Tiny Tim Was Right! The Ice Caps Are Melting!

Walter

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I don't think that's going to matter as much now that we know that the west antarctic ice sheet are undergoing breakup. The denial crowd has gotten a lot of mileage out of the "antarctic gaining ice" thing for some time, but this mutes that argument.
So the Antarctic is not gaining ice even though it is.
 

Zipperfish

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So the Antarctic is not gaining ice even though it is.

The antarctic is gaining ice. The water is warmer which is the critical factor that will lead to breakup of the glaciers. So the argument that the antarctic is gaining ice is no longer an efefctive excuse for teh so-called skeptics.
 

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The antarctic is gaining ice. The water is warmer which is the critical factor that will lead to breakup of the glaciers. So the argument that the antarctic is gaining ice is no longer an efefctive excuse for teh so-called skeptics.
So more ice means it's warmer even when there is more ice in the summer. OK, got it. I've noticed more ice in the summer around here, too.
 

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The antarctic is gaining ice. The water is warmer which is the critical factor that will lead to breakup of the glaciers. So the argument that the antarctic is gaining ice is no longer an efefctive excuse for teh so-called skeptics.

This statement is so ridiculous.

Another example of "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUU!"

It's no wonder why you responded with this.
 

coldstream

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Yes that's how it works coldstream. At the end of the day all the scientists get together and figure out new lies to tell everyone. Just for sh*ts and giggles. Or the money. We all know that reserach scientists make incomes several orders of magnitude more than oil company CEOs.

The internal consistency of your argument is melting faster than the arctic sea ice. :lol:

That is how it works. And if you don't submit to an imposed bureaucratic orthodoxy.. you will find yourself 'frozen' out of appointments, tenure, research grants, and media acknowlegement. You are only hearing from those who've been 'absorbed' by the Borg.. resistance is futile.

Calling them scientists is joke.. they are 'priests'.. in an occult spiritualism. There is NO science to AGW... there are only devotees. It's more worrying because this particular cult is driven by the axioms of radical environmentalism .. and its agendas to depopulate the earth to bring on an eco-utopia. There is no more sure way to do that than to limit the essential life providing element of carbon.. the mainstay of energy, transportation, industry and agriculture... and to bring on the economic collapse that this would foment.

They are insane of course. But they have been crafty enough to completely put the educational and media establishments under their power and control. Still any person with an independent intellect.. who doesn't capitulate to some high sounding but empty rhetoric.. will see that they are dealing with LIES and LIARS.
 
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Zipperfish

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That is how it works. And if you don't submit to an imposed bureaucratic orthodoxy.. you will find yourself 'frozen' out of appointments, tenure, research grants, and media acknowlegement. You are only hearing from those who've been 'absorbed' by the Borg.. resistance is futile.

I've gone through all the science myself and come up with my own conclusions. The logic is pretty irresistable.


Calling them scientists is joke.. they are 'priests'.. in an occult
spiritualism. There is NO science to AGW... there are only devotees. It's more
worrying because this particular cult is driven by the axioms of radical
environmentalism .. and its agendas to depopulate the earth to bring on an
eco-utopia. There is no more sure way to do that than to limit the essential
life providing element of carbon.. the mainstay of energy and agriculture... and
to bring on the economic collapse the this would foment.

They are insane of course. But they have been crafty enough to completely put the educational and media establishments under their power and control. Still any person wilth an independent intellect.. who doesn't capitulate to some high sounding but empty rhetoric.. will see that they are dealing with LIES and LIARS

In order to fault the science, you'd have to put some kind of logical argument together, not this fulmination. I read stuff like this all the time from the so-called skeptics and wonder how it is that I'm the alarmist. :lol:
 

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If all of the ice was to melt at the poles, the National Academy of Sciences predicts the sea level rise approximately 60 meters — about 200 feet. That would result in “storm surges more likely to cause severe impacts” and “coastal inundation.”
If the oceans have already risen some 400ft from maximinum ice the if that extra ice is evenly divided the ice in the south would be 2X what it is now. Would that come only as depth or would it also expand outwards at the same rate as ice in the Arctic forms, as fresh water due to salt-water freezing to a depth of less than 10 meters. Ice 2 miles deep on land would have 75% of that submerged once you got into the deep ocean water, it is more likely it was much thinner and covered a much greater area to get that 400 ft drop in where the beaches were back in that era.
360,000,000 sq km x 0.060 = 21,600,000 cubic km of ice pile into the landmass of Antarctica. 14M sq km which about 1.5 km higher than it is now. Using the slope that causes it to flow it should be able to determining how far out the icepak would go if the height were increased by that amount.
 

