Trudeau Treats Protesters Very Differently Than Harper. He Talks To Them (VIDEO)

[taxslave]

You're right, there a lot of folks here that sling mud back and forth. Some are even real out and out rivalries. But there is a degree of bitter, bitter anger with this guy. It's different. No matter how bad some of the other mud slinging arguments get around here, he is really the only one I get a true sense of hatred from.

And to think that people died to give him the right to slag the system that he freeloads off of.

 

[Angstrom]

Every social society eventually turns to. We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us.
Communist is better in every form and way compared to capitalism. It's only flaw, is it doesn't work
Because of our basic natural behavior.

Humans only work as hard as they need to achieve survival.

Capitalism is 10 Times worst when you look at it, but because it's based on competition and the drive to win, a basic human nature to motivate us to work hard. It works.

I agree that socialism is much better. Unfortunately it has one thing very crucial missing. A whole lot of people working hard to make it work.

Humans can make any thing work. As long as you have a whole lot of people working hard to make it happen.

 

[Machjo]

I understand that he is irrationally angry and needs to calm down. It appears he has calmed down at least somewhat over the course of the thread. At the same time I recognize that he is a true believer. I'd flirted with communism too once, and learnt from it. We learn through experience, trial and error. How about we acknowledge his sincere belief and some legitimate strengths of socialism or communism and then just explain what we see as the strengths of capitalism. That way we can all learn. After all, while he can try to rebut a rational argument for capitalism, how is he supposed to rebut claims that he is stupid with no explanation of why we think that. An intelligent person would at least try to educate a person he thinks is wrong rather than just denigrate him?

Every social society eventually turns to. We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us.
Communist is better in every for and way compared to capitalism. It's only flaw, is it doesn't work
Because of our basic natural behavior.

Humans only work as hard as they need to achieve survival.

Capitalism is 10 Times worst when you look at it, but because it's based on competition and the drive to win, a basic human nature to motivate us to work hard. It works.

I agree that socialism is much better. Unfortunately it has one thing very crucial misvsing. A whole lot of people working hard to make it work.

Socialism does have the advantage in some cases. For example, 10 states recognize an official sign-language in their constitutions. Seeing that the deaf are at a disadvantage in the free market, de jure distinction in their favour would held to counterbalance due facto distinction against them in the private sector. The same for libraries buying more books in Braille and fewer in ink or other services for people with disabilities. These are just some examples of the superiority of socialism in some cases that the free market might not be able to address adequately.

 

[WLDB]

It can be said of Che that he was a true believer. A man to whom Marxism was a religion, to which he had a "road to Damascus" conversion.

A very dangerous deluded idealist. An enemy of liberty.

I got over my admiration of him before I hit 20 years of age.

I think thats part of the appeal or interest. I could admire what he was when he wrote and experienced the Motorcycle Diaries. What he wound up doing as a revolutionary - no, not at all. But I do find him to be a fascinating character because he was a true believer. He could have lived a long and comfortable life as a doctor almost anywhere. Instead he went on "a damn fooled idealistic crusade" which didn't benefit him at all. I did buy a wallet with his face on it a few years ago for the irony. He'd be pissed if he knew about that stuff.

Not really all that surprising, as he's not in a position where he can afford to piss anyone off!

He was still doing it before he was Liberal leader. At that time he could have afforded to piss off anyone he wanted to. He was just an MP at the time and it looked as though their then leader would be around for awhile.

Marxism is a religion, requiring a mindless faith in the perfectablity of man that would shame a mystic. It is ridiculous, dangerous, and absolutely incompatible with human nature.....which is why 100 million died in its wake in the last 100 years.

I'd say Stalinism or Maoism or Juche in North Korea are far more religious in nature than the stuff Marx wrote originally. I've often wondered what he would have thought if he had known what his writings would later inspire or influence others to do.

 

[JLM]

Well don't forget, this is the same guy who thought calling someone 'retarded' was a sign of his superior intellect. :roll:

Where do these angry, angry little people come from and can we put up an electric fence to keep them out? These are the things I want to know!

Yeah, hatred rears its ugly head in many forms, then there's sarcasm which I find worse in some ways. A wise man one told me sarcasm is a "weapon of the weak"...............not so sure about that as I can turn it on too when I have to.

Humans only work as hard as they need to achieve survival.

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That I would beg to differ with, I can probably think of at least a dozen people I've known who are real workaholics, to the point where they won't take any time off to have some fun and won't part with a nickel except for essentials. Of course it's a sickness. It's against the law to stick money in a coffin!

 

[WLDB]

That I would beg to differ with, I can probably think of at least a dozen people I've known who are real workaholics, to the point where they won't take any time off to have some fun and won't part with a nickel except for essentials. Of course it's a sickness. It's against the law to stick money in a coffin!

Those types are probably the exception rather than the rule. Every now and then I go through a workaholic phase but generally I prefer to just do the average. Even if I was set for life financially Id still work. I was unemployed for nearly a year once and after the first 2 weeks or so it becomes incredibly boring. If I can I'll work in one form or another til I either cant go on or drop dead.

 

[JLM]

Those types are probably the exception rather than the rule. Every now and then I go through a workaholic phase but generally I prefer to just do the average. Even if I was set for life financially Id still work. I was unemployed for nearly a year once and after the first 2 weeks or so it becomes incredibly boring. If I can I'll work in one form or another til I either cant go on or drop dead.

I've been retired for 16 years and can probably count the number of boring days on two hands. You have to learn how to putter and limit your activities to two or three things a day. Whatever you do make sure to save some for tomorrow. I can understand workaholic spells, where you have to keep your nose to the grindstone to pay some debt or pay for a holiday or new vehicle, but you can see light at the end of the tunnels, it's just a necessity not an obsession.

 

[Angstrom]

We are a very, very predictable species.

I don't know who deer lady is nor does it matter much for this discussion.

The further an individual or a society evolves and the further away they are from meeting their base requirements the great their potential to use their brain for the greater good.

Here is the deer lady calling in to a radio.

Here is a good example of what happens when humans evolve further away from basic human behavior and natural habitat.

Please Move Deer Crossing - Donna "The Deer Lady":

Our lives become so distorted and unrealistic that we no longer live in reality. We no longer understand the reality of our planet. We no longer have solid understanding we can base our decision on. We lose the ability to reason. We are lost.

Our ability to make good decisions has been compromised.

Donna the deer lady is a perfect example of what I'm saying

 

[SLM]

Here is the deer lady calling in to a radio.

Here is a good example of what happens when humans evolve further away from basic human behavior and natural habitat.

Please Move Deer Crossing - Donna "The Deer Lady": Please Move Deer Crossing - Donna "The Deer Lady" - YouTube

Our lives become so distorted and unrealistic that we no longer live in reality. We no longer understand the reality of our planet. We no longer have solid understanding we can base our decision on. We lose the ability to reason. We are lost.

Our ability to make good decisions has been compromised.

Donna the deer lady is a perfect example of what I'm saying

You know she's not real right? Donna the Deer Lady is a fake.

 

[Angstrom]

You know she's not real right? Donna the Deer Lady is a fake.

Prove it

 

[Sal]

Here is the deer lady calling in to a radio.

Here is a good example of what happens when humans evolve further away from basic human behavior and natural habitat.

Please Move Deer Crossing - Donna "The Deer Lady": Please Move Deer Crossing - Donna "The Deer Lady" - YouTube

Our lives become so distorted and unrealistic that we no longer live in reality. We no longer understand the reality of our planet. We no longer have solid understanding we can base our decision on. We lose the ability to reason. We are lost.

Our ability to make good decisions has been compromised.

Donna the deer lady is a perfect example of what I'm saying

So from what you are saying, you recommend we leave the city return to cave dwelling and live a hunter gatherer existence in order to be able to reason correctly? And then we will make good decisions?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

let me know what world you're living in, seems oddly fascinating. a world where i rebuttal and accurate refute everything comprehensively is getting my "*** thoroughly handed" to me. lolol. perhaps you're dim witted?

Oh is that what you called it? A rebuttal. I had no idea pissing your pants and screaming like a four year old girl was a form of rebuttal.

 

[WLDB]

Oh is that what you called it? A rebuttal. I had no idea pissing your pants and screaming like a four year old girl was a form of rebuttal.

Guess you havent had much experience with children.

 

[Angstrom]

So from what you are saying, you recommend we leave the city return to cave dwelling and live a hunter gatherer existence in order to be able to reason correctly? And then we will make good decisions?

I'm not suggesting anything. But yes growing up in a highly distorted reality is definitely not very good for our children's ability to make good decisions.

Our potential is greater than the typical animal, but we are only animals regardless. The further away we develop from nature, the harder it will be to raise functional children.

Socialism is much better overall. But it's such a unrealistic distortion of reality, it can't really work very well.

Capitalism is much more cruel, but it's closer to our natural hunter gathering roots. That's why it work s.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Guess you havent had much experience with children.

LOL. Yes I have.