World's scientists call on Stephen Harper to restore science funding, freedom

captain morgan

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Yes--I already mentioned the trend. Conservatives don't like science. They probably just don't get it. You've mentioned a hrapsqueaker and taxslave mentioned Brazilian mosquiots. So, if that's the best idea of science you guys can come up with, I can see why you'd be antagonistic about it.


More whining because Harper doesn't support your personal brand of scientific endeavour and/or because the Feds own the data that they pay for.

Cry me a river, or better yet, put up your own cash and own the data.

... Just stop the partisan pissing and moaning

There's a great example in the news right now. Canadian researchers developed an ebola vaccine. A company is paying The Public Health Agency of Canada royalties to further develop it, now that there is a potential to earn money with it. It's our intellectual property, that was made using basic fundamental research that at the time had no commercial viability.


Zip has his panties all in a bunch because the paid researchers can't sell the info to the highest bidder and pocket the cash
 

Zipperfish

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More whining because Harper doesn't support your personal brand of scientific endeavour and/or because the Feds own the data that they pay for.

Cry me a river, or better yet, put up your own cash and own the data.

... Just stop the partisan pissing and moaning

You do have bizarre responses. Are you angry all the time? It sure seems that way. Clearly too angry to read, because your responses indicate that your read the first line of my posts and then just go off. :lol:

As I'm a scientist myself, it's not so much partisan pissing and moaning as self-interested pissing and moaning.
 

captain morgan

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You do have bizarre responses. Are you angry all the time? It sure seems that way. Clearly too angry to read, because your responses indicate that your read the first line of my posts and then just go off.

The degree of your partisanship is nothing short of legendary.

The reality of the NDA issue and that the scientists are employees nothwithstanding, there is no merit in your subjectively based rants other than 'Harper=bad' regardless of the issue.

Blind fanatics such as yourself do not understand anything other than a heavy hand

As I'm a scientist myself, it's not so much partisan pissing and moaning as self-interested pissing and moaning.

Fair enough... Let's settle for yours being selfish and partisan pissing and moaning.
 

petros

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The degree of your partisanship is nothing short of legendary.

The reality of the NDA issue and that the scientists are employees nothwithstanding, there is no merit in your subjectively based rants other than 'Harper=bad' regardless of the issue.

Blind fanatics such as yourself do not understand anything other than a heavy hand



Fair enough... Let's settle for yours being selfish and partisan pissing and moaning.

There were no shortages of NDAs under Martin or Chretien. Same as today. Go figure eh?
 

petros

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At a sewage plant where nobody gives a sh-t because they know what they already gave and has no economic value?

Somebody with a ticket needs to sign off after all.
 

Zipperfish

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The degree of your partisanship is nothing short of legendary.

The reality of the NDA issue and that the scientists are employees nothwithstanding, there is no merit in your subjectively based rants other than 'Harper=bad' regardless of the issue.

Blind fanatics such as yourself do not understand anything other than a heavy hand

Pot, meet kettle. Or are you under the impression that you are some beacon of non-partisanship? And really, there's just no reason to get so nasty when your opinion is challenged.
 

captain morgan

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Pot, meet kettle. Or are you under the impression that you are some beacon of non-partisanship? And really, there's just no reason to get so nasty when your opinion is challenged.


The issue is real simple bud.... You wanna work for the Feds as a scientician - you sign an NDA.

Note: as an employee, any research, inventions, etc that you make whilst under their employ (in that field) are the property of your employer.

Time to put on your big boy pants and get with the program.

PS - Don't like the terms?... Fund your own research.... Simple
 

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The degree of your partisanship is nothing short of legendary.

Which political party is he stumping for? Disagreeing with a government policy doesn't make someone a partisan. If that's what you think it means, you need to check a dictionary.

The bit about NDAs is a red herring, and nullified by a simple example. If a government scientist publishes a paper in a journal, then it's not confidential information. That's why my employer doesn't publish papers on our work, even though we have one project which would be a huge impact paper. But we are commercializing it, so publishing it would surely destroy our claims to intellectual property.

The article in the OP is talking about the government stopping scientists from speaking to the public. Kristi Miller, published a paper, in a very controversial topic. The government then refused to allow her to explain it. Now whether or not you are on one side or the other of her topic, by refusing to allow an expert who wrote the paper to explain it to the public, the government is inviting people and journalists to interpret it for themselves. It's an invitation to misinformation.

I'd really love to hear what the rational explanation is for a policy that will produce public misinformation, when there is no confidentiality claim to be made.
 

petros

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The bit about NDAs is a red herring, and nullified by a simple example. If a government scientist publishes a paper in a journal, then it's not confidential information
Well duh. Until completed and contract obligations met, you bet your a$s the NDA is still fully in effect and sometimes beyond if your sponsor has partial ownership.
 

Tonington

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Well duh. Until completed and contract obligations met, you bet your a$s the NDA is still fully in effect and sometimes beyond if your sponsor has partial ownership.

If a scientist for the government has published the results of say, "Seroconversion of VP40 protein from a novel ebola virus subunit in a plasmid vector" in the journal Vaccine, then it's not confidential. What part of that do you not understand, besides the science bits?
 

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If a scientist for the government has published the results of say, "Seroconversion of VP40 protein from a novel ebola virus subunit in a plasmid vector" in the journal Vaccine, then it's not confidential. What part of that do you not understand, besides the science bits?

WTF do you know about science? You dont know what holds clouds up fer fu ck sake!
 

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You do have bizarre responses. Are you angry all the time? It sure seems that way. Clearly too angry to read, because your responses indicate that your read the first line of my posts and then just go off. :lol:

As I'm a scientist myself, it's not so much partisan pissing and moaning as self-interested pissing and moaning.

Respec da taxpayers or DIE
 

taxslave

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If a scientist for the government has published the results of say, "Seroconversion of VP40 protein from a novel ebola virus subunit in a plasmid vector" in the journal Vaccine, then it's not confidential. What part of that do you not understand, besides the science bits?

That would depend on whose dime the research was done on. If it was government funded the data should never have been released into public domain. By doing this the scientist just cost the government any potential sales or licensing agreement. Hence the NDAs.