Scotland might just show the rest of us the way to reset social democracy
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CIA AND ISI NURTURED MUJAHIDEEN AND TALIBAN
JAY: Alright. So just to kind of give some big sweeps to this, so you've got this period. The US policy is to induce the Soviets into Afghanistan, or at least facilitate it. They certainly succeed, which leads to years of war, which also tends to, as one person has said, turn Pakistan into a country with a Kalashnikov culture. The whole Pakistan society starts to be transformed by the billions of dollars going—arms going this way and drugs coming this way back into Pakistan. Eventually the Russians leave. Tell us what happens next.GOULD: Well, that's when everything really does fall apart. And the—again, in terms of the mujahideen, what ended up happening was the multiple groups of Islamists known as the mujahideen began to war with one another in their attempt to take over Afghanistan. In fact, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and Ahmad Shah Massoud were two of the main people who caused the major destruction in Kabul—75 percent of Kabul was destroyed during the exchanges. And that actually was the precipitator of the creation of the Taliban. In an effort to try and guarantee that—the Pakistanis wanted to guarantee that they would have a Pakistani-friendly government installed in Afghanistan. The Taliban became the method and went around to the refugee camps, where they basically brought Afghan boys into the madrasahs and indoctrinated them. But this was all part of the buildup that eventually was presented, by 1994-96, as an Afghan movement, but really was very much part of the ideological political process that the Pakistani ISI military [inaudible] JAY: Together with the Saudis, I think, should be added.GOULD: Oh, absolutely.FITZGERALD: Together with the Saudis. But also the United States was very much behind it. And, you know, Madeleine Albright, as an example, was very, very positive on backing the Taliban, and she considered them to be a cleansing force.JAY: You know, from one angle it gets vilified, the nurturing of the Taliban. But from Pakistan's national interest, don't they have a right? They had utter chaos on their borders. And, in fact, the Taliban, if I understand correctly, certainly, at least in the early days, were quite welcomed by the Afghan people as getting rid of the terrible lawlessness, the culture of rape of young—especially young boys, and, I mean, the hundreds of thousands of people that were killed in this inter-warlord fighting, that from Pakistan's interest and from Afghans' interest there was a stabilizing factor there. Was there not?GOULD: Well, when you're going from hell to basically a lesser hell, I guess there may be some kind of qualification.JAY: Especially a hell that they can say was mostly US-policy-created, not Pakistan-policy-created.GOULD: Exactly. But I think that the embracing of the Taliban was because the Afghan people actually believe that the Taliban was an authentic Afghan movement. And, of course, what ended up happening was you ended up with ethnic cleansing, you ended up with, you know, the type of sharia law that was implemented was absolutely unseen and unexperienced by the Afghan people. There was no relationship to the kind of Islam being practiced by the Taliban that historically had ever been connected to the Afghan experience. So what ended up happening was, yes, there was a level at which there was some kind of stability, and certainly Pashtuns, definitely in that sense, you know, had the advantage over the other ethnic groups that were being slaughtered. But the idea that this was somehow, you know, really an expression of the Afghan people or a solution that the Afghans embrace, no, it was never that.FITZGERALD: I remember reading reports back in the 1990s and talking to people who'd come out of Afghanistan who were telling us that up to 50 percent of the Taliban in the 1995-1996 time period were Pakistani regulars who'd resign their—you know, they'd resign their commission in the Pakistani army, and they'd put on the black kohl under their eyes and the black turban and gone to fight as Taliban. So this was very much a mixed group from very early on. And a lot of the Afghan Taliban, of course, were becoming very disillusioned during that time period. Now, Taliban is kind of a generic as it is. A talib is a fighter, a seeker of the light. So this goes back a long time in terms of what the name is. And there's been kind of a broad brush of what the Taliban are. But you can't really go in there with this kind of American attitude and say, well, this is Pakistan, this is Afghanistan. You've got tribes, you've got nationalist issues here. And, of course, as Liz mentioned earlier, you've got this incredible issue of Baluch nationalism, Sindh nationalism, Pashtun nationalism, and it's all very much an aspect of what's going on right now and complicating the issue.
You forgot to mention how that verse didn't apply to you.
Salmond should pack his bags now and stop pretending to be a democrat
First Minister's proposal for Scotland to make unilateral declaration of independence risks making the SNP a world-wide laughing stock
By Alan Cochrane
21 Sep 2014
The Telegraph
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A despondent Salmond on his way to the airport early on Friday morning. The Scots Nats lost the referendum. It's time they got over it
Those stupid, deluded but essentially defeated old men – Alex Salmond and Jim Sillars. They pretend to be democrats and talk about the “will of the people”. But when that will doesn’t match their “dream”, they come up with the nightmare option of some form of unilateral declaration of independence. Or UDI as we called it in the days of Ian Smith and Rhodesia.
