Quit picking on the Shiny Pony

Colpy

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that sounds like a... lacking in care & judgement; effectively a disregard for so-called "collateral damage".

No....that would be firing indiscriminately at the enemy.......the casualties of women and children being an accidental result, "collateral damage"

The Liberal General Leslie accused them of firing at women and children, not militants.

By the way, the IDF took as much care as possible to avoid civilian casualties, so either accusation is wrong.

But what Leslie accused them of is murder.
 

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Excuse me?? A BA in history from Yale.......one of the best universities on earth. Followed by a Masters in Business from Harvard....often listed as the best university on earth.

Oh, and yes, a degree in history has a lot more to do with competent governance than a degree in Margaret Atwood.

Compared to a BA in literature....gee, he can read........and a B.Ed... hey!! I've got one of those!! Wanna see a brain-dead, politically correct, absolutely out of touch with reality group of faculty?? Go to any B.Ed program.

again, you'll lose if Dubya becomes your benchmark! It sure did take a long, long time to get Bush's transcripts, didn't it? And did Bush finally release them... or were they leaked? Are you maintaining Bush was a braniac at Yale? You do know how he got in right? Something about "strings pulled"... about his Pa being an alumni! George W. Bush... "the smart one"!!! Yeesh!
 

Colpy

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other than your boy Harper leveraging a split center-left/left vote, what makes your Dad such a "skilled politician"? :lol:

claiming Dubya was not an idiot... that he was simply "endearing", doesn't add credence to anything else you might presume to compare! Dubya's idiocy is legion!

Taking over a party that should have been a flash in the pan, keeping some very independently-minded MPs in line, and taking over completely what had been one of Canada's major parties since Confederation, and then taking over government.....winning two minority gov'ts, then a majority........smashing the "Natural Governing Party" and destroying three of their Messiahs............Martin, Dion, and Ignatief.

Please, keep under estimating him. :)

Oh, and yeah, George W. was not quite up to the task.

But he was a hell of a lot better than Obama.

George W. Bush... "the smart one"!!! Yeesh!

Only when compared to Justin Trudeau.
 

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that sounds like a... lacking in care & judgement; effectively a disregard for so-called "collateral damage".
No....that would be firing indiscriminately at the enemy.......the casualties of women and children being an accidental result, "collateral damage"

The Liberal General Leslie accused them of firing at women and children, not militants.

notwithstanding this reflects on the "Harper Conservative covert plant" sent in undercover to interview Leslie, the actual statement made was:

"Hamas throws more and more resources at it and more casualties are caused by the Israelis using very heavy weapons systems, firing indiscriminately onto Palestinian women and children."
oh look... there's a mention of Hamas (ala your enemy, militants references). Now don't you feel just a tad embarrassed you purposely avoided the proper context. Once again, you play footloose with context and choose to read what you (and what Sun News) wants to project. Firing at Hamas, without care and judgement, "indiscriminately"... not at... onto! Words have meaning Colby... words have meaning.
 

Colpy

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notwithstanding this reflects on the "Harper Conservative covert plant" sent in undercover to interview Leslie, the actual statement made was:
"Hamas throws more and more resources at it and more casualties are caused by the Israelis using very heavy weapons systems, firing indiscriminately onto Palestinian women and children."
oh look... there's a mention of Hamas (ala your enemy, militants references). Now don't you feel just a tad embarrassed you purposely avoided the proper context. Once again, you play footloose with context and choose to read what you (and what Sun News) wants to project. Firing at Hamas, without care and judgement, "indiscriminately"... not at... onto! Words have meaning Colby... words have meaning.

I see you still have not dealt with your cognitive and reading comprehension problems......

First of all, the Israelis do not fire indiscriminately into women and children. If they did so, it would be murder. Once again, Leslie did not say women and children were harmed accidentally by the Israelis firing at Hamas, he did not say that that Israel fired indiscriminately into Gaza hitting Hamas and civilians, he said the Israelis fired indiscriminately into women and children.

Words do have meaning, and someday you might actually figure out what they mean.....

BTW, it is Colpy, not Colby.
 

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You're kidding, right??

"...........firing indiscriminately onto Palestinian women and children,"

What the hell does that sound like to you???

