US imposes new round of sanctions on Russia over Ukraine

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The USA getting involved with sanctions is reckless intervention in a region of the world they do not belong.
In terms of battlefield advantage the US is already in the position of being so involved they cannot back up and Russia is in the position where they only have to supply the 'nationalists' with the smallest amount of hardware and intelligence and the US is in a Vietnam they cannot walk away from.
As a parting gift to the world they could take down the current banking fraud that set all this up in the first place. Freeing up $750T in illegal usury might buy a few centuries of forgiveness. North America could use 20 years to rebuild what has been neglected for the last 50 years.

I'm not sure what industry you are in but a city like Calgary losing all funding might not be as bad as it first looks, that doesn't mean drastic changes wouldn't have to be made. City parks and any green area would be given to the homeless as garden areas, residential rooftop gardens would also be 'standard' as if you don't grow it you won't find it on your plate. What else would cow-town have to offer if the economy crashed. Gas still has to flow so any part of that would need people as well as the field workers as well but it isn't a center for grain or livestock so reasons for being there might be limited and 'the rest' move south where it should be cheaper to take care of them of they can wait and die in the cold when the furnaces don't work. Rather than strip the foothills of wood you sit on a beach as far south as you can go and not become 'overheated'.

Plan B was one sniper and two to carry the ammo and hold out till the food was gone and then die, like the ones who already ran out of food.

Plan C is make a house down the street lived in and 'my place' some partially burned out relic but the basement has broadband and the heating/cooling is via mother earth. Having to trek up and down a few ravines means by time would be short indeed which might not be all that bad if it got stupid out.

Let's say things cool down and nobody is melted it could still pay to be independent of 'cities' if possible. This would be an example of 'hiding in plain site' wher you find a lonely stretch of road and get permission to install 'a gas station'. That gets you into the area and you have a large supply of fuel (that could be easily hidden in an emergency) Since this is wilderness to be without services there must be some locations in that wilderness that you could set up something that has a small footprint and un-noticable until you are right there. In non apocalypse times you rent it out to people with ATV's but no parking pad. That is called digging in and Russia must be quite familiar with that by now. The US had the dirty '30's and had they known who was to blame the end might have been quite different. As it was the auctions required a person be there so the bigger friends of the former owner would stand beside anybody that was biding against him, in those times the farmer got his place back for pennies on the dollar. On-line bidding killed that advantage.

Besides all that 'we can survive and since a crash is coming the sooner the better 'speech Russia is going to keep taking in refugees and if they document all the stories and give all that to their legal department then stories can be presented to the UN that shows intervention is more than warranted. Since that would snowball it would be better for a 'reverse coup' happen. Use the roits in Parament as an 'excuse' to hold a national election but this time allow for a leadership that is a servant to the results of votes on bills using a referendum method and this way the will of the voters is recorded and that is the basis for discussion rather than who has the most money to bribe the politician you want in. The points used in the Crimean one could be followed just because one of the points was filing paperwork with the Govt under a language other than Ukraine. The same form would have the same blanks in any language and translation can be done on your phone or computer.

Just like dumping the dollar, a computer can make the exchange based on real-time exchange rates rather than what it might be worth a year down the road when the product actually changes hands. Insisting your country pay a middleman when they don't have to is equal to robbing them yourself and the consequences are usually the same when you get caught. Look at the Alberta Politician that spent just a little more than the public was willing to accept. That was her end and the investigation that is going on now because of that expense is exposing a lot more than the original incident. 'Thanks, Allison.' just won't seem the same on the X-mas cards she gets this year.

I don't know????
Obama’s quotes on Islam:
Those only means something if he was actually in charge. If you didn't write what is being read from the teleprompter then you aren't in charge. If all those 'quotes' were in speeches that he didn't write then are the quotes his or the (anonymous) person that wrote the speech. If it is from an interview on the the Daily Show then it is Obama's quote.

Get a 'this little piggy' button so he can see it. the it is viewed from a different angle and it says 'liar' in Vietnamese.
 

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O.K. then because he was born to a Muslim father, making him Muslim by birth... he should be sentenced to death for apostasy, under Muslim law.. ;)

I suddenly like Sharia Law.. in the USA.
Shouldn't the punishment go to his father as he couldn't keep a 'child in the flock'? Would that make him a 1st child as in some places that carries some extra benefits and responsibilities?