Twila

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I think I'm going to go with the 97% of scientists on Climate change.

 

Tonington

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I think I'm going to go with the 97% of scientists on Climate change.

Neil Degrasse Tyson on Global Warming - YouTube

For your viewing pleasure, check out the video at the link:
Watch John Oliver and Bill Nye’s brilliant take-down of climate change deniers - Salon.com

:lol:

"But perhaps the most difficult question is this: How can you make serious political decisions based on scientific likelihoods when politics thrives on the feeding of ideological certainties?"

Michael Gerson: Americans’ aversion to science carries a high price - The Washington Post

That's the million dollar question. I'm sure the public health agencies would love to know how to combat the likes of Jenny McCarthy too. Skeptics don't like being compared to other conspiracy theorists. It's funny to see the same people pointing fingers at Mann for being overly litigious doing the same things themselves.
Climate Deniers Intimidate Journal into Retracting Paper that Finds They Believe Conspiracy Theories
 

Tonington

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Twila, others have looked at abstracts from journals and found similar findings (if you consider 1 in 1000 abstracts rejecting the mainstream views to be similar to 97%... :lol:). I'd encourage anyone who thinks it's bunk that there is scientific consensus on human activity and climate change to check for themselves. It's never a bad idea to check what the scientists are actually saying, instead of trusting some bloggers...
 

Twila

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Which is also yet another myth Twila. However they got you to believe and that is just one more pave stone to their ultimate goal.

I'm a fan of Neil DeGrasse Tyson. I don't think he's lying about this.

I think you might be speaking politics. I'm thinking science.
 

EagleSmack

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I'm a fan of Neil DeGrasse Tyson. I don't think he's lying about this.

I think you might be speaking politics. I'm thinking science.

Give your head a shake... it's politics and $$$... lots and lots of $$$.

Believe what you wish, the religion needs followers like you.

At the end the priests are always asked...

"What can we do to stop it?"

"Cap and Trade, Taxes and fees... more and more taxes and fees."

(psst... Neil Tyson is an astrophysicist... not a climate scientist... even Tonington would tell you his opinion means little... unless of course he is a member of the religion.)
 

Twila

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Give your head a shake... it's politics and $$$... lots and lots of $$$.

Believe what you wish, the religion needs followers like you.

At the end the priests are always asked...

"What can we do to stop it?"

"Cap and Trade, Taxes and fees... more and more taxes and fees."

I'm an Atheist.

It shouldn't worry you what I believe. I've not got any money do make a difference for either side.

And I love animals.
 

Zipperfish

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Give your head a shake... it's politics and $$$... lots and lots of $$$.

There certainly is alot at stake, including money. But it's rather naive to assume that just the AGW proponents are motivated by money, whereas all the so-called skeptics are acting purely out of the goodness of their hearts. There are vested interests on both sides of the equation.

Believe what you wish, the religion needs followers like you.

Way to convince someone to come around to your way of thinking! :lol:
 

EagleSmack

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I'm an Atheist.

It shouldn't worry you what I believe. I've not got any money do make a difference for either side.

And I love animals.

Then you've found your religion!

It does not worry me what you believe. You have some money and you will be called on to sacrifice for your beliefs if the ultimate goal of eco-utopia is reached.

I love animals too... some are very tasty.

There certainly is alot at stake, including money. But it's rather naive to assume that just the AGW proponents are motivated by money, whereas all the so-called skeptics are acting purely out of the goodness of their hearts. There are vested interests on both sides of the equation.

Not naive at all. At one time I actually believed that the motivation was more than money. But after following the conferences it all came down to money. Each and every solution is the raiding of western nation bank accounts and wealth distribution.



Way to convince someone to come around to your way of thinking! :lol:
Twila is already lost as I am sure you are. :)

Oh and in addition... under alarmists plans... western industries CAN continue business as usual providing they pay for the foot print. Oh and the world's second largest economy can continue as usual without paying a dime. Now how does that stop the climate from changing?
 
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