Hey Gopher... you can keep your head perpetually stuck in the sand but the facts are facts.
And as usual... we have em' and you don't.
And as usual... we have em' and you don't.
Smile! You’ve Got Socialized Healthcare!
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20 million signed up and the amount is ever increasing.
Even Republican governors like Pence and Corbett who hated ACA are now changing their minds.
It is a war we have already won.
Even Republican governors like Pence and Corbett who hated ACA are now changing their minds.
It is a war we have already won.
You'd like to think so.
Heck our governor took the subsidies right from the start and now our health care system is in shambles. The subsidies will barely stem the bleeding as Massachusetts is showing.
Only a matter of time before this thing is shredded.
Heck our governor took the subsidies right from the start and now our health care system is in shambles. The subsidies will barely stem the bleeding as Massachusetts is showing.
Only a matter of time before this thing is shredded.
You know enough American history to know that's the same caca that was said about Social Security as we have discussed before.
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This isn't Social Security. They can't even implement the whole law. Now why is that?
And remember...
"If you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."
You bought that!
And remember...
"If you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."
You bought that!
You know enough American history to know that's the same caca that was said about Social Security as we have discussed before.
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You really are one.........
He's from MN and believes that Franken won his US Senate race fair and square.
Falling like dominoes: Red-state govs expanding Obamacare
Falling like dominoes: Red-state govs expanding Obamacare | MSNBC
By Steve Benen
As of a week ago, about half of the nation’s states had embraced Medicaid expansion through the Affordable Care Act, while the other half seemed to be motivated almost entirely out of partisan spite. But in recent days, there’s been a burst of unexpected activity on this issue.
Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett (R) struck a deal with the Obama administration that will allow Medicaid expansion to cover another half-million low-income Americans in the Keystone State. A day later, Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam (R) said he expects to follow suit in the coming weeks.
Ruby-red Wyoming generally resists any voluntary federal program, but it, too, is starting to come around on Medicaid expansion. Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R), a fierce “Obamacare” critic, recently did the same.
And even Utah is moving forward with its Medicaid-expansion plans, though not without an unintentionally amusing debate.
Utah’s health care debate took an unexpected turn at the State Capitol, where a lawmaker who is also a doctor argued that access to health care can be a bad thing.
Representative Mike Kennedy, a Republican from Alpine, made the comments in a Health Reform Task Force meeting, in reaction to a story from another doctor…. “Sometimes access actually can mean harm,” said Representative Mike Kennedy, a family physician.
I’ve followed this debate closely for quite a while, and I have to admit, this is the first time I’ve seen an elected official argue – out loud and on purpose – that medical care may be bad for people. But in this case, a Utah state Republican and physician tried to defeat Medicaid expansion by sincerely making the case that hospitals can make Americans sicker.
“Sometimes access to health care can be damaging and dangerous,” the GOP lawmaker said. “And it’s a perspective for the body to consider is that, I’ve heard from National Institutes of Health and otherwise that we’re killing up to a million, a million and a half people every year in our hospitals. And it’s access to hospitals that’s killing those people.”
Ridiculous arguments notwithstanding, there is a larger trend here that’s hard to overlook.
Justin Green, writing in the conservative Washington Examiner, noted over the weekend that the Republican fight against Medicaid expansion may soon be “over.”
“{T}he trend is quite clear: Red states are gradually accepting Obamacare, and no states are reversing their decisions,” Green said.
To date, 10 Republican governors have embraced this ACA policy, but that total is slowly growing as the arithmetic becomes increasingly undeniable.
ACA - Saving lives and money every day. A complete victory for the USA!
Falling like dominoes: Red-state govs expanding Obamacare | MSNBC
By Steve Benen
As of a week ago, about half of the nation’s states had embraced Medicaid expansion through the Affordable Care Act, while the other half seemed to be motivated almost entirely out of partisan spite. But in recent days, there’s been a burst of unexpected activity on this issue.
Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett (R) struck a deal with the Obama administration that will allow Medicaid expansion to cover another half-million low-income Americans in the Keystone State. A day later, Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam (R) said he expects to follow suit in the coming weeks.
Ruby-red Wyoming generally resists any voluntary federal program, but it, too, is starting to come around on Medicaid expansion. Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R), a fierce “Obamacare” critic, recently did the same.
And even Utah is moving forward with its Medicaid-expansion plans, though not without an unintentionally amusing debate.
Utah’s health care debate took an unexpected turn at the State Capitol, where a lawmaker who is also a doctor argued that access to health care can be a bad thing.
Representative Mike Kennedy, a Republican from Alpine, made the comments in a Health Reform Task Force meeting, in reaction to a story from another doctor…. “Sometimes access actually can mean harm,” said Representative Mike Kennedy, a family physician.
I’ve followed this debate closely for quite a while, and I have to admit, this is the first time I’ve seen an elected official argue – out loud and on purpose – that medical care may be bad for people. But in this case, a Utah state Republican and physician tried to defeat Medicaid expansion by sincerely making the case that hospitals can make Americans sicker.
“Sometimes access to health care can be damaging and dangerous,” the GOP lawmaker said. “And it’s a perspective for the body to consider is that, I’ve heard from National Institutes of Health and otherwise that we’re killing up to a million, a million and a half people every year in our hospitals. And it’s access to hospitals that’s killing those people.”
Ridiculous arguments notwithstanding, there is a larger trend here that’s hard to overlook.