It means to me that he doesn't think Israel is taking enough measures to prevent harm to civilians. It's a common theme. When you go to war you are going to hurt civilians; there's really no way around it. That doesn't mean they were murdered. I don't think the US and the Coalition of the Willing did enough to protect civilians in the 2003 invasion of Iraq. He presided over the violent deaths of tens of thousands of civilians. But I don't think for a moment that George W. Bush was a murderer.


Bush's gaffes were funny, endearing almost, stemming from his tendency to tangle up his words. Trudeau's gaffes are simply idiotic, pointing up his incompetence.

Bush ran against two of the biggest idiots and con artists in the Democratic Party; John Kerry and Al Gore. Trudeau is running against the most skilled politician Canada has seen in a long, long time.

That may be your own confirmation bias at play. Regardless, I was making the comparison that the common perception of Bush as intellectually not the match of his father didn't really do him much harm.
 

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Excuse me?? A BA in history from Yale.......one of the best universities on earth. Followed by a Masters in Business from Harvard....often listed as the best university on earth.

Oh, and yes, a degree in history has a lot more to do with competent governance than a degree in Margaret Atwood.

Compared to a BA in literature....gee, he can read........and a B.Ed... hey!! I've got one of those!! Wanna see a brain-dead, politically correct, absolutely out of touch with reality group of faculty?? Go to any B.Ed program.

Bush got into Yale on a legacy preference.. He freely admits he wasn't the best student. He had a so-so average in high school, and merely adequate SAT scores.

I've met dumb doctors and brilliant short-order cooks, so I myself don't attach much significance to the letters after a person's name.
 

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I see you still have not dealt with your cognitive and reading comprehension problems......

First of all, the Israelis do not fire indiscriminately into women and children. If they did so, it would be murder. Once again, Leslie did not say women and children were harmed accidentally by the Israelis firing at Hamas, he did not say that that Israel fired indiscriminately into Gaza hitting Hamas and civilians, he said the Israelis fired indiscriminately into women and children.

Words do have meaning, and someday you might actually figure out what they mean.....

BTW, it is Colpy, not Colby.

no again; "firing at Hamas, without care and judgement, "indiscriminately"... firing shells not at women and children... firing shells at Hamas that fall onto women and children"... because care and judgement in the firing is lacking. Why don't you try thinking for yourself for a change... tune out Sun News... and just think for yourself! Sun News ran with this, big time... right after they received the tape recording from the Harper Conservative covert plant who somehow managed to avoid identifying herself, her party association and that she was secretly recording. Your kind of antics, hey Colpy!
 

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haven't seen so many grown men with a bromance with the curly-locked nincom-puss...it's quite funny but revealing. :lol:
 

Colpy

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no again; "firing at Hamas, without care and judgement, "indiscriminately"... firing shells not at women and children... firing shells at Hamas that fall onto women and children"... because care and judgement in the firing is lacking. Why don't you try thinking for yourself for a change... tune out Sun News... and just think for yourself! Sun News ran with this, big time... right after they received the tape recording from the Harper Conservative covert plant who somehow managed to avoid identifying herself, her party association and that she was secretly recording. Your kind of antics, hey Colpy!


All very nice, but not what Leslie said.

Leslie said they were firing at women and children indiscriminately (without care or judgement), not they were firing at Hamas without care or judgement.

Say he misspoke, and I might accept that. But he said they were firing at women and children......which they were not doing.

Learn to read....then come back and talk to me.

Oh, then we can deal with Leslie's moving expenses, his testimony at war crimes trials, and his medal for things he didn't do.........what a star Liberal candidate!!
 

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notwithstanding this reflects on the "Harper Conservative covert plant" sent in undercover to interview Leslie, the actual statement made was:
"Hamas throws more and more resources at it and more casualties are caused by the Israelis using very heavy weapons systems, firing indiscriminately onto Palestinian women and children."​
All very nice, but not what Leslie said.
Leslie said they were firing at women and children indiscriminately (without care or judgement), not they were firing at Hamas without care or judgement.

Learn to read....then come back and talk to me.

I quoted you what Leslie said, verbatim! You choose to interpret the comment sans context... of course you do! As I said, again, "firing at Hamas, without care and judgement, "indiscriminately"... firing shells not at women and children... firing shells at Hamas that fall onto women and children"... because care and judgement in the firing is lacking.

Learn to read (and comprehend) for yourself... again, tune out Sun News and think for yourself!
 

