David Suzuki: Climate change is here

darkbeaver

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Haha, you couldn't even hold up your end of the deal on that link demand?

And no, nobody is complaining about "natural cyclical climate change", they are talking about climate change caused by humans.

My apolocheeze, I did not see that you had dropped links, thankyou I will review them now, with some whiskey and cannabis.

Lol, you really think that you and I are going to trade links and put this whole climate change issue to bed?

If you want something to read though, here are a few.

"The scientific consensus" no such state can exist, as it is oxymoronic, evidence trumps consensus, that is why science was adopted. fail, the article also mentions "anthropocentric climate change" a physical impossibility, we can exterminate half the life on the planet maybe, but that would have zero effect on the Sun which commands 100% of earths climate, and there has been no deviation from that % ever nor could there ever be.fail

Expert credibility in climate change
"Abstract
Although preliminary estimates from published literature and expert surveys suggest striking agreement among climate scientists on the tenets of anthropogenic climate change (ACC), the American public expresses substantial doubt about both the anthropogenic cause and the level of scientific agreement underpinning ACC. A broad analysis of the climate scientist community itself, the distribution of credibility of d"



Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change - Doran - 2011 - Eos, Transactions American Geophysical Union - Wiley Online Library


"The scientific consensus" no such state can exist, as it is oxymoronic, evidence trumps consensus, that is why science was adopted. fail, the article also mentions "anthropocentric climate change" a physical impossibility, we can exterminate half the life on the planet maybe, but that would have zero effect on the Sun which commands 100% of earths climate, and there has been no deviation from that % ever nor could there ever be.fail




"The scientific consensus" no such state can exist, as it is oxymoronic, evidence trumps consensus, that is why science was adopted. fail, the article also mentions "anthropocentric climate change" a physical impossibility, we can exterminate half the life on the planet maybe, but that would have zero effect on the Sun which commands 100% of earths climate, and there has been no deviation from that % ever nor could there ever be.fail

All three of your articles failed for the same reason, an supposition in the first sentence, consensus was drummed in all three as was the anthropocentric driver, also a supposition,
I spent most of my time with your links curseing Gullcoo Chrome.
I sAW NO VERIFIABLE SCIENTIFIC FACTS IN ANY OF THE ARTICLES NOR IN ANY OF THE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY EIGHT REFFERENCES. NEXT
 

BornRuff

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the Sun which commands 100% of earths climate

Is that a fact? I'm sure you can provide something to back that up, right?

If the sun commands 100% of climate, why does each planet in our solar system have such a different climate?

I sAW NO VERIFIABLE SCIENTIFIC FACTS IN ANY OF THE ARTICLES NOR IN ANY OF THE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY EIGHT REFFERENCES. NEXT

You must read really fast.
 

darkbeaver

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Even then, I'm sure they'd complain about the amount of fecal matter coming out of our a*ses.

I have read the IPCC recommendations on this criticle issue. We will be limited to one movement a week in order to realize adequet compaction to facilitate shipping at an fiscully sound rate designed to meet austerity targets. Science has reached a consensus on this stinking matter. The s h i t will be launched into space and properly disposed of on the moon. However they will need oil to lubricate the skids on the dung tankers, research money is desperatly needed in the wheel development project, we can;t afford another failure like ice railroads to Florida, if this programe is to work we need the effort of the whole planets people working together, unpaid of course, . I think I'll have another puff. Save earth and help the moon evolve soil and grow plants and chickens so we can move there someday and make it a better place to live.
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Is that a fact? I'm sure you can provide something to back that up, right?

If the sun commands 100% of climate, why does each planet in our solar system have such a different climate?



You must read really fast.


WHAT! How can you ask suck a question, they are diferent masses distances, composition etc. I don't read fast and I barely comphrehend english and I have Chromes disease. It's a lot of fun yammering on about the subject, I'm a skeptic now since I got to CC. When the sun comes up tomorrow stay in the light for a while, it's good for you.
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Praxius

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Is that a fact? I'm sure you can provide something to back that up, right?

If the sun commands 100% of climate, why does each planet in our solar system have such a different climate?

Um... maybe because each planet is further/closer to the sun than we are, plus different sizes & made up of different structures that react to that distance, etc.

If the sun was non-existent than all the planets would most likely be big ice blocks.... of course they wouldn't have anything to orbit either, let alone exist.

