Harper unveils controversial marquee tax relief for Canadian families

[Angstrom]

really, you know this how...you've done studies on poverty or you're just pulling that out of the air?

I know this because I was a lower income family once, making bad decisions, and have learned the hard way that if I consistently make good decision I will grow my money and what wouldn't you know, I have been a high income family now for the last 5 years, cause I'm making good decisions and working my a$$ off. No studies nothing. Just pure life experience and logic.

If you decide to quit smoking drinking, stop eating out and cook your own food every day. Prepare some soup and other cost effective solution for your weekday lunchtime. That's called making good decisions. Do that year round and you just saved yourself a whole lot of disposable income.

Saved me around 3000$ a year.

I spend many hours learning every thing there is to know about my work instead of watching TV. I spend a great many hours organizing, cleaning making sure every thing is perfect. From experience I can guarantee that good decisions based on real facts translate into success.

What study do you need? It's called common sense.

If you need a study to explain to you that making the good decision to show up on time at work, consistently perform high quality work. Keep you're break and lunch to the designated time given, report to your superior any problems that happens, that those decisions will be moving you up in you're career in no time.

Then yes if you can't understand those simple facts you'll never be more then a lower income family. And no amount of tax credits from the government will change that.

 

[taxslave]

So how long did it take you to learn everything there is to know about washing dishes at a takeout?

 

[Angstrom]

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Probably also easy to say when one is above the poverty line and one is bored to tears on a Saturday morning after failed attempts to get laid at a sleazy bar and needs to blow frustration for other elements in ones life to feel like one is in control?

Just guessing

Probably easy to say when one just got up on a Saturday morning and is looking forward to my days work cause I'm getting ready to go make a whole lot of cash and is a little bit frustrated cause his wife is pregnant with his 3rd and hasn't got layed cause he is faithful and in complete control .

So how long did it take you to learn everything there is to know about washing dishes at a takeout?

Ha! Good one

15 years and I'm still learning taxslave lol
I can wash dishes like you wouldn't believe
If I keep this up I'll be washing dishes for the queen in a few years.

I'm sorry you're life sucks taxslave, but you only have yourself to blame.

 

[peoplesadvocate]

He knows that the budget will not be balanced , why believe it would ? have you actually seen the books? please send me the site to view them.
When will we wake up to the trickery of Lord Harper I know he only sees us as serfs to do his bidding but I think we for the most part can see through his lies, or maybe not.

We shouldn't be raising a whole generation of kids who think it's OK to freeload from the state. There should be higher taxes for families so kids will learn both the value of a dollar and that freedom ain't freedom.

Higher taxes ....lets see tax on our pay cheque , provincial tax , municipal tax , utility tax , tax on groceries , tax on gas ,
entertainment tax , school tax , Can we please add the voluntary taxes on alcohol , smokes , and the lotteries.
I think they spend with out thinking of anyone but themselves.

 

[Colpy]

He knows that the budget will not be balanced , why believe it would ? have you actually seen the books? please send me the site to view them.
When will we wake up to the trickery of Lord Harper I know he only sees us as serfs to do his bidding but I think we for the most part can see through his lies, or maybe not.


Higher taxes ....lets see tax on our pay cheque , provincial tax , municipal tax , utility tax , tax on groceries , tax on gas ,
entertainment tax , school tax , Can we please add the voluntary taxes on alcohol , smokes , and the lotteries.
I think they spend with out thinking of anyone but themselves.

Well, if you are upset at too many taxes and too much gov't spending, there is only one way to vote in 2015...Lord Harper!! Four More Years!!

 

[Angstrom]

lol...he's married with kids...

working consistently around people within the lower income bracket has changed my perception considerably over the years, there are so many variables, it's always the few with in that bracket that tar the many and it is so unfair

also there is a huge difference between massive debt load due to toys (poor choices) and actual grinding poverty where people struggle to feed their babies...who wouldn't want to help babies...lots of people I am finding and I still don't get it

Everyone owns his life. You can play the victim all you're life hoping for a hand out, or you can decide to make as few bad decisions as possible and have a great successful life. In the end you only have yourself to blame. Cause everything else is out of you're control.

 

[Sal]

I know this because I was a lower income family once, making bad decisions, and have learned the hard way that if I consistently make good decision I will grow my money and what wouldn't you know, I have been a high income family now for the last 5 years, cause I'm making good decisions and working my a$$ off. No studies nothing. Just pure life experience and logic.