When Alex Salmond said his mawkish farewell I wasn’t one of those who joined in the sentimental claptrap: drivel about how Scotland would miss what the useful idiots in his fan club have described as his huge political brain.
What size of political brain does it take to suggest, as Salmond has done, an essentially illegal act such as taking Scotland out of the United Kingdom by simply declaring independence?
He told Sky’s Murnaghan there were “a whole range of ways Scotland can improve its position in pursuit of … independence”. But when asked what other routes he was talking about, other than a referendum, he said: “There are a number of political opportunities coming up.” One of these was for Holyrood to get enough powers that would make it “independent in all but name” and then he added, “presumably you declare yourself to be independent”.
His words were taken up by someone from whom I expect better – Mr Salmond’s mentor, and the one-time deputy leader of the SNP, Jim Sillars.
Jim Sillars
Mr Sillars set out a personal manifesto on Twitter of how there was no need for referendums for deciding Scotland’s future. All that was required was for independence to be backed by the majority of votes and seats at the Scottish Parliament elections in 2016. He tweeted: “Let Yes assert a new indy (independence) rule. No more referendums.”
I never expected much from Alex Salmond in defeat – except truculence – but in his new call to the people he now says they are the only “guardians of Scotland”. (Never one to miss a cheesy trick – the hero of Braveheart, William Wallace, was styled Guardian of Scotland).
However, in anointing his followers thus, he presumably excludes all of Scotland’s over-55s because he says the analysis of the result showed that those aged under 55 voted for independence, whilst those over that age voted No.
And in a disgraceful slur to that huge number of Scots in that latter age bracket he added that they “should really be looking at themselves in the mirror” and wondering if they had “actually impeded progress for the next generation which is something no generation should do”.
Mr Salmond says his words are justified because what he calls the “Westminster elite” are reneging on their promise of more powers.
This at a time when both Tory and Labour parties are tearing themselves apart precisely to give the Scots those extra powers – powers that figure only third or fourth on the voters’ list of priorities.
The behaviour of the SNP is a negation of the democratic values they claim to hold so dear. They were given every advantage in the referendum – timing, question and franchise – and they had money coming out of their ears. A brow-beaten BBC Scotland provided nothing like the scrutiny to which the separatists should have been subjected. And in his final act of pettiness Mr Salmond used government press officers as camp guards to keep newspapers he hates – like this one I’m pleased to acknowledge – out of his final press conference.
Now he’s proposing what Labour suggests is something approaching a coup. How much more pathetic can this man be?
He said he was packing up as SNP leader and First Minister in the middle of November. Nicola Sturgeon should get him out now before he makes that party a world-wide laughing stock. The Nats lost the referendum. Get over it.
Salmond should pack his bags now and stop pretending to be a democrat - Telegraph
First Minister's proposal for Scotland to make unilateral declaration of independence risks making the SNP a world-wide laughing stock
By Alan Cochrane
21 Sep 2014
The Telegraph
A despondent Salmond on his way to the airport early on Friday morning. The Scots Nats lost the referendum. It's time they got over it
Those stupid, deluded but essentially defeated old men – Alex Salmond and Jim Sillars. They pretend to be democrats and talk about the “will of the people”. But when that will doesn’t match their “dream”, they come up with the nightmare option of some form of unilateral declaration of independence. Or UDI as we called it in the days of Ian Smith and Rhodesia.
When Alex Salmond said his mawkish farewell I wasn’t one of those who joined in the sentimental claptrap: drivel about how Scotland would miss what the useful idiots in his fan club have described as his huge political brain.
What size of political brain does it take to suggest, as Salmond has done, an essentially illegal act such as taking Scotland out of the United Kingdom by simply declaring independence?
He told Sky’s Murnaghan there were “a whole range of ways Scotland can improve its position in pursuit of … independence”. But when asked what other routes he was talking about, other than a referendum, he said: “There are a number of political opportunities coming up.” One of these was for Holyrood to get enough powers that would make it “independent in all but name” and then he added, “presumably you declare yourself to be independent”.
His words were taken up by someone from whom I expect better – Mr Salmond’s mentor, and the one-time deputy leader of the SNP, Jim Sillars.
