Derp. No it isn't. Look at the graph again. It's Moberg et al. Mann wasn't involved in that study.
Liberals now pulling away from Cons into majority territory
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Derp. No it isn't. Look at the graph again. It's Moberg et al. Mann wasn't involved in that study.
Do the research yourself.
What are you, an entitled elite?
I will give you hint....Global warming is global which means the globe is accumulating heat.
Don't explain that to him, it's a lefty plot to get money out of our pockets....wink wink....nudge nudge.
My guess is Colpy will now fade away from this one.
You are an idiot.
It is a waste of time trying to talk to you, as you have neither the intellect nor the maturity necessary to carry on a decent conversation.
Repeating yourself over and over and over is not an argument.
You have already withdrawn from the debate.
Mann was the originator of the hockey stick graph, his flawed model has been copied by other, either the stupid or the self-interested.
World Climate Report » Hockey Stick, 1998-2005, R.I.P.
No, do you even bother to check this stuff for yourself, or do you find someone elses interpretation and accept it at face value? Mann used principle component analysis to reconstruct past temperatures. Moberg used wavelet series. That probably doesn't mean anything to you, but they are not the same thing at all.
Who gives a royal yak fart over who they LIKE, it is who they will VOTE FOR that counts.
I like Mulcair better than Harper, but I wouldn't vote for him to be dog catcher.
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We saw exactly how significant leadership polls are in B.C. on May 14. Ask Adrian Dix! Danielle Smith may have a valid opinion too. -
You keep missing the obvious!!
Seriously, no offense BUT
A suicide rate 20 times the norm means there are some serious psychological problems going on.....with or without a control group.
And yes, they may have arrived at similar conclusions on GW from different data.....but their model is WRONG, as proven by the 17 year pause in GW.
No, I'm well aware that you don't know what you're talking about.
Derp. Of course it does, however... Mortality and morbidity is higher in cancer patients than the norm, therefore we shouldn't perform operations to remove tumors. Same stupid logic. Your good doctor's logic applied to cancer patients would mean, following his stellar non-sequitur, that removing tumors is not something the medical profession should do. Or, do you think now it would be wise to compare morbidity and mortality, to actual cancer patients who did not get the surgery, you know a control group, before saying the surgery is dangerous and ill conceived?
That's just going to skew things, right?
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Derp X2. Neither of those studies modeled the future Colpy. If you want to reconstruct the past temperature from proxies, just what the hell do you think there is to model into the future? The tree rings, the bore holes, the sedimentary layers, the dead micro-organisms...:lol: you think they modelled proxies in the future? :lol:
Why don't you actually read the papers instead of whatever cracked science blogs you get these foolish notions from. While you're at it, read up on the imbalance between energy in, and energy out at the top of the atmosphere. Disprove some physics while you're re-writing statistical methodology.
The Cons just get no respeck these days...
If Canada's on the right track, will voters give Harper credit for it?
Meanwhile, in other news, polling data shows the federal Conservatives are struggling to hold 30 per cent support.
What gives?
It’s long been argued that when people think the country’s going in the right direction, incumbents feel the voters’ love. But it may be time to question that thesis, or at least qualify it a lot more.
Over the last few years, we’ve seen several incumbent provincial governments re-elected in spite of uneasiness about current economic conditions. Many “mood” indicators foretold an NDP government in B.C., a Wildrose government in Alberta, a Tory government in Ontario, and longer spell of dismissal for the Liberals in Quebec. None of this panned out.
And now, in Ottawa, there’s further evidence that this connection is breaking down, in a different way.
Consider these numbers from our latest Abacus poll:
More people (43 per cent) say the country is heading in the right direction than say it is off on the wrong track (25 per cent). But the Conservatives are having trouble getting credit for what’s going right. As of now, 33 per cent approve of the job the Conservatives are doing, meaning at least 10 per cent of the electorate feels things are going well, regardless of, not because of, the Conservatives.
Even more striking, while 33 per cent “approve” of the government’s performance, only 19 per cent are convinced the Conservatives “have governed well enough to deserve re-election.” Put differently, 14 per cent of voters give the government a passing grade, but a barely passing grade.
Of the voters who think that Canada is heading in the right direction, 59 per cent are not planning on voting Conservative. As of now, 32 per cent would vote Liberal, 18 per cent for the NDP. While this could change, today the Tories are converting just 41 per cent of those who are happy with the way things are going.
There are several reasons why this is happening.
For years, Canadians have watched how interconnected our economy has become with that of the rest of the world. This government, possibly more than any before it, has been at pains to stress this fact. On the positive side for the incumbents, it means that when things go badly in the rest of the world, Canadians aren’t so quick to blame Ottawa. But it also means that as things recover in Europe and the U.S., Canadians can decide to credit good times here, with better times elsewhere.
Canadians have also come to believe that governments can’t wave a policy wand and make a sick economy well. Again, Conservatives more than any other party, preach that markets, not governments, are chiefly responsible for solving economic problems, providing economic momentum, creating jobs. It’s tricky to demand too much credit, when your overall economic philosophy is more hands off than interventionist.