If the sun had more intensity or increase in mass by a crap tonne, pretty much every planet except the furthest away ones would burn to a crisp and any atmosphere they may have had would most likely be gone.

The planets and our climates all rely on the Sun.
 

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Um... maybe because each planet is further/closer to the sun than we are, plus different sizes & made up of different structures that react to that distance, etc.

If the sun was non-existent than all the planets would most likely be big ice blocks.... of course they wouldn't have anything to orbit either, let alone exist.

If the sun had more intensity or increase in mass by a crap tonne, pretty much every planet except the furthest away ones would burn to a crisp and any atmosphere they may have had would most likely be gone.

The planets and our climates all rely on the Sun.

I didn't say that they don't rely on the sun. But do you actually believe that the sun commands 100% of our climate?
 

darkbeaver

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I didn't say that they don't rely on the sun. But do you actually believe that the sun commands 100% of our climate?

You are having trouble coming to grips with science already, now the Sun is an enourmous anode in an insignificant arm of an insignifigant galaxy and we are a tiny cold ball of mud, what in hell are you doing here at CC talking to some of the planets finest scientific minds?
 

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I didn't say that they don't rely on the sun. But do you actually believe that the sun commands 100% of our climate?
I'd say more than 100% but 100% is everything already, unless you're a hockey player, then you can give 110%.
 

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David Suzuki: Climate change is here

BECAUSE WE ENJOY relatively pure air, clean water, and healthy food systems, Canadians sometimes take the environment for granted. Many scarcely blink if oil from a pipeline spills into a river, a forest is cleared for tar sands operations or agricultural land is fracked for gas. If Arctic ice melts and part of the Antarctic ice sheet collapses, well…they're far away.

Some see climate change as a distant threat, if they see it as a threat at all. But the scientific evidence is overwhelming: climate change is here, and unless we curb behaviours that contribute to it, it will get worse, putting our food, air, water, and security at risk. A recent White House report confirms the findings of this year's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Fifth Assessment report, and concludes global warming is a clear and present danger to the U.S.

"Climate change is not a distant threat, but is affecting the American people already," says White House science adviser John Holdren in a video about the report. "Summers are longer and hotter, with longer periods of extended heat. Wildfires start earlier in the spring and continue later into the fall. Rain comes down in heavier downpours. People are experiencing changes in the length and severity of allergies. And climate disruptions to water resources and agriculture have been increasing."

Recognizing the problem's severity is a start, but whether the U.S. will actually do anything is another question. Action to curb climate change is constantly stalled—thanks to the powerful fossil fuel industry, political and media denial, extensive fossil fuel-based infrastructure and citizen complacency.

But at least the U.S. and its president have unequivocally called for action. It's disturbing that political leaders in Canada—a northern country already feeling impacts, with a long coastline particularly vulnerable to rising sea levels—ignore the issue in their drive to make Canada a petro-power. Our government prefers to spend taxpayers' money to support the fossil fuel industry with advertising campaigns and billions of dollars in subsidies. A recent New York Times ad, worth US$207,000, touts oil sands and pipelines as "environmentally responsible." Despite opposition from communities throughout B.C. and the rest of Canada, including many First Nations, approval of the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline project is expected next month.

Perceived economic benefits (mostly short-term) trump the needs of all Canadians and their children and grandchildren for clean air and water, healthy food and a stable climate. Droughts, floods, water shortages, insect-plagued forests, extreme weather events, rising sea levels, and melting glaciers don't matter as much as getting the oil, gas and coal out of the ground and sold as quickly as possible.

B.C. once showed promise with climate policies such as a carbon tax. Now the government in my home province is also pinning its hopes on the fossil fuel market, fracking our way to "prosperity" at the expense of long-term human and economic health, farmland and climate.

How can we allow governments and industry to continue leading us down this destructive path?

Some people say we must choose between the human-created economy and the natural environment—an absurd argument on many levels, and a false dichotomy. Even within the current flawed economic paradigm, it's far more financially sound to invest in renewable energy and diversification than in a dying industry.

Others, often driven by fossil fuel industry propaganda, doubt the evidence and question the credentials of thousands of scientists worldwide studying the issue.

