Quit picking on the Shiny Pony

waldo

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Canada certainly wants to help... It's just that most folks believe that helping in a form that stops the bloodshed and senseless murders is more effective than sending a box of a band-aids when someone is chopped into little pieces

not all/every country thought it had to "help" by sending bomb-trucks, did they? Again, Germany, Italy, Norway... no bomb-trucks... wassup with them? There are many ways for military involvement other than a direct combat role; do you really think 6 bomb-trucks added makes a hill of beans difference to what the U.S./UK will bring? So ya, taking a leading role in support/assistance for refugees... what a concept, hey?
 

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not all/every country thought it had to "help" by sending bomb-trucks, did they? Again, Germany, Italy, Norway... no bomb-trucks... wassup with them? There are many ways for military involvement other than a direct combat role; do you really think 6 bomb-trucks added makes a hill of beans difference to what the U.S./UK will bring? So ya, taking a leading role in support/assistance for refugees... what a concept, hey?

So, oh Liberal one, what about R2P, the much-touted Liberal Party of Canada introduced "Responsibility to Protect"?

I guess you guys were just talking through your hat, talking tough as it were.......but when push comes to shove........well, too bad for the victims of genocide. Gee, am I ever surprised.

BTW, R2P does NOT mean protect against a cool breeze.

Personally, I do not think we are doing enough. I think we should slip the leash on JTF2, and let their commanders on the ground decide when to move and fight with the Kurds.

ISIS needs to be killed. To the last man.

Mr. Fluffy is a fvcking moron.

You do not deal with genocide by sending parkas.
 

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not all/every country thought it had to "help" by sending bomb-trucks, did they? Again, Germany, Italy, Norway... no bomb-trucks... wassup with them? There are many ways for military involvement other than a direct combat role; do you really think 6 bomb-trucks added makes a hill of beans difference to what the U.S./UK will bring? So ya, taking a leading role in support/assistance for refugees... what a concept, hey?


Good point... Maybe you and Justine can send a few shipments of t-shirts with the message 'Stop the Violence' (maybe with a frowny face on it).

That'll be so much more appreciated as it does make a difference.
 

CDNBear

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You are so considerate.... You dropped that in because you suspect Waldo is a fashionista, right?
I suspect most of the people who blindly follow the hairdo, are shallow, mindless and easily swayed by pretty things.

Substance is likely a foreign concept to them.
 

Colpy

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ITT, warmongers mock humanitarian aid.

Providing parkas to those about to be massacred deserves nothing but mockery.

Robert Kennedy once said "In a crisis, expect all aid from Canada short of actual help".

I wonder if the Liberals were in gov't then??

Wanna bet?
 

Corduroy

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Providing parkas to those about to be massacred deserves nothing but mockery.

There is an actual humanitarian crisis going on in the region. In wars people actually die of things other than bombs and bullets. The situation in Iraq and Syria is not your cowboy fantasy. This is a confluence of two tendencies of willful ignorance. The details about foreign crises when killing people is an option and Justin Trudeau existing. Can you imagine if Trudeau suggested we bring in refugees from this? Your head would explode!

Robert Kennedy once said "In a crisis, expect all aid from Canada short of actual help".

I wonder if the Liberals were in gov't then??

Wanna bet?

You can find out on "the internet". First search the quote and find out when he said it. Then find a list of Canadian PMs and find out who was in office at the time.
 

Colpy

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There is an actual humanitarian crisis going on in the region. In wars people actually die of things other than bombs and bullets. The situation in Iraq and Syria is not your cowboy fantasy. This is a confluence of two tendencies of willful ignorance. The details about foreign crises when killing people is an option and Justin Trudeau existing. Can you imagine if Trudeau suggested we bring in refugees from this? Your head would explode!



You can find out on "the internet". First search the quote and find out when he said it. Then find a list of Canadian PMs and find out who was in office at the time.

Yes, there certainly a humanitarian crisis from the war in Syria.....to which we have donated $630 million, and offered to take in 1365 refugees (I hope to God they are Christian)

But that is not a solution. In fact, there is no solution. But the way to end genocide is kill ISIS. The only way.

Reality bites.
 

Sal

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Yes, there certainly a humanitarian crisis from the war in Syria.....to which we have donated $630 million, and offered to take in 1365 refugees (I hope to God they are Christian)

But that is not a solution. In fact, there is no solution. But the way to end genocide is kill ISIS. The only way.

Reality bites.

they aren't
 

waldo

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So, oh Liberal one, what about R2P, the much-touted Liberal Party of Canada introduced "Responsibility to Protect"?

I guess you guys were just talking through your hat, talking tough as it were.......but when push comes to shove........well, too bad for the victims of genocide. Gee, am I ever surprised.

BTW, R2P does NOT mean protect against a cool breeze.

obviously R2P is much broader than one country/one party; I expect you don't want to elevate R2P to its UN attachments, right? Typically, conservative types bristle when they're forced to recognize/realize UN precepts are at play. In any case, you do know that R2P doesn't necessitate any particular country assume a combat role, it does compel countries to assist... as in, for example, humanitarian aid. Both Opposition parties outlined exactly why they could not support the Harper Conservative pursuit, a big part of which came down to the standard/typical Harper refusal to be fully transparent and accountable. The much respected Irwin Cotler response properly sums up how many on the left view the Harper want to, "get his war on":

Admittedly, R2P is not limited to military action. Together with my colleagues in the Liberal Party, I have long proposed a series of non-military initiatives to come to the aid of civilians in Syria and Iraq, including enhanced humanitarian assistance, protection for victims of sexual violence, and criminal prosecution of the perpetrators of international crimes, including Syrian President Assad. Yet, when confronted by radical evil – by the genocidal slaughter of innocents – force may be required. Indeed, it is because of international inaction three years ago against Syria’s criminal Assad regime that radical jihadists – including ISIL – have been able to take root, develop, and engage in a campaign of abhorrent brutality.
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At the same time, the Government’s motion lacks clarity about what the strategic nature and limits of Canada’s mission will be. It mentions airstrike capability as only one element of a larger contribution of unnamed Canadian military assets; it does not specify where these assets will be deployed; and it has been less clear than warranted about the mission’s objectives, costs, command, and rules of engagement.
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Moreover, the Government has neither briefed nor consulted with the leaders of the opposition, nor has it shared more fulsome information about the mission that would have helped Parliamentarians to make an informed choice.