A third factor is that Canadians care plenty about the economy, especially when times are bad, but when times improve, interest in other priorities is kindled. Some want more emphasis on the environment, others on health care, or pensions, or poverty. For many, tax cuts, a stronger military, and getting tough(er) on crime simply doesn’t excite them, the way it does the Conservative base.
Finally, a good number of centrist voters have felt themselves pushed away or excluded by the partisan and divisive language the government sometimes uses to advance its agenda. These are people who voted Conservative in the last two or three elections even though they do not consider themselves to be “right wing,” and distrust ideology generally. If the wolf no longer is at the door, and seeing leaders they like across the aisle, some of these voters are more tempted by, and perceive less economic risk, in the idea of a change.
Our latest polling numbers suggest a path to a fourth victory is possible for the Conservatives, but it would require rejuvenation – at the very least a change in tone and style. Between the 19 per cent who say “governed well enough” to deserve a fourth term and the 43 per cent who say the country’s going in the right direction, there are a lot of votes up for grabs.
A handful of ministers look like they are trying to change things up, but the central playbook seems to be more of what produced today’s gap between better economic times, and weaker government support. And a government which has spent hundreds of millions of dollars advertising its economic credentials, seems to be finding itself, well, talking to itself.
If Canada’s on the right track, will voters give Harper credit for it? - The Globe and Mail
If Canada's on the right track, will voters give Harper credit for it?
Meanwhile, in other news, polling data shows the federal Conservatives are struggling to hold 30 per cent support.
What gives?
It’s long been argued that when people think the country’s going in the right direction, incumbents feel the voters’ love. But it may be time to question that thesis, or at least qualify it a lot more.
Over the last few years, we’ve seen several incumbent provincial governments re-elected in spite of uneasiness about current economic conditions. Many “mood” indicators foretold an NDP government in B.C., a Wildrose government in Alberta, a Tory government in Ontario, and longer spell of dismissal for the Liberals in Quebec. None of this panned out.
And now, in Ottawa, there’s further evidence that this connection is breaking down, in a different way.
Consider these numbers from our latest Abacus poll:
More people (43 per cent) say the country is heading in the right direction than say it is off on the wrong track (25 per cent). But the Conservatives are having trouble getting credit for what’s going right. As of now, 33 per cent approve of the job the Conservatives are doing, meaning at least 10 per cent of the electorate feels things are going well, regardless of, not because of, the Conservatives.
Even more striking, while 33 per cent “approve” of the government’s performance, only 19 per cent are convinced the Conservatives “have governed well enough to deserve re-election.” Put differently, 14 per cent of voters give the government a passing grade, but a barely passing grade.
Of the voters who think that Canada is heading in the right direction, 59 per cent are not planning on voting Conservative. As of now, 32 per cent would vote Liberal, 18 per cent for the NDP. While this could change, today the Tories are converting just 41 per cent of those who are happy with the way things are going.
There are several reasons why this is happening.
For years, Canadians have watched how interconnected our economy has become with that of the rest of the world. This government, possibly more than any before it, has been at pains to stress this fact. On the positive side for the incumbents, it means that when things go badly in the rest of the world, Canadians aren’t so quick to blame Ottawa. But it also means that as things recover in Europe and the U.S., Canadians can decide to credit good times here, with better times elsewhere.
Canadians have also come to believe that governments can’t wave a policy wand and make a sick economy well. Again, Conservatives more than any other party, preach that markets, not governments, are chiefly responsible for solving economic problems, providing economic momentum, creating jobs. It’s tricky to demand too much credit, when your overall economic philosophy is more hands off than interventionist.
A third factor is that Canadians care plenty about the economy, especially when times are bad, but when times improve, interest in other priorities is kindled. Some want more emphasis on the environment, others on health care, or pensions, or poverty. For many, tax cuts, a stronger military, and getting tough(er) on crime simply doesn’t excite them, the way it does the Conservative base.
Finally, a good number of centrist voters have felt themselves pushed away or excluded by the partisan and divisive language the government sometimes uses to advance its agenda. These are people who voted Conservative in the last two or three elections even though they do not consider themselves to be “right wing,” and distrust ideology generally. If the wolf no longer is at the door, and seeing leaders they like across the aisle, some of these voters are more tempted by, and perceive less economic risk, in the idea of a change.
Our latest polling numbers suggest a path to a fourth victory is possible for the Conservatives, but it would require rejuvenation – at the very least a change in tone and style. Between the 19 per cent who say “governed well enough” to deserve a fourth term and the 43 per cent who say the country’s going in the right direction, there are a lot of votes up for grabs.
A handful of ministers look like they are trying to change things up, but the central playbook seems to be more of what produced today’s gap between better economic times, and weaker government support. And a government which has spent hundreds of millions of dollars advertising its economic credentials, seems to be finding itself, well, talking to itself.
If Canada’s on the right track, will voters give Harper credit for it? - The Globe and Mail
Actually, all things considered. it appears I am WAY ahead of you on these particular subjects.
Don't be ridiculous. Your analogy is absolutely without merit, nor does it in any way relate to what I said.
Society would have us treat transgendered people as normal, only requiring that their inner woman be set free by surgery..
Yet AFTER surgery, the suicide rate among transgenders is 20 times the norm.
FAIL.
Time to take a new tack.
Simple, unmitigated BULL****.
The earth has NOT warmed in 18 years.
WHY NOT???