All in favour of changing charter of rights...

Machjo

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The change i'd make to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is to relegate it to a descriptive section in the Constitution, rather than one guaranteeing a legal remedy in the control of the courts.

All of the arguments against placing it as such in the Constitution have been realized. We have created a judicial tyranny.. without responsibility to the people of Canada through its elected representatives. The top court is filled with intellectual and moral mediocrities.. none more so than our Chief Justice, Bev MacLaughlin.. a radical 60s era feminist... and a fool totally out of her depth.

We have clogged the judicial system with inane 'human rights' cases that have fomented division and an attitude of assumed offense and separate and unequal privileges for 'victim's groups'. It has usurped Parliament's ability to create national unity and consensus.. taking into consideration the priorities and identity of the nation as whole.. rather than special interests.

A Charter of Rights and Freedoms of this sort is an ANATHEMA to a Parliamentary system.. which does not have the checks and balances to control it. It provides for a facile concept of rights, free of any commensurate responsibility to the community as as whole.

It was Pierre Trudeau's biggest blunder. It's been a disaster.

But the whole point of a Constitution is precisely to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. A country like Canada with over one hundred years of the residential school system, the Chinese Exclusion Act, the Gradual Civilization Act, the abrogation of the right of Germans to send their children to school in German after WWI, and Japanese internment are all examples of the problem with the tyranny of the majority without proper checks and balances, unless of course we started to expect the Governor General, while still remaining non-partisan, to exercize more authority in deciding whether or not to sign any Bill into law. But considering the public outcry, you'd need a Governor General with balls of steele to do that.

Even today on-reserve schools continue to be underfunded relative to other schools. And the list of majority abuses of democracy go on today. So definitely we need some kind of Constitution that protects the minority from the majority. Absolutely essential.
One problem with the current Charter though is that it was written by the majority to protect the interests fo the majority, which defeats the whole point of a Bill of Rights.
 

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What these anti religious zealots want is to take away everyone's freedom to believe what ever they want. They want to be able to force their own "non" belief system on everyone.

Oh I know. Someone always knows what is best for us. Scary ain't it.
 

SLM

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What these anti religious zealots want is to take away everyone's freedom to believe what ever they want. They want to be able to force their own "non" belief system on everyone.

Some people just aren't happy enough being able to live the lives they want, they also want to be nosy busybodies and dictate the lives of others. They think things should go one way and that everyone else should get in line with their way of thinking. It's such a selfish mindset.
 

Colpy

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Do you seriously believe this?

Damn!!

Old Timer's disease.....I keep clicking on the greenie instead of reply. :)

In answer to your question, I have never seen a proposition from a evangelical to stop atheists stating their case......so yes, I do believe it.
 

Sal

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I did, in Catholic school.
hm that's because you were smart.... I just figured ya had to pretend and play the game or they would punish me, so I knew to pretend and I knew to say the right things, but I didn't know I was restricted...I thought I had to think that way because authority had power and I was just little and nuns were mean but I knew in my heart that god was different and they were just human so I was good with that.
 

JLM

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The only thing I might insert would be "freedom from having religious fanatics and Bible thumpers trespassing on my property"
 

Corduroy

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Damn!!

Old Timer's disease.....I keep clicking on the greenie instead of reply. :)

In answer to your question, I have never seen a proposition from a evangelical to stop atheists stating their case......so yes, I do believe it.

Or in other words, you don't know what proselytize means.
 

Corduroy

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The only thing I might insert would be "freedom from having religious fanatics and Bible thumpers trespassing on my property"

"Forgive us your trespasses" - and as we know it's better to beg forgiveness than to ask for permission. Keeping Christians from trespassing would be a violation of their freedom of religion.
 

Colpy

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Or in other words, you don't know what proselytize means.

Actually, I do. My point (poorly made, I admit) was that evangelicals at least are willing to leave the field open for all to proselytize........

And I read a heck of a lot more atheists trying to ban religion and there upon by default force everyone into their world view than I read of evangelicals trying to convert people.

The only thing I might insert would be "freedom from having religious fanatics and Bible thumpers trespassing on my property"

They aren't trespassing until you tell them to get off, or have signage up.
 

MHz

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The only thing I might insert would be "freedom from having religious fanatics and Bible thumpers trespassing on my property"
Would that include here? Perhaps there should be freedom for believers in that non-believers don't talk about things they consider to be 'fantasy' after all that is why you try to get believers to do.
 

Sparrow

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Something needs to be done. Have you hear the two Hasidic men left their community because they want their children to have a public education. However there is more, they cannot read or write because in their schools only religion is taught. So, now they want to sure Child Service, Education Ministry and Gouvernment because they did not remove them from their parents so they would have a regular education. They want to sue for what their lifetime salary would be if they worked, you see they cannot find a job because besides not being able to read and write they cannot speak French or English.

Imaging how the s***t would have hit the fan if CS had tried to remove them from their parents. Would have immediately been a case for the CHRC. So you damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Personally I think our Prov. Gouv. should tell them to sue their own community.
 

Machjo

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I did, in Catholic school.

I did in the separate school system too. However, I would still defend the right of parents to choose, within reason, the education of their children. However, the Constitution aught not to promote one religion over others.
 

gerryh

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I did in the separate school system too. However, I would still defend the right of parents to choose, within reason, the education of their children. However, the Constitution aught not to promote one religion over others.




It doesn't