If you decide to quit smoking drinking, stop eating out and cook your own food every day. Prepare some soup and other cost effective solution for your weekday lunchtime. That's called making good decisions. Do that year round and you just saved yourself a whole lot of disposable income.

Saved me around 3000$ a year.

I spend many hours learning every thing there is to know about my work instead of watching TV. I spend a great many hours organizing, cleaning making sure every thing is perfect. From experience I can guarantee that good decisions based on real facts translate into success.

What study do you need? It's called common sense.

If you need a study to explain to you that making the good decision to show up on time at work, consistently perform high quality work. Keep you're break and lunch to the designated time given, report to your superior any problems that happens, that those decisions will be moving you up in you're career in no time.

Then yes if you can't understand those simple facts you'll never be more then a lower income family. And no amount of tax credits from the government will change that.

Angstrom, I am so happy for you that things are coming together for you in your life. I know for a while you were feeling super miserable. It sounds like in your particular situation you were living a life style which you could not afford according to your income. That is terrific that you have found your way out. It is fantastic for you that you have learned to budget and how to save. The younger we learn these things the better. It is a lesson that will do you well for your whole life and for your family too.

The reason you need a study or really involvement in order to understand poverty in Canada, or the US is because middle class people, raised in a middle class environment with middle class values have middle class problems which are frequently easily solved by making some basic adjustments as you did. And that is wonderful. The middle class live in a very different reality from those who live in grinding poverty.

When people do not understand another individual or the challenges they have faced in their past or the effort they are currently putting forth to climb out of their poverty, when that is not understood or when there is no desire to understand, it is often easy to make it a them versus us situation. It becomes easy to lump everyone together, put a label on them and turn our backs. It soothes our conscience to believe someone is not worthy of our help.

That's all I was saying. To say a whole group of people do not deserve to be helped is a broad label to apply. Also sometimes the very people who are doing well now, find it easy to punish those less fortunate because after all, we made it, we rose above the adversity thus they should too.

Children fall through the cracks because of that. These little ones deserve a chance. Many say there is no money to help them so they go hungry. And they do. We have hungry, neglected children here in Canada.

Just saying sometimes we have to look at things from various perspectives. ;-)

Everyone owns his life. You can play the victim all you're life hoping for a hand out, or you can decide to make as few bad decisions as possible and have a great successful life. In the end you only have yourself to blame. Cause everything else is out of you're control.

Sometimes Angstrom things happen to people in their life. They have mental illness challenges due to depression, or anxiety, or they have physical health challenges because they contract a disease that does not allow them to work and earn at the same capacity that they once did. That is just life. That is just reality. Life is a gamble. We can plan all we like, make every safety net that we can, be the best person we know how, and still life can throw us a curve.

There are people who play victim. Others just struggle daily to get through the day the best way they know how for whatever has befallen them. Because as you say, everything else if out of your control.

Congratulations on your new baby to be. A new daddy again soon. Awesome. Enjoy!!

 

[Angstrom]

Yes life is not fair. The weak die, and the strong survive. Are you suggesting humans should stop natural selection from happening? And if we do, can anyone understand the consequences?

 

[Sal]

Yes life is not fair. The weak die, and the strong survive. Are you suggesting humans should stop natural selection from happening? And if we do, can anyone understand the consequences?

Natural selection...that is an interesting term. One would think from it that there is no compassion, no empathy, no such thing as sharing and caring, no self sacrifice.

Thankfully mankind is a very complex being. We have a strong inner motivation to survive at all costs. It is at the very essence of our being...that desire and drive to survive.

The interesting thing about mankind is our duality.

While that drive and need to survive exists at our core, there are in many also the ability to cast that aside and put another human being first. We see this all of the time. In fact it is a daily occurrence. People give their lives to save another, to save a child, to save a sister, a brother, a mother but strangest of all.......a stranger.

The further a human being evolves the greater chance of self sacrifice for another.

As we get to know more about animals we see it in their species too. Self sacrifice.

The further evolved a society is, the more compassionate that society becomes.

The consequences of compassion on every level...immeasurable.

 

[Angstrom]

I know for a fact, to not die, is a great motivation to work hard and make good decisions. If we remove the die out of the equation, then are we not taking out what naturally has been motivating us to be so productive and self disciplined?

 

[Sal]

I know for a fact, to not die, is a great motivation to work hard and make good decisions. If we remove the die out of the equation, then are we not taking out what naturally has been motivating us to be so productive and self disciplined?

survival is at the heart of hard work...but so is joy

duality

 

[Angstrom]

survival is at the heart of hard work...but so is joy

duality

So the duality is broken, and this explains our dysfunction

We only live for joy , entertainment, and have little consequence for our bad decisions.

