I know of a power company that can sell them proven systems to capture their coal CO2 to export down pipelines to extract more middle east and eastern China oil.
Cool huh?
There are hundreds $trillions to be made on CO2.
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Cool huh?
There are hundreds $trillions to be made on CO2.
There is no such thing as a climate scientist. In case you haven't figured out what the deafening din about climate change is really about I will tell you, it's to take your mind off and away from the bloating world war and the tanking economy. Long before climate change kills millions billions will succumb during the coming economic reordering, climate change is diversion and nothing else.
China is living in toxic smoke. They would shrug it off and simply say...
"You'll drown in our mucus."
"You'll drown in our mucus."
Guess that they got a problem then.
If they don't see any need to get it fixed, then don't look to me to fix it for ya
Clearly they don't see a need but would certainly take any money and technology from the west to get it "fixed".
That's what this is all about anyways... $$$$... dolla' bills ya'll.
Yep... Just like you pointed out a long time ago, the functional question is; How many bank transfers are needed to address global warming?
I think it is an extremely fair concern that governments might use a crisis such as climate change to their taxation advantage and to use the windfall for anything other than preventing or dealing with the affects of AGW. Given the past histories of all governments of all types I essentially agree with you here.
Here is an easy one you can do yourself if you live in Canada. Go downtown with a thermometer and take the temperature and have a friend equally skeptical take a temperature standing in a field in a farm at least 20 mi from any city urban build up. Your results will vary by upwards of 5 degrees celsius depending on time of day and year. Take a measurement of the depth of snow or the amount of moisture in the soil on non irrigated land and compare it with a similar nonirrigated patch in the city. Thus you will have established as fact that at least at a micro level, mankind has an effect on the climate around us both through temperature and precipitation that you can touch and feel and see personally instead of reading dry data.
You're just flat out wrong here. Reference my earlier post from NASA and the list of two hundred current scientific groups in the link which constitute almost all the world's climate scientists and feel free to refute with verifiable data to the contrary if you can.
I am not a scientist but guys like Tonnington who are tell me all the time there are no absolutes in science and that it is essentially just a process of test, observe, change variable, test observe change variable and so on. As the understanding off climate becomes more sophisticated and the input values and variable are better understood new theories and directions will be pursued but overall the core of the hypothesis remains the same.
If your perception of failed scientific absolutes is what you hang your skeptical hat on you'd better reevaluate that because that type of thinking is like looking at a Hockey News assessment on the future of the league in the 21st century from 1975 and expecting it to accurately predict league expansion and labour strife.
You need to absorb things in context and be less concerned about the future predictions and how you'll think they'll fail and more concerned about the past and present realities.
And don't get too hung up on terminology like global warming or climate change. These are just words at the time to best reflect the understanding of the issue in layman's terms. The semantics of words like "crash can mean auto accident, a drop in the Stock Market, to attend a party without being invited, ocean waves hitting the shore or the sound of a cymbals being struck together". As climate change research is even still in it's infancy expect more sophisticated terminology as we learn more.
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Looks to me that the cure requires everyone to suffer pain and I am not sure there is an illness.
I wouldn't get all steamed up about it every other climate change declaration has failed in the
past that is why we keep making new ones. China and America are both in some difficulty
its better to talk about crap that doesn't focus on the real problems.
Yes there is likely climate change and that is going to happen whether we do anything or not
climate change has been going on since the beginning of time and will continue when the
pigeons are the number one species on earth.
I wouldn't get all steamed up about it every other climate change declaration has failed in the
past that is why we keep making new ones. China and America are both in some difficulty
its better to talk about crap that doesn't focus on the real problems.
Yes there is likely climate change and that is going to happen whether we do anything or not
climate change has been going on since the beginning of time and will continue when the
pigeons are the number one species on earth.
Throughout most of Earth's history the earth has been uninhabitable to human beings. If you theoretically had a time machine you'd have to be very careful where you wound up as the window of climate compatibility for us is very small vs the overall length of time the earth has existed. Having said that, our species is the first that can deliberately impact climate change and by extension the process is happening faster than at anytime before whose history we can evaluate..
Shrugging your shoulders because the problem is too big to consider is not the solution and does a real disservice to future generations. We owe it to the Canadians who are coming after us to inherit a world better and cleaner and healthier than the one we did because every future generation stands on the shoulders of the previous.
