Scotland might just show the rest of us the way to reset social democracy

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I stll don't understand why a 'Yes' vote would not have resulted in independence until sometime in 2016. That seems to be a case of dragging you feet as much as possible.
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Scotland and England (including Wales) have been unified as one nation state for 307 years. They are unified more closer together than any other nations on the planet. A YES vote last night would have meant a couple of years at least untangling the two hugely entwined nations. And there would have been a lot of things to negotiate.

Anyway, all this hardly matters now.
 
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One nation, now when are you going to work on the morality issues that haven't been addressed in that 307 years or is that also something that has never really mattered as long as they are the ones doing the punishing.
You may think you have won a prize, you didn't, you lost your only opportunity to come up with some real changes. I'm not sure why you are cheering that, not that it really matters to anybody. Scotland can be part of the implosion that comes from 307 years of doing thing in an immoral manner.
 
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Alex Salmond resignation statement in full http://bbc.in/1yjtYmb #Indyref

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/512989866108661760

 
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"Kip" is sleep.



The Quebecans have nothing to learn from the Scots. The Quebecans came much closer to achieving independence in their referendum in 1995 than the Scottish separatists did in this referendum.

In fact, maybe the SNP can learn from the Quebecans, so when the next Scottish referendum comes around in around the year 2100 they might just pull it off.
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First of all, it's "Quebecers," not "Quebecans."

Second, that was Scotland's first referendum, and the Yes vote in Scotland's first referendum was higher than in Quebec's first referendum.
 
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First of all, it's "Quebecers," not "Quebecans."

Second, that was Scotland's first referendum, and the Yes vote in Scotland's first referendum was higher than in Quebec's first referendum.
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50% + 1 is simply not enough to force constitutional change and tear apart a country.

And the YES side cheated by lowering the voting age to the ludicrous age of 16. Are they NUTS??

Thankfully, the sane people emerged victorious, despite the shenanigans of the YES side.
 
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A 55% No Vote is more significant than it seems.

Like the sovereignty votes in Canada, independence votes fall along 'thirds'. One third will vote for independence regardless of the consequences because they deem their country to be Scotland (or Quebec). A third will always vote for the current status because they define themselves as Britons (or Canadians). And a third will vote on much more practical terms of personal and economic benefit. That means in the latter third, 2/3rds voted for Britain.

For the most part succesful independence movements are the product of years of political and economic turmoil, usually involving militant independance forces.. and a national identity that was irreconcilable.. often in religious or cultural terms.. with the governing social overstructure. Such was the case with Ireland. Such was not the case with Scotland. Such was not the case with Quebec.

Like Quebec, Scottish independence is a spent force.
 
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Like Canada the UK is a spent force, time to let the majority rule in all lands including Syria and Iran and the Ukraine. The UK can't be sane when they say that they would respect the vote and have said the Syrian elections were a farce and Crimea didn't have the right to hold a vote, let alone follow the results. I'm just dying to see those kinds of headlines.
 
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That is a somewhat scary face. Can't decide if it is the predator eyes of the blood red lips.

Has Balckleaf commented on the fraud aspect that England is behind as I doubt the Scots would do it all on their own.
 
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Stay committed to the cause, says the guy quitting.
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Probably at the party's request. He can probably get more done by being a private citizen, like investigating vote rigging alligations. That would be so funny if those 4 Russians showed widespread corruption (this is the UK after all )
News: Russian observers suspect 'special' voting technologies employed in Scotland - Wake Up From Your Slumber
Russian observers have suspicions over the "special" voting technologies used during the Scottish independence referendum and expect the announcement of results that will either confirm or disprove their suspicions.
"The absence of lines at voting offices could indicate the use of special voting technologies. About 20 percent vote in advance, via post. From our experience, we know that in 2012 Barack Obama beat Mitt Romney during presidential elections in early [stages of the] voting. That is, he won prior to the day of the election. Whether this technology was used during the referendum, we will know when the votes have been counted," Igor Borisov, the chairman of the Council of the Russian Public Institute of Election Law and the head of the Russian observation mission, told RIA Novosti.
"If the organizers of the referendum announce the results of the postal votes separately from the results received on the day of the election, then it will be possible to assess how great the influence of technologies on the vote was," he added.

Tecumsehsbones said:
She looks like Curly Joe DeRita in drag and a wig.
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How much you going to make if she ends up in your dreams?
 
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Probably at the party's request. He can probably get more done by being a private citizen, like investigating vote rigging alligations. That would be so funny if those 4 Russians showed widespread corruption (this is the UK after all )
News: Russian observers suspect 'special' voting technologies employed in Scotland - Wake Up From Your Slumber
Russian observers have suspicions over the "special" voting technologies used during the Scottish independence referendum and expect the announcement of results that will either confirm or disprove their suspicions.
"The absence of lines at voting offices could indicate the use of special voting technologies. About 20 percent vote in advance, via post. From our experience, we know that in 2012 Barack Obama beat Mitt Romney during presidential elections in early [stages of the] voting. That is, he won prior to the day of the election. Whether this technology was used during the referendum, we will know when the votes have been counted," Igor Borisov, the chairman of the Council of the Russian Public Institute of Election Law and the head of the Russian observation mission, told RIA Novosti.
"If the organizers of the referendum announce the results of the postal votes separately from the results received on the day of the election, then it will be possible to assess how great the influence of technologies on the vote was," he added.


How much you going to make if she ends up in your dreams?
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Not as much as if I could monetize your crazy.
 
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Too late, I already offered you a few million.
Besides, I cause dreams I don't enter them, most of the time it is to give a 1 second look at a departed pet that shows them jogging and in perfect heath. The trick is they have to have loved you before that clip can be 'sent'. Did a long thread on Hell in a Christian chat place and one guy mentioned that he did wake up in the middle of the night from dreams. It was his own mental processes that did it, I thought it was funny as, . . wait for it, . . hell.
 
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