The IPCC report involved hundreds of scientists and experts worldwide who analyzed the latest peer-reviewed scientific literature and other relevant materials on climate change. The White House report was overseen by 13 government agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency, NASA, Department of the Interior, Department of Defense and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. It was written by close to 300 scientists and experts and reviewed by numerous others, including the National Academy of Sciences. It was also vetted by groups ranging from oil companies to environmental organizations. As an article on Desmog Blog points out, "If anything, this report is conservative in its findings."

The IPCC and White House reports are clear: solutions are available. But the longer we delay the more difficult and expensive they will be to implement. We can't just sit by and do nothing.

David Suzuki: Climate change is here | Georgia Straight, Vancouver's News & Entertainment Weekly
When susuki sells some of his houses and quits jetting around the world we might start to take him seriously. Or not due to his track record.
 

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I didn't say that they don't rely on the sun. But do you actually believe that the sun commands 100% of our climate?

Yes.... Without the sun and without our specific orbit around the sun, there would be no seasons, no warmth. You can have a powerful computer do whatever you want, but without power or the right power you won't get anything done.

It's the chicken before the egg.
 

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Yes.... Without the sun and without our specific orbit around the sun, there would be no seasons, no warmth. You can have a powerful computer do whatever you want, but without power or the right power you won't get anything done.

It's the chicken before the egg.

I think you might be being serious here, but pretty hard to tell online.

Obviously we need the sun, but it is clearly not the only thing that determines our climate.

Why do you think temperatures on the moon are about +100 in the day and about -150 at night, but here on earth it might vary by 5-10 degrees from day to night?
 

darkbeaver

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Yes.... Without the sun and without our specific orbit around the sun, there would be no seasons, no warmth. You can have a powerful computer do whatever you want, but without power or the right power you won't get anything done.

It's the chicken before the egg.

Now you've gone and opened that box, we're just going to cycle for a while pondering the chicken egg thing, can't do it, I only got a small bottle of whiskey, maybe a few words, the sun is the chicken the earth is an egg the hens nest is the solar system, the sun did lay those planetary eggs as sure as s h i t. Blobs of plasma spit off old Sol when the line load got pumped and more surface area was required to carry said load ,suns bifurcate thereby increasing the surface area and load limit, zap you got a planet, bennet pinch, Z pinch gets real hot just like arc welding spatter, spin is imparted to any added celestial objects by the same birkland currents, spin is electrical, charge travels in helical tendrils, many many parsecs at light speed and then some the eggs eventually hatch and out pop[s monkeys several weeks later a constitution is written foreverafter we ignore it, all the while searching for Sunlight, ni ce warm rocks to lay on beside then edenic
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I think you might be being serious here, but pretty hard to tell online.

Obviously we need the sun, but it is clearly not the only thing that determines our climate.

Why do you think temperatures on the moon are about +100 in the day and about -150 at night, but here on earth it might vary by 5-10 degrees from day to night?

I can't believe you're questioning ione of the finest scientific minds here, Praxius is a dependable source of validated information. What else do you think affects climate quite as much as the nsun does? If you mention that gas I will press the red button.
 

BornRuff

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I can't believe you're questioning ione of the finest scientific minds here, Praxius is a dependable source of validated information. What else do you think affects climate quite as much as the nsun does? If you mention that gas I will press the red button.

Atmosphere.

What is that made of btw?
 

darkbeaver

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n Charge of course, otherwise it could not suspend gas nor support birds. Zee atmosphere is suspended in an electrical field, like your mind. I have to urinate I'll be back in a few minutes.
 

BornRuff

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n Charge of course, otherwise it could not suspend gas nor support birds. Zee atmosphere is suspended in an electrical field, like your mind. I have to urinate I'll be back in a few minutes.

This is your electric universe thing again, right?

In your electric universe, does the composition of that atmosphere have an effect on anything?
 

darkbeaver

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This is your electric universe thing again, right?

In your electric universe, does the composition of that atmosphere have an effect on anything?
Yes, conductance, potential and rainbows, CO2 might mas well be inert, it plays a nbit part in planetary physics. .08 max CO2 at present, fork all no consequences whatever as far as climate goes electrical current rules, science triumps alarmist nuts plug the ditches on the roqad to hell, good even I'm saturated, need sleep, have to drink tomorrow, up at dawn forthe chiockens of course pleASURE SPEAKING WITH YOU ANONIMUS NICE PERSON YOU.
 
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