So... how many electronic bank transfers from Europe and N. America to the rest of the world will it take again?
How many hundreds of millions of years?
How many hundreds of millions of years?
As a climatologist, you study weather patterns and the processes that cause them. You use long-term meteorological data such as temperature, wind speed, and precipitation to study trends, understand causes, and make predictions. Often confused with meteorologists, who study short-term weather patterns, you forecast weather changes over the span of years rather than days. Considering that long-term climate change affects every aspect of our lives and our environment, your work is crucial to sustaining and preserving the world's ecosystems.
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Holy moly, you forgot to add a Moose Mason type "D'uh" to the end of that sentence.
It's almost impossible to have an intelligent debate about climate here but I am genuinely learning why there are so many people on TV who answer "four" when asked how many sides to a triangle or can't pick out their country on a map.
In case you haven't figured out what the deafening din about climate change is really about I will tell you, it's to take your mind off and away from the bloating world war and the tanking economy. Long before climate change kills millions billions will succumb during the coming economic reordering, climate change is diversion and nothing else.
And Bush orchestrated 9/11 to justify a war in Iraq, _____________ killed JFK because __________, and NASA faked the moon landings.
For anyone who is not a tin folier here is an interesting read on where they come from:
Why People Believe Conspiracy Theories - Scientific American
The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old but depending on how you define "habitable" between 300-500 million years. If we don't cock things up too bad the Earth would in theory remain habitable for an additional 1.7 billion years not accounting for the periods of extinction events and their causes.
You sir are making bold statements that have no basis in fact.
1. The age of the earth is unknown.
2. The constituent parts of the human have been here since day one.
3. There exists innumerable histories of planetary devastation unapproachable by any present CO2 discrepancy.
4. The physical forces regulating this planets climate are so far greater magnitude than puny anthropocentric misadventures we could ever contemplate as to render them pipe dreams.
5. The non anthropocentric caused problem tagged "climate change" is the norm and always will be.
6. You cavalierly recommend maitenence of an ideal condition that has never existed and never can exist.
The evaluation of history is best undertaken maximum critical thinking fully engaged especially in light of the woefully inaccurate histories thus far foisted upon the unsuspecting masses.
7. The anthropocentric superiority complex will be found wanting against the forces conducting the physical regulation of this solar system.
8 Al Gore won a Nobel prize, that alone should direct your thinking toward the bag of sponge hammers you've purchased.
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Dude... get a grip.
You're going to be just fine. You alarmists are so emotionally invested in this religion that you can't think straight.
The Climate has and will change.
gee... my mistake. I guess when you say the following you weren't implying "ALL" then, hey? So what then... only some models haven't completely accurately predicted??? Which, I guess, is you saying "some models have accurately predicted events"... good on ya then! :lol:
As a climatologist, you study weather patterns and the processes that cause them. You use long-term meteorological data such as temperature, wind speed, and precipitation to study trends, understand causes, and make predictions. Often confused with meteorologists, who study short-term weather patterns, you forecast weather changes over the span of years rather than days. Considering that long-term climate change affects every aspect of our lives and our environment, your work is crucial to sustaining and preserving the world's ecosystems.
Occupational Profiles - Climatologist | ECO Canada
Holy moly, you forgot to add a Moose Mason type "D'uh" to the end of that sentence.
It's almost impossible to have an intelligent debate about climate here but I am genuinely learning why there are so many people on TV who answer "four" when asked how many sides to a triangle or can't pick out their country on a map.
And Bush orchestrated 9/11 to justify a war in Iraq, _____________ killed JFK because __________, and NASA faked the moon landings.
For anyone who is not a tin folier here is an interesting read on where they come from:
Why People Believe Conspiracy Theories - Scientific American
The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old but depending on how you define "habitable" between 300-500 million years. If we don't cock things up too bad the Earth would in theory remain habitable for an additional 1.7 billion years not accounting for the periods of extinction events and their causes.
That's one. There are psychologists calling themselves climate scientists.
you could say the same thing about the U.S.! Oh wait, do you think the U.S. wouldn't craft something in the agreement to ensure the Chinese are complying to meet their peak 2030 commitment? Do you actually know how these formal agreements have been structured in the past... that there are checks and balances put in to measure change, to measure emission levels? Perhaps you should check out Kyoto 1 and Kyoto 2 treaties to actually see the due-diligence components... you know, something about nations wanting to check other nations and hold the to their commitments.