capricious and cruel gods. Today they demand a reduction in carbon dioxide emissions.
Radical environmentalists are more than up to the task of moralizing their own agenda and imposing it on people through fear. They don’t need church leaders to help them with this, although it is a very effective way of further muting Christian witness. Church leaders in particular should be allergic to nonsense.
The Christian God is not an insurance broker, nor did his Son Jesus Christ say anything on global warming, although he said much on the struggle between good and evil, meaning and fear, love and hate. Jesus calls us to address the challenges in our own hearts, families, and communities before we moralize about distant worlds, where we are usually powerless.
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This is certainly a blow to AGW in my mind. I can't recollect a time the Catholic church was ever on the right side of an issue.
That's not anti-Catholic, by the way. I'm the same about all the other fairy tales.
That's not anti-Catholic, by the way. I'm the same about all the other fairy tales.
This is such BS.
We have to worry about Climate Change.. Like that is what we should be worried about.
I say we need Space exploration so we can leave earth.
We are floating around space on a huge target.. we have no viable way to get off this rock should the need arise.
How about if the Sun becomes a Red Giant.. boy the Global Alarmists will be able to say, "see what we did."
How about Gamma Rays cooking the earth.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iauIP8swfBY
Btw, happy new year!!!
We have to worry about Climate Change.. Like that is what we should be worried about.
I say we need Space exploration so we can leave earth.
We are floating around space on a huge target.. we have no viable way to get off this rock should the need arise.
How about if the Sun becomes a Red Giant.. boy the Global Alarmists will be able to say, "see what we did."
How about Gamma Rays cooking the earth.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iauIP8swfBY
Btw, happy new year!!!
People seek solace in all kinds of fairy tales. Whether or not global warming turns out to be a fairy tale remains to be seen.
Tried finding a cartoon combining Global Warming/Climate Change
with the Pope....but the Pope kept getting substituted by Al Gore.
That's kind'a funny all by itself.
with the Pope....but the Pope kept getting substituted by Al Gore.
That's kind'a funny all by itself.
Can we not just put all the mentalfloss Climate Change thread under one roof..
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...5-2015-year-businesses-recognize-climate.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/130584-b-c-carbon-tax-effective.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/130573-ontario-plans-climate-change-summit.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...-climate-change-threatens-strip-identity.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/s...128979-scientists-call-upon-pope-francis.html **
FFS..
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...5-2015-year-businesses-recognize-climate.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/130584-b-c-carbon-tax-effective.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/130573-ontario-plans-climate-change-summit.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...-climate-change-threatens-strip-identity.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/s...128979-scientists-call-upon-pope-francis.html **
FFS..
Watsa matter you.....JLM never complained about that?Can we not just put all the mentalfloss Climate Change thread under one roof..
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...5-2015-year-businesses-recognize-climate.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/130584-b-c-carbon-tax-effective.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/130573-ontario-plans-climate-change-summit.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...-climate-change-threatens-strip-identity.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/s...128979-scientists-call-upon-pope-francis.html **
FFS..
Obviously the pope sees money in this for the church. Vatican city doesn't have much in the line of manufacturing facilities so there is a potential to get some of that ill gotten wealth redistribution.
Seems to me that was asked for once a few months ago. Now he has a whole new bunch.
MF and waldo are in a dead heat for globull**** artist of the year.
Can we not just put all the mentalfloss Climate Change thread under one roof..
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...5-2015-year-businesses-recognize-climate.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/130584-b-c-carbon-tax-effective.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/130573-ontario-plans-climate-change-summit.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...-climate-change-threatens-strip-identity.html
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/s...128979-scientists-call-upon-pope-francis.html **
FFS..
Seems to me that was asked for once a few months ago. Now he has a whole new bunch.
MF and waldo are in a dead heat for globull**** artist of the year.
Not even close Bud. You at least have obviously put some thought into it. Just came out with the wrong answer.
I truly am heartened that you validate yourself through your interest in me! I will gladly engage your fixation and continue to remind you that you refused to answer the pointed question put to you... that you openly acknowledged that you have NO REASON... and that you stated you need NO REASON to have made your claim. I will relish each opportunity to highlight that you're simply one of the sycophantic lapdog followers blindly supporting another of your clubhouseBROs. Be well lapper, be well!
sad lil' facker you are! Any time, any facking time you'd like to actually step forward, out of your cloak... you safety blankee, of generalization and non-specificity... where you can actually make a statement and back it up, please do! :mrgreen: