First Nations girl chooses traditional medicine over chemo
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That would be including yourself right?
I'll tell you what is interesting. It's interesting how you always seem to be able to ascertain the slightest of implied meanings behind anyone's expression when it comes to scoring some lame-assed internet argument point, yet nothing here is black and white enough for you.
Get off your ****ing high horse.
The father of ten-year-old Tamar Stitt - who died from cancer after she was given treatment with mud rather than chemotherapy - has claimed he himself was treated for various ailments by clay sourced from hills south of Perth.
Trevor Stitt, who is a trained anaesthetist, was today called to give evidence in the inquest of Tamar, who died in 2009 in El Salvador.
She was taken there by her parents after health authorities began legal action to force them to agree to chemotherapy, after resisting the treatment for a massive tumour in the ten year-old's liver.
Doctors in Perth and South America told Mr Stitt and his wife Arely that the girl would die without urgent treatment.
But they refused until Tamar was too sick to walk, and she died of septic shock after the drugs were belatedly administered.
An inquest is being held to probe how Tamar died, and whether immediate chemotherapy could have saved her.
And on the witness stand, Mr Stitt told how he had been treated for a cut thumb, chest infections, and knee injuries using the red clay, which is wrapped in a towel and pressed on the affected area for hours.
Mr Stitt admitted the first time his wife suggested the treatment, when he cut his thumb, he was incredulous.
"I asked her if she was mad," Mr Stitt said.
But he told the inquest the cut healed, without infection.
And with his wife's family insisting they had been cured of all manner of illnesses - including cancers - by the clay, that was the treatment that was suggested by them for Tamar.
"I have to admit I was skeptical to begin," Mr Stitt said.
Mr Stitt said his mother-in-law, who now lives near Kenwick, still uses the mud sourced near her home to treat herself and her husband, and the same mud was used on him.
The inquest continues.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/latest/a/23331836/father-of-cancer-girl-cured-by-mud/
Trevor Stitt, who is a trained anaesthetist, was today called to give evidence in the inquest of Tamar, who died in 2009 in El Salvador.
She was taken there by her parents after health authorities began legal action to force them to agree to chemotherapy, after resisting the treatment for a massive tumour in the ten year-old's liver.
Doctors in Perth and South America told Mr Stitt and his wife Arely that the girl would die without urgent treatment.
But they refused until Tamar was too sick to walk, and she died of septic shock after the drugs were belatedly administered.
An inquest is being held to probe how Tamar died, and whether immediate chemotherapy could have saved her.
And on the witness stand, Mr Stitt told how he had been treated for a cut thumb, chest infections, and knee injuries using the red clay, which is wrapped in a towel and pressed on the affected area for hours.
Mr Stitt admitted the first time his wife suggested the treatment, when he cut his thumb, he was incredulous.
"I asked her if she was mad," Mr Stitt said.
But he told the inquest the cut healed, without infection.
And with his wife's family insisting they had been cured of all manner of illnesses - including cancers - by the clay, that was the treatment that was suggested by them for Tamar.
"I have to admit I was skeptical to begin," Mr Stitt said.
Mr Stitt said his mother-in-law, who now lives near Kenwick, still uses the mud sourced near her home to treat herself and her husband, and the same mud was used on him.
The inquest continues.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/latest/a/23331836/father-of-cancer-girl-cured-by-mud/
'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves
A Florida health resort licensed as a “massage establishment” is treating a young Ontario First Nations girl with leukemia using cold laser therapy, Vitamin C injections and a strict raw food diet, among other therapies.
The mother of the 11-year-old girl, who cannot be identified because of a publication ban, says the resort’s director, Brian Clement, who goes by the title “Dr.,” told her leukemia is “not difficult to treat.”
Another First Nations girl, Makayla Sault, was also treated at Hippocrates Health Institute in West Palm Beach and is now critically ill after a relapse of her leukemia.
The resort has declined CBC’s request for an interview with Clement, who is described as a “naturopathic doctor” on the resort’s website.
But the Florida state health authority has said Clement is not a licensed doctor or naturopath, and inquiries regarding the institutions where he is described in online biographies as having earned degrees have raised questions about their credibility.
The 11-year-old girl was receiving chemotherapy at McMaster Children’s Hospital in Hamilton. Doctors gave her a 90 to 95 per cent of survival with chemotherapy.
But her mother says she wanted to pursue a combination of traditional indigenous medicine and alternative therapies because she believes chemotherapy is “poison.”
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'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves - Aboriginal - CBC
A Florida health resort licensed as a “massage establishment” is treating a young Ontario First Nations girl with leukemia using cold laser therapy, Vitamin C injections and a strict raw food diet, among other therapies.
The mother of the 11-year-old girl, who cannot be identified because of a publication ban, says the resort’s director, Brian Clement, who goes by the title “Dr.,” told her leukemia is “not difficult to treat.”
Another First Nations girl, Makayla Sault, was also treated at Hippocrates Health Institute in West Palm Beach and is now critically ill after a relapse of her leukemia.
The resort has declined CBC’s request for an interview with Clement, who is described as a “naturopathic doctor” on the resort’s website.
But the Florida state health authority has said Clement is not a licensed doctor or naturopath, and inquiries regarding the institutions where he is described in online biographies as having earned degrees have raised questions about their credibility.
The 11-year-old girl was receiving chemotherapy at McMaster Children’s Hospital in Hamilton. Doctors gave her a 90 to 95 per cent of survival with chemotherapy.
But her mother says she wanted to pursue a combination of traditional indigenous medicine and alternative therapies because she believes chemotherapy is “poison.”
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'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves - Aboriginal - CBC
Re: 'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves
Time for child endangerment authorities to step in
so I just watched buddy on his video and he claims they have cured more cancer than any other institute...this guy is a scumbucket of the first order.
and they are paying him thousands of dollars...this must be illegal
Time for child endangerment authorities to step in
so I just watched buddy on his video and he claims they have cured more cancer than any other institute...this guy is a scumbucket of the first order.
and they are paying him thousands of dollars...this must be illegal
Re: 'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves
The girls is not an ndn but rather a Canadian citizen and deserves all the rights and protections any other Canadian child would receive in this situation.
The girls is not an ndn but rather a Canadian citizen and deserves all the rights and protections any other Canadian child would receive in this situation.
Re: 'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves
Thank gawd.
They tried, a court ruled against them.
Thank gawd.
Why? Because you know her better than her parents, or herself?
Judge rejects application to take aboriginal girl from family for chemo
Judge rejects application to take aboriginal girl from family for chemo - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton
An Ontario judge has dismissed an application to take an aboriginal girl from her family for chemotherapy.
The judge was deciding whether the Children’s Aid Society should intervene in the case of an aboriginal girl whose family removed her from chemotherapy at a Hamilton hospital in favour of traditional medicine. The girl has been undergoing treatment for leukemia in Florida.
Judge Gethin Edward has presided over the complicated and potentially precedent-setting Brantford, Ont., court case since it began on Sept. 25.
"I cannot find that J.J. is a child in need of protection when her substitute decision-maker has chosen to exercise her constitutionally protected right to pursue their traditional medicine over the Applicant's stated course of treatment of chemotherapy," Edward said, as he read his ruling aloud.
Edward, citing the testimony of two McMaster Children’s Hospital doctors, agreed the child wasn't capable of making her own medical decisions. But he found it was the mother’s aboriginal rights — which he called “integral” to the family’s way of life — allow her to choose traditional medicine for her daughter.
"This is monumental," said Laforme. "It reaffirms our right to be Indian and to practise our medicines in the traditional way."
Hill said the mother is "overjoyed," with the news.
When asked about what specific treatment the girl is receiving now, Hill declined to say, adding that was between the family and the girl's traditional healer — which Hill said involves the same confidentiality of a doctor-patient relationship.
The mother, Hill said, "has the right to do whatever she wants to try and save her child."
Officials from the Brant County Children's Aid Society also welcomed Edward's ruling, saying it prevents the "trauma" of taking the girl away from her family while she was being treated.
Brant CAS executive director Andrew Koster said his organization's argument wasn't based on the relative merits of medical treatments, but on the fact that the case involved a loving mother who would have been separated from her daughter.
"This was going to be two years of chemo. Does that mean we were going to take this child away for two years? And suppose she didn't make it?" Koster said.
"I truly did not believe that we should be taking her into care," he said.
Judge rejects application to take aboriginal girl from family for chemo - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton
An Ontario judge has dismissed an application to take an aboriginal girl from her family for chemotherapy.
The judge was deciding whether the Children’s Aid Society should intervene in the case of an aboriginal girl whose family removed her from chemotherapy at a Hamilton hospital in favour of traditional medicine. The girl has been undergoing treatment for leukemia in Florida.
Judge Gethin Edward has presided over the complicated and potentially precedent-setting Brantford, Ont., court case since it began on Sept. 25.
"I cannot find that J.J. is a child in need of protection when her substitute decision-maker has chosen to exercise her constitutionally protected right to pursue their traditional medicine over the Applicant's stated course of treatment of chemotherapy," Edward said, as he read his ruling aloud.
Edward, citing the testimony of two McMaster Children’s Hospital doctors, agreed the child wasn't capable of making her own medical decisions. But he found it was the mother’s aboriginal rights — which he called “integral” to the family’s way of life — allow her to choose traditional medicine for her daughter.
"This is monumental," said Laforme. "It reaffirms our right to be Indian and to practise our medicines in the traditional way."
Hill said the mother is "overjoyed," with the news.
When asked about what specific treatment the girl is receiving now, Hill declined to say, adding that was between the family and the girl's traditional healer — which Hill said involves the same confidentiality of a doctor-patient relationship.
The mother, Hill said, "has the right to do whatever she wants to try and save her child."
Officials from the Brant County Children's Aid Society also welcomed Edward's ruling, saying it prevents the "trauma" of taking the girl away from her family while she was being treated.
Brant CAS executive director Andrew Koster said his organization's argument wasn't based on the relative merits of medical treatments, but on the fact that the case involved a loving mother who would have been separated from her daughter.
"This was going to be two years of chemo. Does that mean we were going to take this child away for two years? And suppose she didn't make it?" Koster said.
"I truly did not believe that we should be taking her into care," he said.
Re: 'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves
I think chemotherapy is so foul and horrendous I think anyone should have the right to refuse it. Having said that though I think there should be a special place in hell for charlatans who claim to be able to "cure" cancer.
I think chemotherapy is so foul and horrendous I think anyone should have the right to refuse it. Having said that though I think there should be a special place in hell for charlatans who claim to be able to "cure" cancer.
Re: 'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves
no chemo for her
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/129731-judge-rejects-application-take-aboriginal.html
we'll see if he cures her
Nope after examining this case for two months a judge says they can continue to leave her at the massage clinic.
no chemo for her
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/129731-judge-rejects-application-take-aboriginal.html
we'll see if he cures her
Re: Judge rejects application to take aboriginal girl from family for chemo
I looked and missed it- The benefits of getting old. Could not see the fonts.
I looked and missed it- The benefits of getting old. Could not see the fonts.
Re: 'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves
I guess I know too many people who have survived with chemo...with those odds, I would puke for six months
are you saying if your doctor gave you odds of a 90% cure you would reject chemo and go with a raw diet?
I guess I know too many people who have survived with chemo...with those odds, I would puke for six months
Re: 'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves
Exactly. Taking advantage of people at their most desperate. If that's not evil, then I don't know what is.
Exactly. Taking advantage of people at their most desperate. If that's not evil, then I don't know what is.
Re: Judge rejects application to take aboriginal girl from family for chemo
yeah this is I think thread three Goob
Re: Judge rejects application to take aboriginal girl from family for chemo
Maybe we could turn this into a thread on the benefits of getting old. Cause I hear there's a few. me, I plan on staying as immature as possible for as long as possible.
Maybe we could turn this into a thread on the benefits of getting old. Cause I hear there's a few. me, I plan on staying as immature as possible for as long as possible.
Re: 'Doctor' treating First Nations girls says cancer patients can heal themselves
Then your choice would be to accept the chemo. I'm not sure what mine would be, it would depend on the circumstances and the cancer involved. But it can be torturous, many would say worse than the disease.
And chemo can severely damage your immune system.
Then your choice would be to accept the chemo. I'm not sure what mine would be, it would depend on the circumstances and the cancer involved. But it can be torturous, many would say worse than the disease.
And chemo can severely damage your immune system.