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Even Walter has a thing for him



Allied bomber pilots dropped bombs on women and children. Do you consider them murderers as well?

Total war, in which all production goes to the war effort, and industry is driven by the civilian population........making the civilian population a target.

A different matter entirely, but troubling just the same.

I do not like that hundreds of thousands died under allied bombing....I lost an uncle on his 23rd bombing mission over Germany. I don't like that either. (although I obviously never met him)

Was it mass murder?? I honestly am divided on that.

I don't know.

I know Hiroshima and Nagasaki ended the war.

I know that one of the major causes of WWII was the fact that Germany's defeat was not driven home to the Germans at the end of WWI, as all the fighting was outside of Germany. They knew they were beaten at the end of WWII.

But I still don't know.

I guess as individuals, no aircrew were not murderers.

As a policy?


I'm glad those things were not my decision.

I quoted you what Leslie said, verbatim! You choose to interpret the comment sans context... of course you do! As I said, again, "firing at Hamas, without care and judgement, "indiscriminately"... firing shells not at women and children... firing shells at Hamas that fall onto women and children"... because care and judgement in the firing is lacking.

Learn to read (and comprehend) for yourself... again, tune out Sun News and think for yourself!

Leslie made it sound as though women and children were the target.

Like I said, when you learn to read, come on down and we'll talk.

Lovely how you are parsing language with a finely honed knife....mistakenly, but still.....it is obvious you don't really want to talk about General Leslie.

Moving expenses??

War crimes testimony??

Medals??

Not interested??
 

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Do you have to be a troll to be a Liberal, or does that just happen after they give you your frontal lobotomy??

That may be the confirmation bias again.

Leslie said they fired on women and children. That is murder.

No it isn't murder. Israel did fire on women and children. They said so. Their reasoning was that enemy fighters were using schools and homes as a base of operaitons. I wouldn't doubt it with Hamas. But when you hit a school to kill an enemy, it's not beyond the realm of imagination that you are going to kill some kids as well. And that's what happened.

from the Al-Fakhura School incident on wiki:

The IDF originally claimed that Hamas militants were inside the school, firing rockets and mortars.The next day, it was said that a mortar was fired from the playground. The IDF stated that among the Hamas gunmen inside the school were Imad and Hassan Abu-Askar, known to the IDF as Hamas rocket-launching operatives, and claimed to have found their bodies following the attack.[ The Israeli military declared that it responded with a single shell at the school, resulting in an explosion because Hamas had booby-trapped the school.

The situation is volatile enough already without making stuff up.
 

Colpy

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That may be the confirmation bias again.



No it isn't murder. Israel did fire on women and children. They said so. Their reasoning was that enemy fighters were using schools and homes as a base of operaitons. I wouldn't doubt it with Hamas. But when you hit a school to kill an enemy, it's not beyond the realm of imagination that you are going to kill some kids as well. And that's what happened.

from the Al-Fakhura School incident on wiki:

The IDF originally claimed that Hamas militants were inside the school, firing rockets and mortars.The next day, it was said that a mortar was fired from the playground. The IDF stated that among the Hamas gunmen inside the school were Imad and Hassan Abu-Askar, known to the IDF as Hamas rocket-launching operatives,and claimed to have found their bodies following the attack.[ The Israeli military declared that it responded with a single shell at the school, resulting in an explosion because Hamas had booby-trapped the school.

The situation is volatile enough already without making stuff up.

Oh Good Lord!!

No, they fired at Hamas. In fact, they warned civilians away whenever possible.

An analogy; If I am shooting at a deer, and I miss, and because I paid no attention to Rule Four I hit some other hunter, I did not fire at the other hunter, I fired at the deer.

If I fired at the other hunter, that is murder.

Leslie accused the IDF of firing at women and children.

That is murder.

This is all glaringly obvious.

(Rule Four: Be sure of your target and what lies beyond it)

You guys REALLY will go to any length to sideswipe a discussion of General Leslie and the Dummy Dauphin, won't you?
 

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Bush graduated Yale with a B.A. in History, and Harvard with a Master's in Business Administration.

Oh geez, sounds like political leaders massively screw up the things they major in.

Bush - BA History, MBA -> land wars in Asia, sinks world economy
Obama - BA Poli Sci, Constitutional Law professor -> can't manage branches of government, spies on everyone

What does this mean for Trudeau?