So the consequences of eliminating natural selection results in a fat, laze, population that keeps making bad decisions, while they enjoy and entertain themselves none stop.

So the root of our society's problem is we have eliminated consequence.

"Natural selection"

Without concequences there is nothing guiding us to make the good decisions.

 

[Sal]

So the duality is broken, and this explains our dysfunction

We only live for joy , entertainment, and have little consequence for our bad decisions.

So the consequences of eliminating natural selection results in a fat, laze, population that keeps making bad decisions, while they enjoy and entertain themselves none stop.

So the root of our society's problem is we have eliminated consequence.

"Natural selection"

that's an interesting angle but it dismisses about a thousand other possibilities and probabilities that need consideration.

Duality itself could be viewed as a break in natural selection and yet it exists in most balanced individuals and in the more highly evolved societies it is more recognizable or obvious or occurs more often although it does exist in all societies and at all levels

individuals that are broken may experience little to no duality, their world becomes black and white...that's the interesting paradox

we are complex aren't we?

 

[Angstrom]

Consequence is the light that guides All animals to make the right decisions. Without consequence we are essentially living life in the dark making bad decisions without a way of knowing if our decision where good or bad.

that's an interesting angle but it dismisses about a thousand other possibilities and probabilities that need consideration.

Duality itself could be viewed as a break in natural selection and yet it exists in most balanced individuals and in the more highly evolved societies it is more recognizable or obvious or occurs more often although it does exist in all societies and at all levels

individuals that are broken may experience little to no duality, their world becomes black and white...that's the interesting paradox

we are complex aren't we?

We are only complex when you don't understand.
From where I stand we are as simple as it gets

 

[Sal]

Consequence is the light that guides All animals to make the right decisions. Without consequence we are essentially living life in the dark making bad decisions without a way of knowing if our decision where good or bad.

every action has a consequence, either negative or positive but there is always a consequence...negative or positive outcomes are not always the motivator for human behaviour and a poor choice can sometimes end in what we perceive as a positive even if someone else concludes it is a negative.

We are only complex when you don't understand.
From where I stand we are as simple as it gets

that is awesome that your life is back on track...really excellent for you ccasion5:

 

[Tonington]

Well, if you are upset at too many taxes and too much gov't spending, there is only one way to vote in 2015...Lord Harper!! Four More Years!!

 

[Angstrom]

We have replaced consequence with unlimited compassion. What a recipe for disaster.

 

[Sal]

We have replaced consequence with unlimited compassion. What recipe for disaster.

well I do believe that is your perception of it apparently yes.

 

[Angstrom]

every action has a consequence, either negative or positive but there is always a consequence...negative or positive outcomes are not always the motivator for human behaviour and a poor choice can sometimes end in what we perceive as a positive even if someone else concludes it is a negative.

Well based on joy , taking cocaine seams like a good decision. When you're overdosing and our hospital saves you're life, then you continue to take cocaine based on the fact it's fun. We can see how unlimited compassion and no consequence is a problem.

 

[Sal]

Well based on joy , taking cocaine seams like a good decision. When you're overdosing and our hospital saves you're life, then you continue to take cocaine based on the fact it's fun. We can see how unlimited compassion and no consequence is a problem.

cocaine is a stimulant, it certainly can produce a high or even a feeling of euphoria

taking cocaine certainly does not seem like a good decision for most people in my circle...cocaine is nature's way of telling you, that you have too much money...:lol: I do know a former addict. She never overdosed but she certainly destroyed her life, her kids life as they knew it as an upper middle class family, her teeth, her skin, essentially she looked like the dregs of hell and that was after she got clean. Prior to getting clean during her addiction she looked quite literally like the walking dead.

It's taken her years to get her family and life back. She could not control her need to take. Her husband on the other hand who introduced it to her and made it a part of their lifestyle had zero problem saying this sh*t is destroying us, I think I will stop snorting.

So yeah, she had compassion extended to her and a second chance given to her by her mum (my girlfriend) and by her husband and by her kids. She is a productive member of society again. Never give up on another. But never keep them in your life to destroy yours either.

See, everyone is different. What will destroy me, might just make you stronger and vice versa. Nothing is without its complexity.

There is always a consequence. Compassion is not a weakness, it the product usually of personal suffering and/or the wisdom it produces as a result of overcoming what seemed like the impossible. Once someone overcomes the impossible they know it is probable that others too can do so, with some help.