In the US right now you would be guilty of a conspiracy to harm a Govt official. Next month mentioning the size of his ears and pink elephants in the same sentence will bring the same, . . . or was that last month?

Even a kid on a bike is better to crash at the top of the hill when he first loses control than wait till it is at a much higher rate of speed and then crash. Sometimes the only thing you can do is be awake and wake up others because this is the biggest crash ever. I don't give that reason many points in the 'why it has to happen' category.

McCain smell like Bengay, he is past his prime. A talking head, closet Liberal... who married well.
Wow, she must have made out like a bandit. Second in 'worthy of rewards for duty to state' only to Arafat's widow.
 

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Big Deal!! Russia will start trading with China, Iran and India... or maybe this will push Russia, China and Iran to remove the US dollar as the world currency for oil.. thus killing the US economy.

Russia Holds "De-Dollarization Meeting": China, Iran Willing To Drop USD From Bilateral Trade



That's exactly what Iran did when the West imposed its stupid sanctions because of those non existing nukes. The idea just doesn't work but Obama is kissing up to some pro war types in order to counter the wimp factor propaganda card that the right wing is playing.
 

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What a chain of events. In Ukraine the people did vote to be part of Russia the reason
jobs. Naval shipyards provide great jobs in a poverty stricken part of the world in fact
the jobs are full time and on going.
The ethnic makeup is Russian and the industrial workingman regions are suspicious
of the West
Ukraine made a huge error turning its economy over to international interests when its
industrial infrastructure would be sold off to international interests the gains for the
eastern half of Ukraine would be a huge minus
Putin will hold firm and the Europeans will have different thoughts in the first week of
winter when there are fuel shortages
 

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US imposes new round of sanctions on Russia over Ukraine



The United States on Tuesday imposed further sanctions on the Russian Federation due to accusations concerning the Kremlin’s alleged ongoing involvement in the escalating crisis in Ukraine.

The US Department of the Treasury has placed new sanctions on three major Russian financial institutions: the Bank of Moscow, the Russian Agricultural Bank and VTB Bank OAO.

Source: http://rt.com/usa/176516-bank-moscow-financial-sanctions/
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Big Deal!! Russia will start trading with China, Iran and India... or maybe this will push Russia, China and Iran to remove the US dollar as the world currency for oil.. thus killing the US economy.

Russia Holds "De-Dollarization Meeting": China, Iran Willing To Drop USD From Bilateral Trade

China-Russia currency agreement further threatens U.S. dollar

India and China Dump US Dollar for GOLD in Iranian Oil Purchases - YouTube

Canadian billionaire businessman Ned Goodman predicts the end of the U.S. Dollar as the world's reserve currency. He says the transition out of the U.S. Dollar will become, "...quite ugly." He delivered the lecture at Cambridge House's Toronto Resource Investment Conference 2013 on Thursday, September 12, 2013.

Canadian billionaire predicts end of US Dollar as world's reserve currency - Ned Goodman lecture - YouTube

China Hoarding Gold Before U.S. Dollar Collapse - YouTube
The markets are really running from the US right now, eh? All that big money is dumb to the real financial news found on the-sky-is-falling blog sites.
 

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Would YOU invest in the USA??
A major crash is only a bad thing if you are at the helm when it happens. It is the rich that are looking for places to jump from rather than it being the people who just became 3% more poor.

Once the crash happens time for the dust to settle needs to happen first. In real terms the yearly money would be equally split between all the people. Kid's money would be in a trust that a Guardian could access for them. Current industry would be at zero but hopefully the ones that run the utilities and such will just show up and keep the machines running with the understanding that what they have on hand is as long as their job lasts. In that time an alternative that doesn't require the lines could be developed so when the grid finally fails people still have lights and all the modern devices we have today and the ability to repair almost anything. etc, etc. I doubt the big banks would advertize this aspect of them being fired.

If you can't fire a banker for being Jewish can you fire a Jewish banker because he is a lousy banker?