Jim Sillars
Mr Sillars set out a personal manifesto on Twitter of how there was no need for referendums for deciding Scotland’s future. All that was required was for independence to be backed by the majority of votes and seats at the Scottish Parliament elections in 2016. He tweeted: “Let Yes assert a new indy (independence) rule. No more referendums.”
I never expected much from Alex Salmond in defeat – except truculence – but in his new call to the people he now says they are the only “guardians of Scotland”. (Never one to miss a cheesy trick – the hero of Braveheart, William Wallace, was styled Guardian of Scotland).
However, in anointing his followers thus, he presumably excludes all of Scotland’s over-55s because he says the analysis of the result showed that those aged under 55 voted for independence, whilst those over that age voted No.
And in a disgraceful slur to that huge number of Scots in that latter age bracket he added that they “should really be looking at themselves in the mirror” and wondering if they had “actually impeded progress for the next generation which is something no generation should do”.
Mr Salmond says his words are justified because what he calls the “Westminster elite” are reneging on their promise of more powers.
This at a time when both Tory and Labour parties are tearing themselves apart precisely to give the Scots those extra powers – powers that figure only third or fourth on the voters’ list of priorities.
The behaviour of the SNP is a negation of the democratic values they claim to hold so dear. They were given every advantage in the referendum – timing, question and franchise – and they had money coming out of their ears. A brow-beaten BBC Scotland provided nothing like the scrutiny to which the separatists should have been subjected. And in his final act of pettiness Mr Salmond used government press officers as camp guards to keep newspapers he hates – like this one I’m pleased to acknowledge – out of his final press conference.
Now he’s proposing what Labour suggests is something approaching a coup. How much more pathetic can this man be?
He said he was packing up as SNP leader and First Minister in the middle of November. Nicola Sturgeon should get him out now before he makes that party a world-wide laughing stock. The Nats lost the referendum. Get over it.
Salmond should pack his bags now and stop pretending to be a democrat - Telegraph
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Here is his lips moving, want to claim the soundtrack is dubbed in?
Zbigniew Brzezinski Taliban Pakistan Afghanistan pep talk 1979 - YouTube
Brzezinski and the Afghan War Pt2 - YouTube (about the 6:00 mark where he starts to lie his face off. It shows in his eyes for the observant)
CIA AND ISI NURTURED MUJAHIDEEN AND TALIBAN - YouTube
How could Carter have invented the Mujahideen? He would have to be positively ancient had he had done.
The term Mujahideen was first used by the West to describe the mountainous sect of hillmen in Afghanistan who fought against British control (although initially to the British they were known as Sitana Fanatics). It began in 1829 when a religious man, Sayyid Ahmed Shah Brelwi, came back to the village of Sitana from a pilgrimage to Mecca and began preaching war against the infidels in the area defining the Northwest border of British India. Although he died in battle, the sect he had created survived and the Mujahideen gained more power and prominence. During the Indian Mutiny of 1857, the Mujahideen were said to accept any fleeing Sepoys and recruit them into their ranks. As time went by the sect grew ever larger until it was raiding and controlling larger areas in Afghanistan.
Gullible twonks like Mhz (the same lot who believe all those silly made up things like Global Warming) need to stop believing all the rubbish they read on the internet.
The term Mujahideen was first used by the West to describe the mountainous sect of hillmen in Afghanistan who fought against British control (although initially to the British they were known as Sitana Fanatics). It began in 1829 when a religious man, Sayyid Ahmed Shah Brelwi, came back to the village of Sitana from a pilgrimage to Mecca and began preaching war against the infidels in the area defining the Northwest border of British India. Although he died in battle, the sect he had created survived and the Mujahideen gained more power and prominence. During the Indian Mutiny of 1857, the Mujahideen were said to accept any fleeing Sepoys and recruit them into their ranks. As time went by the sect grew ever larger until it was raiding and controlling larger areas in Afghanistan.
Gullible twonks like Mhz (the same lot who believe all those silly made up things like Global Warming) need to stop believing all the rubbish they read on the internet.
Got any posts from me that says I support global warming? No beacuse I never did buy the bullzhit
I started with the trolls on this site.
The heroin must have tripped and fell onto the CIA plane. Just one more example of a moral and honest West. lol
CIA PLANE IN AUSSIE-AMERICAN HEROIN BUST | MadCowNews
The discovery of an American-registered plane delivering drugs at an Australian airport heralded, according to Australian law enforcement, a “sophisticated drug network” that had begun using the tiny Illawarra Regional Airport, 60 miles south of Sydney, to import guns and drugs. The purchase in the U.S. of the Merlin III, and the plane’s subsequent two-month long saga on its journey “home” to Australia, an Australian law enforcement official told Sydney’s Daily Telegraph, were actions undertaken at the behest of a “major international crime syndicate.”