Justin Green, writing in the conservative Washington Examiner, noted over the weekend that the Republican fight against Medicaid expansion may soon be “over.”
“{T}he trend is quite clear: Red states are gradually accepting Obamacare, and no states are reversing their decisions,” Green said.
To date, 10 Republican governors have embraced this ACA policy, but that total is slowly growing as the arithmetic becomes increasingly undeniable.
ACA - Saving lives and money every day. A complete victory for the USA!
MSNBC. lol
They should take whatever money they can get. They'll need it for what's coming!
Massachusetts took the money as did many blue states and it has been a disaster.
uh oh!
H&R Block CEO says Obamacare to add 'significant complexity' to tax season | WashingtonExaminer.com
They should take whatever money they can get. They'll need it for what's coming!
Massachusetts took the money as did many blue states and it has been a disaster.
uh oh!
H&R Block CEO says Obamacare to add 'significant complexity' to tax season | WashingtonExaminer.com
This was months ago, hardly an AHCA problem.
Still waiting to here what the alternatives that were offered by the other side.....got any ideas yourself?
This was not Obamas original idea on healthcare....he caved like dumbocrats do.
Did you research it? I just did and there are pages of alternatives given.
Caved to what? Obamacare was passed in Congress when the Democrats had full control.
Caved to what? Obamacare was passed in Congress when the Democrats had full control.
He caved, a version of Romney/Dole care is not what Obama wanted. He put this idea forth to get votes.
It worked.
Hopefully for US citizens it is the start of real reform.
Some don't care, the ones with good benefits at work that is...how are yours?
The real idea would have been to expand Medicaid to all citizens.
Not 60 votes full control of the Senate. It's funny that you need to qualify full control relative to filibusters.
Filibusters are weird. It's like the team with the lowest score winning the game by running out the clock. Seems undemocratic. But that's the way it seems to work...
The benefits of obamacare were front loaded. The detrimental aspects of obamacare were back loaded for political reasons. The bad things are going to happen after 2014.
No one saw this coming....no, not at all.
Does anyone else see the mistake and contradiction in this paragraph?
Hacker breached HealthCare.gov insurance site - MarketWatch
Does anyone else see the mistake and contradiction in this paragraph?
An HHS official said the attack appears to mark the first successful intrusion into the website, where millions of Americans bought insurance starting last year under the Affordable Care Act. It raised concerns among federal officials because of how easily the intruder gained access and how much damage could have occurred.
No one saw this coming....no, not at all. - Small Dead AnimalsHacker breached HealthCare.gov insurance site - MarketWatch
Obamacare Effect Linked to Lower Medical Cost Estimates
Source: Bloomberg
By Caroline Chen and Ian Katz Sep 5, 2014
Estimates of U.S. health-care spending for the next five years have been lowered by two federal agencies, and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is getting much of the credit.
U.S. health spending in 2019 will be $4 trillion, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said this week, or $500 billion less than the agency projected in 2010 when President Barack Obama’s health-care overhaul became law. That announcement followed by a week a report from the Congressional Budget Office lowering its five-year cost estimates.
Obamacare has been criticized by Republicans as costly and unsustainable. Now, four years after its arrival, the law’s mandated program cuts and the medical practices it encourages -- limiting unneeded procedures, and keeping people out of the hospital longer -- are cited by economists as key ingredients in trimming the nation’s medical bill. While the recession has had an influence on the cost slowdown, it doesn’t explain it all, according to policy analysts and the CBO.
“When the CBO goes back and revises their baseline, historically they’ve adjusted upwards,” said Tricia Neuman, director of the Kaiser Family Foundation’s Program on Medicare Policy. “So the fact that there’s been year-after-year downward adjustments is fairly remarkable since they occurred after the ACA” was signed into law.
Obamacare Effect Linked to Lower Medical Cost Estimates - Bloomberg
ACA = still working to save lives and money
Source: Bloomberg
By Caroline Chen and Ian Katz Sep 5, 2014
Estimates of U.S. health-care spending for the next five years have been lowered by two federal agencies, and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is getting much of the credit.
U.S. health spending in 2019 will be $4 trillion, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said this week, or $500 billion less than the agency projected in 2010 when President Barack Obama’s health-care overhaul became law. That announcement followed by a week a report from the Congressional Budget Office lowering its five-year cost estimates.
Obamacare has been criticized by Republicans as costly and unsustainable. Now, four years after its arrival, the law’s mandated program cuts and the medical practices it encourages -- limiting unneeded procedures, and keeping people out of the hospital longer -- are cited by economists as key ingredients in trimming the nation’s medical bill. While the recession has had an influence on the cost slowdown, it doesn’t explain it all, according to policy analysts and the CBO.
“When the CBO goes back and revises their baseline, historically they’ve adjusted upwards,” said Tricia Neuman, director of the Kaiser Family Foundation’s Program on Medicare Policy. “So the fact that there’s been year-after-year downward adjustments is fairly remarkable since they occurred after the ACA” was signed into law.
Obamacare Effect Linked to Lower Medical Cost Estimates - Bloomberg
ACA = still working to save lives and money
It was passed by the Congress without the GOP. The GOP could not stop it and they didn't. The only reason there was a battle and it took so long is that the Democrats were very worried that the passing of Obamacare would cost them their jobs... and it did.
And if you like your health care plan you can keep it!
lol... FAIL
Oh dear...
The ObamaCare Escalator - WSJ