How about truth in advertising. Permanent Special, Road-kill chili burger

More unraveled things.
Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile” | Global Research



http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/742994
 
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The USD as the reserve currency does not affect our skill level. (in the where would the Arrow be today if not for US 'help'? The world isn't going to pay $1M/ ton for grain that may/may not be harvested.
NA has enough raw materials and enough of a labor force that the world could close the doors on us for 100 years and we wouldn't miss them a bit. To survive we have to be humble enough to redesign cities so the old dumps become the local pits for raw materials that when (machine sorted) the result is a variety of products that are available for further manufacturing processes. The technology is known, the machines have to be built, . . . . once.
If the 400M wanted to chip in like slaves then the project might be 10 years of construction efforts but the next 90 years the crops and fields are 'weatherproofed' so neither flood nor famine can happen and with the population being fed that is 90% of the struggle and 10% of the population working with the machines is all the effort that level of survival takes. The hobbies that develop are the birth place of the concepts that get further R&D in the real world. Only the transition period is uncomfortable.
 
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McCain smell like Bengay, he is past his prime. A talking head, closet Liberal... who married well.


LOL! Amazing how right wingers like Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, and McCain (and also McConell) are no longer "conservatives" to right wingers once they cease to be of any use to the far right delusionals.
 

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What a chain of events. In Ukraine the people did vote to be part of Russia the reason
jobs. Naval shipyards provide great jobs in a poverty stricken part of the world in fact
the jobs are full time and on going.
The ethnic makeup is Russian and the industrial workingman regions are suspicious
of the West
Ukraine made a huge error turning its economy over to international interests when its
industrial infrastructure would be sold off to international interests the gains for the
eastern half of Ukraine would be a huge minus
Putin will hold firm and the Europeans will have different thoughts in the first week of
winter when there are fuel shortages

6 Trillion cubic meters of nat gas is why Crimea was stolen. Russia is flat broke.

The Russian backed rebels are f-cking Soviets.

As the country,s infrastruture continues to decay and jobs remain nonexisitant they look back to their youth to see that things were better under the Soviet system. They feel that because the industry in Ukraine was Soviet built, it belongs to the Russian Soviets.

The Soviets never went away.
 

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A funny thing happened since The US unleashed Russian-economy-crushing sanctions... the "costs" appear to have weighed down US and European stocks as Russian stocks gained?

As a reminder since the initial sanctions in March, the S&P 500 is up just over 4% and Russian stocks up just over 13% - so much for Carney's "sell" order.

U.S. Economy DOWN, Stocks DOWN, GDP UP?
 

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6 Trillion cubic meters of nat gas is why Crimea was stolen. Russia is flat broke.

The Russian backed rebels are f-cking Soviets.

As the country,s infrastruture continues to decay and jobs remain nonexisitant they look back to their youth to see that things were better under the Soviet system. They feel that because the industry in Ukraine was Soviet built, it belongs to the Russian Soviets.

The Soviets never went away.



Gerard Depardieu moved to Russia to escape high taxes. If what you are saying is true, it proves how fcuked up it gets when a society refuses to impose taxes on the elites and allows them to engage in parasitism as others pay for society's problems.
 

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A funny thing happened on the way to the frame-up.
BUSTED! Kremlin DEBUNKS Kiev's FAKE MH17 Evidence Of Russian Involvement - YouTube

BUSTED! Kremlin DEBUNKS Kiev’s FAKE MH17 Evidence Of Russian Involvement | InvestmentWatch

http://rt.com/news/177552-eu-kiev-weapons-export/

I guess if you are going to dig yourself into a hole it might as well be a deep one.

U.S. Economy DOWN, Stocks DOWN, GDP UP?
It like the diver bouncing on the end of the board just before launch. You know the routine, no quevestions.
 

darkbeaver

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A funny thing happened on the way to the frame-up.
BUSTED! Kremlin DEBUNKS Kiev's FAKE MH17 Evidence Of Russian Involvement - YouTube

BUSTED! Kremlin DEBUNKS Kiev’s FAKE MH17 Evidence Of Russian Involvement | InvestmentWatch

http://rt.com/news/177552-eu-kiev-weapons-export/

I guess if you are going to dig yourself into a hole it might as well be a deep one.


It like the diver bouncing on the end of the board just before launch. You know the routine, no quevestions.

Russia has the oil and the gas and friends the USA is so bankrupt it will never recover. Now I ain't happy about that because one of the solutions will be North American Union. Which means open fascist rule instead of the hidden rule we live with now.