Police were said to be “close-mouthed;”and “tight-lipped.” After revealing they had confiscated 35 kilos, they refused to identify the drug involved, which is heroin.
But Police prosecutor Sergeant Sean Thackray gave things away when he let slip, ‘‘We’re talking about the organization of a plane to import a large amount of a substance …. to the value of $9 million.’’
Kreskin, do you still support president Obama and do you still believe he will do wonderful things for the world?
That's right, they have nothing to do with the heroin in Afghanistan or drugs anyplace in the world.
"The Mena Connection" Where Clinton, Bush, The CIA and cocaine meet... - YouTube
CIA and Heroin 158
Afghanistan now supplies over 90 percent of the world’s heroin, generating nearly $200 billion in revenue. Since the U.S. invasion on Oct. 7, 2001, opium output has increased 33-fold (to over 8,250 metric tons a year).
The U.S. has been in Afghanistan for over seven years, has spent $177 billion in that country alone, and has the most powerful and technologically advanced military on Earth. GPS tracking devices can locate any spot imaginable by simply pushing a few buttons.
Still, bumper crops keep flourishing year after year, even though heroin production is a laborious, intricate process. The poppies must be planted, grown and harvested; then after the morphine is extracted it has to be cooked, refined, packaged into bricks and transported from rural locales across national borders. To make heroin from morphine requires another 12-14 hours of laborious chemical reactions. Thousands of people are involved, yet—despite the massive resources at our disposal—heroin keeps flowing at record levels.
Common sense suggests that such prolific trade over an extended period of time is no accident, especially when the history of what has transpired in that region is considered. While the CIA ran its operations during the Vietnam War, the Golden Triangle supplied the world with most of its heroin. After that war ended in 1975, an intriguing event took place in 1979 when Zbigniew Brzezinski covertly manipulated the Soviet Union into invading Afghanistan.
Behind the scenes, the CIA, along with Pakistan’s ISI, were secretly funding Afghanistan’s mujahideen to fight their Russian foes. Prior to this war, opium production in Afghanistan was minimal. But according to historian Alfred McCoy, an expert on the subject, a shift in focus took place. “Within two years of the onslaught of the CIA operation in Afghanistan, the Pakistan-Afghanistan borderlands became the world’s top heroin producer.”
Us Military Generals Cia Us Troops Guard Heroin Trade In Afghanistan
You shouldn't try to confuse those conspiracy nuts with facts.......
They are the kind that will tell you they saw a white crow and when you tell them you don't believe it....they will go and paint one white to prove it.
I never did meet a Bible thumper that I could stand listening to more than one sentence!
Bkackleaf, in the pic you posted with the Queen standing in some sheep pasture with her cloak trailing behind in the dung and piss does she not know that lifting it would save her hours of 'being in poop up to her elbows, at least. The rest is for my wittle troll fiends.
As per your request, lol It would appear that the liars I get to chat with will share the same fate as wayward Jews in that both will end up in hell for their deeds before they are forgiven
Re:22:13-21:
I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end,
the first and the last.
Blessed are they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs,
and sorcerers,
and *****mongers,
and murderers,
and idolaters,
and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David,
and the bright and morning star.
And the Spirit and the bride say,
Come.
And let him that heareth say,
Come.
And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will,
let him take the water of life freely.
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things,
God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part out of the book of life,
and out of the holy city,
and from the things which are written in this book.
He which testifieth these things saith,
Surely I come quickly.
Amen.
Even so,
come,
Lord Jesus.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.
Amen.
As per your request, lol It would appear that the liars I get to chat with will share the same fate as wayward Jews in that both will end up in hell for their deeds before they are forgiven
Re:22:13-21:
I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end,
the first and the last.
Blessed are they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs,
and sorcerers,
and *****mongers,
and murderers,
and idolaters,
and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David,
and the bright and morning star.
And the Spirit and the bride say,
Come.
And let him that heareth say,
Come.
And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will,
let him take the water of life freely.
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things,
God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part out of the book of life,
and out of the holy city,
and from the things which are written in this book.
He which testifieth these things saith,
Surely I come quickly.
Amen.
Even so,
come,
Lord Jesus.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.
Amen.
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Why, is he orchestrating the ISIS beheadings?Kreskin, do you still support president Obama and do you still believe he will do wonderful things for the world?